SDA

klutedavid said:

Chronicles 31:3
He also appointed the king’s portion of his goods for the burnt offerings, namely, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths and for the new moons and for the fixed festivals

This is a common statement that Paul is quoting and word for word. Once again, 'the sabbaths'!

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klutedavid said:

Did Jesus end her sabbaths, you bet He did.

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mmksparbud said:

Yes--but never the 10 commandments which are in the Ark which represented the very throne of God in heaven. He just changed where He wrote them now.

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stephen pollard said:

If he wrote them in your heart and mind, why did you not know they were there until you read what is written in ink?

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mmksparbud said:

And who says that is what I did---how did you learn as a child? When did they get written in your heart---or did you first read about them and then decided what to do about them?
There are many things that we know, even as ignorant children, that we shouldn't do that.

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mmksparbud said:

And who says that is what I did---how did you learn as a child? When did they get written in your heart---or did you first read about them and then decided what to do about them?
There are many things that we know, even as ignorant children, that we shouldn't do that.

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mmksparbud said:

Of course there is a new covenant! I didn't say there isn't. I also said Jesus is the one that makes obedience of any kind possible. It is He living in us that does it. What you don't seem to understand is that whether they are written in the heart or not--and I know that they are written in the heart--they are to be kept. The difference is that now Jesus is workig through us to that end. But you can't break them, be unrepentant and say they were written in my heart--I just didn't keep them. Bottom line---one way or another---you can't unrepentantly break any of them and be in the presence of God.
If you wish to not keep the 4th as written, and prefer the 1st day --that is up to you. It is my preference to do as He says--it is written in my heart to do so.

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stephen pollard said:

The righteousness Jesus provides is faith in him. No one ever was or ever will be truly righteous by obeying the Ten Commandments, that law, as part of a law of righteousness in now ended. God puts the desire in believers hearts not to covet, steal, lie, commit adultery etc. For what is written in that law is holy, just and good, and what is holy, just and goods was not abolished. There is nothing legalistic about a believer not wanting to commit adultery in their heart. If only love God and love your neighbour were in your heart, if you stole something for example you could only be conscious you sinned by not loving as you should. I doubt any Christian would take that view
Believe on Jesus and love others will bring us to live in accordance with what is placed in our hearts by the power of the Holy Spirit, absolutely.

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1stcenturylady said:

Yes, I think I've said that a few times already. Don't know if you are correcting me, or agreeing with me.

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Natsumi Lam said:

Why do some on CF call it a cult?

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Saint Steven said:

From my perspective the SDA is a cult, based on three facts.

1) They view themselves to be the one and only true remnant church.
2) Their doctrine is based on the writings of Ellen G. White. Which they hold in near equal value to the Bible. And the lens through which the Bible is interpreted. Very dangerous.
3) They are "sheep stealers". They seek to draw their members from other Christian churches.

Jesus came to seek and to save the lost.
The SDA has come to seek and to enslave the saved.
And to steal their grace-based salvation by replacing it with a works-based system.

That is what they are doing on this forum. I stand against this.

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LoveGodsWord said:

Hmm another good example of lies and misinformation. So sad for you.

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Saint Steven said:

From my perspective the SDA is a cult, based on three facts.

1) They view themselves to be the one and only true remnant church.
2) Their doctrine is based on the writings of Ellen G. White. Which they hold in near equal value to the Bible. And the lens through which the Bible is interpreted. Very dangerous.
3) They are "sheep stealers". They seek to draw their members from other Christian churches.

Jesus came to seek and to save the lost.
The SDA has come to seek and to enslave the saved.
And to steal their grace-based salvation by replacing it with a works-based system.

That is what they are doing on this forum. I stand against this.

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mmksparbud said:

You have many things that are wrong.

We are not a cult by any definition.

We do believe we are a remnant church--we do not believe that we are the only ones that will be saved.

We do not get our doctrines from EGW but from the bible. Not one is not bible based. We believe in her teachings. The lens through which the bible is interpreted is the Holy Spirit.

As for sheep stealers---LOL! We tell the whole world what our believes are--which includes everyone--others come to us to find our believes, we do not force it on them, we do not hogtie and kidnapped anyone! We have rented churches from other denominations, and we have rented our churches to other denominations. There is an agreement to not proselytize each other. Everyone is always curious about each other. We learn about them, they learn about us. No one can "steal" another believer! Just exactly where does your church get your members---are they all born and raised in your own church and no one from any other denomination ever comes to you? We are in every single country on the planet---most of our over 20 million members are outside of the US. We hold open seminars all over the world and USA and anyone is welcome--do you refuse those who come to you from other churches??

We are all here to seek and save the lost. It is up to them what to believe.
We all believe we are saved by grace--and yes, we believe God's law is written in the heart--but it is His law wherever He writes it--just a matter of where!

You are entitled to your opinion---I just prefer that those opinions be based on accurate information!

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Saint Steven said:

Thanks for your reply. Obvious bias on both sides of the fence here.

You admit that you are the remnant. With the caveat that you are not the only ones that will be saved. I think that supports my point.

