Never compromise with evil.

Not me · Oct 5, 2018

I have often thought of the statement;

“you should never compromise with evil”

is this a true and accurate one? Is choosing which is the less of two evils, compromising with evil? I don’t think so??

So I’m thinking that the statement “we should never compromise with evil”, should be a maxim in the believers life. We should by all means, at whatever the cost, never ever compromise with evil. So as scripture says we can “be perfect as He is perfect.” Now, if I can just be a “do’er of the Word”

Much love in Christ, Not me

Serving Zion · Oct 5, 2018

Proverbs 25:26 and James 4:4 go along those lines, as with Romans 12:1-2 and Mark 8:34-38.

Greg J. · Oct 5, 2018

But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.” (Joshua 24:15, 1984 NIV)

“ ‘I brought you to the land of the Amorites who lived east of the Jordan. They fought against you, but I gave them into your hands. I destroyed them from before you, and you took possession of their land. (Joshua 24:8, 1984 NIV)

Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. (Exodus 34:12, 1984 NIV)

The treaty the Israelites made with the Gideons had the result of causing Jews to turn away from the Lord, and whenever Israel went out to fight, the hand of the LORD was against them to defeat them. (Judges 2:8-15)

Also consider that we are commanded not to be yoked with unbelievers but that we are to take Jesus' yoke.

Not me · Oct 6, 2018

Serving Zion said:
Proverbs 25:26 and James 4:4 go along those lines, as with Romans 12:1-2 and Mark 8:34-38.

Thanks for the scriptures, really like the the in Proverbs!

Greg J. said:
But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.” (Joshua 24:15, 1984 NIV)

“ ‘I brought you to the land of the Amorites who lived east of the Jordan. They fought against you, but I gave them into your hands. I destroyed them from before you, and you took possession of their land. (Joshua 24:8, 1984 NIV)

Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. (Exodus 34:12, 1984 NIV)

The treaty the Israelites made with the Gideons had the result of causing Jews to turn away from the Lord, and whenever Israel went out to fight, the hand of the LORD was against them to defeat them. (Judges 2:8-15)

Also consider that we are commanded not to be yoked with unbelievers but that we are to take Jesus' yoke.

Thanks for your response, loved the scriptures.

Much love in Christ, Not me

Martyr's Crown · Oct 6, 2018

Romans 12:17-21

Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Also a part which I am a lot reminded of; though I cannot find it anywhere on google right now, I know for sure I have read it in the old testament, and still I am amazed by it. Because righteous people who loved God during the time of the old testament, they had the same Christ-like mentality as believers in Jesus Christ have during the time of the new testament and during today!

In that bible verse(s) part it was written that when the unrighteous/wicked did evil the righteous didn't rejoice about this, but they didn't rejoice when bad things happened to the unrighteous/wicked either.

Showing that those who truly love God whole-heartedly, will have no joy in anything which is bad and sinful. This was the same during the ancient times/old testament times as well as it was during the new testament times and during today. Same way as God is seen as loving and merciful throughout the whole bible, both in the old testament as well as in the new testament. He Never changed! And He will never change!

God is Love, yet He is also a righteous God, and judges according to what is good and after His own Will! When He takes vengance it isn't seen the same way as how it is seen and done through human eyes, God will avenge in a right and good way! He is also a jealous God, yet, His jealousy is still rightfully seen, and based out from His love for us! His deep longing for a personal relationship with each one of us! What a privilegie we are given, that we are allowed having a close and personal relationship with God! That He desires for this! This is very special!

God is full of Love for each one of us! And He also has no favourites!

"For God does not show favoritism". (Romans 2:11)

We are all seen as equal in His eyes, and all are loved the same way! We are all equally precious in His eyes!

Not me · Oct 6, 2018

Crowned Princess said:
Romans 12:17-21

Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Also a part which I am a lot reminded of; though I cannot find it anywhere on google right now, I know for sure I have read it in the old testament, and still I am amazed by it. Because righteous people who loved God during the time of the old testament, they had the same Christ-like mentality as believers in Jesus Christ have during the time of the new testament and during today!

In that bible verse(s) part it was written that when the unrighteous/wicked did evil the righteous didn't rejoice about this, but they didn't rejoice when bad things happened to the unrighteous/wicked either.

Showing that those who truly love God whole-heartedly, will have no joy in anything which is bad and sinful. This was the same during the ancient times/old testament times as well as it was during the new testament times and during today. Same way as God is seen as loving and merciful throughout the whole bible, both in the old testament as well as in the new testament. He Never changed! And He will never change!

God is Love, yet He is also a righteous God, and judges according to what is good and after His own Will! When He takes vengance it isn't seen the same way as how it is seen and done through human eyes, God will avenge in a right and good way! He is also a jealous God, yet, His jealousy is still rightfully seen, and based out from His love for us! His deep longing for a personal relationship with each one of us! What a privilegie we are given, that we are allowed having a close and personal relationship with God! That He desires for this! This is very special! God is full of Love for each one of us! And He also has no favourites!

"For God does not show favoritism". (Romans 2:11)

We are all seen as equal in His eyes, and all are loved the same way! We are all equally precious in His eyes!

What a beautiful read. May God richly bless you with a increase of Himself in your innermost being.

Much love in Christ, Not me

Martyr's Crown · Oct 6, 2018

Not me said:
What a beautiful read. May God richly bless you with a increase of Himself in your innermost being.

Much love in Christ, Not me

Thank you! I am also happy you enjoyed reading this.

I wish to have more of Him. More of Him(Jesus Christ), less of me!