You claim that your doctrines are not as seen through the lens of EGW, but rather the Holy Spirit. Yet you claim she is a prophet, thus inspired by the Holy Spirit. I think that also supports my point. That's two.

My observation is that Adventists are about the business of calling the remnant out of "Babylon" (the apostate Christian Churches). To do this, they must make Christians dissatisfied with their current church, thus evangelizing those in the church. That's three.

Though these points may seem invalid from the inside view, they are very valid from an outside view.

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From my perspective the SDA is a cult, based on three facts.

1) They view themselves to be the one and only true remnant church.
2) Their doctrine is based on the writings of Ellen G. White. Which they hold in near equal value to the Bible. And the lens through which the Bible is interpreted. Very dangerous.
3) They are "sheep stealers". They seek to draw their members from other Christian churches.

Jesus came to seek and to save the lost.
The SDA has come to seek and to enslave the saved.
And to steal their grace-based salvation by replacing it with a works-based system.

That is what they are doing on this forum. I stand against this.

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mmksparbud said:

Those who can't tolerate a wall of text (me!) will bypass most of this!
It is a study on certain words--put them all together.
Destruction: end of existing
Exodus 22:20 "He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed.
Numbers 21:3 The LORD heard the voice of Israel and delivered up the Canaanites; then they utterly destroyed them and their cities. Thus the name of the place was called Hormah.
Deuteronomy 2:34 "So we captured all his cities at that time and utterly destroyed the men, women and children of every city. We left no survivor.
Deuteronomy 3:6 "We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city.
Joshua 2:10 "For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red Sea before you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who were beyond the Jordan, to Sihon and Og, whom you utterly destroyed.
Joshua 6:21 They utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.
Joshua 8:26 For Joshua did not withdraw his hand with which he stretched out the javelin until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai.
Joshua 10:1 Now it came about when Adoni-zedek king of Jerusalem heard that Joshua had captured Ai, and had utterly destroyed it (just as he had done to Jericho and its king, so he had done to Ai and its king), and that the inhabitants of Gibeon had made peace with Israel and were within their land,
Joshua 10:28 Now Joshua captured Makkedah on that day, and struck it and its king with the edge of the sword; he utterly destroyed it and every person who was in it He left no survivor Thus he did to the king of Makkedah just as he had done to the king of Jericho.
Joshua 10:35 They captured it on that day and struck it with the edge of the sword; and he utterly destroyed that day every person who was in it, according to all that he had done to Lachish.
Joshua 10:37 They captured it and struck it and its king and all its cities and all the persons who were in it with the edge of the sword. He left no survivor, according to all that he had done to Eglon. And he utterly destroyed it and every person who was in it.
Joshua 10:39 He captured it and its king and all its cities, and they struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed every person who was in it. He left no survivor. Just as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir and its king, as he had also done to Libnah and its king.
Joshua 10:40 Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded.
Joshua 11:12 Joshua captured all the cities of these kings, and all their kings, and he struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed them; just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded.
Joshua 11:21 Then Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab and from all the hill country of Judah and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities.
Judges 1:17 Then Judah went with Simeon his brother, and they struck the Canaanites living in Zephath, and utterly destroyed it. So the name of the city was called Hormah.
1 Samuel 15:8 He captured Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
1 Samuel 15:9 But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were not willing to destroy them utterly; but everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.
1 Samuel 15:15 Saul said, "They have brought them from the Amalekites, for the people spared the best of the sheep and oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; but the rest we have utterly destroyed."
1 Samuel 15:20 Then Saul said to Samuel, "I did obey the voice of the LORD, and went on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and have brought back Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
1 Samuel 15:21 "But the people took some of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the choicest of the things devoted to destruction, to sacrifice to the LORD your God at Gilgal."
1 Kings 20:42 He said to him, "Thus says the LORD, 'Because you have let go out of your hand the man whom I had devoted to destruction, therefore your life shall go for his life, and your people for his people.'"
1 Chronicles 4:41 These, recorded by name, came in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and attacked their tents and the Meunites who were found there, and destroyed them utterly to this day, and lived in their place, because there was pasture there for their flocks.
2 Chronicles 31:1 Now when all this was finished, all Israel who were present went out to the cities of Judah, broke the pillars in pieces, cut down the Asherim and pulled down the high places and the altars throughout all Judah and Benjamin, as well as in Ephraim and Manasseh, until they had destroyed them all. Then all the sons of Israel returned to their cities, each to his possession.
2 Chronicles 32:14 'Who was there among all the gods of those nations which my fathers utterly destroyed who could deliver his people out of my hand, that your God should be able to deliver you from my hand?
Isaiah 34:2 For the LORD'S indignation is against all the nations, And His wrath against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to slaughter.
Isaiah 60:12 "For the nation and the kingdom which will not serve you will perish, And the nations will be utterly ruined.
Zechariah 14:11 People will live in it, and there will no longer be a curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
Devoured:
Mat_13:4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Mar_4:4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.
Luk_8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
Luk_15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Rev_20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Exo_15:7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.
Stubble
Exo_15:7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.
Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa_33:11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.
Isa_47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Joe_2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Oba_1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Nah_1:10 For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

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