God bless you abundantly too!

Not me · Oct 6, 2018

Crowned Princess said:
Thank you! I am also happy you enjoyed reading this. I wish to have more of Him. More of Him(Jesus Christ), less of me!

God bless you abundantly too!

Haaaa! Again I broke out in a big smile when I read “all of Him and nothing of me”. That is one of my prayers/saying that I say to the Lord quite often. That He would answer your hearts cry (and mine) that it might truly be “all of Him and nothing of us”.

Blessings to you my fellow striver after Christ, Not me.

Edit;

Another saying of mine that you might appreciate is;

“When Jesus died, I died, that I might be a new creation. created in righteousness, by righteousness, for righteousness. Lord God cause righteousness to reign in your creation, and I am your creation”

thought you might like this?

Much love in Christ, Not me

hedrick · Oct 6, 2018

The idea of never compromising is what was behind pacifism and non-involvement in civic affairs. Most Christians have concluded that sometimes we have to pick the lesser evil, and thus are willing to kill to defend the innocent, and vote for people who are not morally pure.

Martyr's Crown · Oct 6, 2018

Haaaa! Again I broke out in a big smile when I read “all of Him and nothing of me”. That is one of my prayers/saying that I say to the Lord quite often. That He would answer your hearts cry (and mine) that it might truly be “all of Him and nothing of us”.

That part I lined under there of what you wrote, is something I agree on as well. We are nothing without Him! We need Him to function well, as well as to live! It should always be all about Him alone, yet in this world we are taught to think of ourselves. It is all about our own choices, our own lives, what we want! Still; We are given a free will, and we can choose whether we want to live for ourselves or living for God! Though this life on earth may seem pleasent to be living a life as you choose based from your own choices and desires, in the end it will only be seen as empty pursuits when we are all standing before God the Father during Judgement's Day!

Blessings to you my fellow striver after Christ, Not me.

Blessings back to you as well in Christ Jesus!

Edit;

Another saying of mine that you might appreciate is;

“When Jesus died, I died, that I might be a new creation. created in righteousness, by righteousness, for righteousness. Lord God cause righteousness to reign in your creation, and I am your creation”

thought you might like this?

It is a nice way of seeing it, yes.

Much love in Christ, Not me

Much Love in Christ Jesus back at you!

Brotherly Spirit · Oct 6, 2018

On the surface that seems absolutely right. But doesn't God pick the lesser of evils among us? None of us are pure without spots and often are sinful even when it wasn't our intention. Yet I wouldn't say He compromises with evil, He judges what's in people's hearts. If they have good intentions in mind trying to do what's right, He's merciful not judging it to be evil as that wasn't the intent. Though when evil is intended then as a result what's done is unquestionably wrong, undeserving of His mercy. For example between Esau and Jacob, the Lord chose the younger brother for His inheritance even though Jacob had deceived Issac for his blessing (Genesis 25:31-34, Genesis 27:18-19, Genesis 28:13-15).

We should be careful what we judge is good or evil. The Lord has a different understanding than us and unlike us knows what's in people's hearts. Not only does he use those who're of Him serving, but He finds a way to have good done when evil seems to have its way. Before deciding not to compromise with evil, I think it's a 'good' idea to ask if God's will could be done and whether He has a use for that person.

Doug Melven · Oct 6, 2018

I just wanted to say this whole thread brought a smile to my face.
Much love in Christ to all of you.

Not me · Oct 6, 2018

hedrick said:
The idea of never compromising is what was behind pacifism and non-involvement in civic affairs. Most Christians have concluded that sometimes we have to pick the lesser evil, and thus are willing to kill to defend the innocent, and vote for people who are not morally pure.

Curious, I’m of the opposite mind, (unless I misunderstand you). I think it is because we have compromised with evil that the world is in such a state as its in? If righteousness was sought after for its own sake. People would reap the consequences of there own actions whether they were good or bad. I feel it’s the constant trying to be someone’s savior rather than allowing them to make their own decision on whether they want to be controlled by self or Christ. And then being allowed to reap the consequences of that decision. (my thoughts) thanks for yours.

Doug Melven said:
I just wanted to say this whole thread brought a smile to my face.
Much love in Christ to all of you.

Thank you so very much, I quite sure I speak for all when I say “Thanks soo very much, and your more than welcome”.

Crowned Princess said:
Haaaa! Again I broke out in a big smile when I read “all of Him and nothing of me”. That is one of my prayers/saying that I say to the Lord quite often. That He would answer your hearts cry (and mine) that it might truly be “all of Him and nothing of us”.

That part I lined under there of what you wrote, is something I agree on as well. We are nothing without Him! We need Him to function well, as well as to live! It should always be all about Him alone, yet in this world we are taught to think of ourselves. It is all about our own choices, our own lives, what we want! Still; We are given a free will, and we can choose whether we want to live for ourselves or living for God! Though this life on earth may seem pleasent to be living a life as you choose based from your own choices and desires, in the end it will only be seen as empty pursuits when we are all standing before God the Father during Judgement's Day!

Blessings to you my fellow striver after Christ, Not me.

Blessings back to you as well in Christ Jesus!

Edit;

Another saying of mine that you might appreciate is;

“When Jesus died, I died, that I might be a new creation. created in righteousness, by righteousness, for righteousness. Lord God cause righteousness to reign in your creation, and I am your creation”

thought you might like this?

It is a nice way of seeing it, yes.

Much love in Christ, Not me

Much Love in Christ Jesus back at you!

Thanks! It is sooo true “self” is the evil that needs to be overcome or as scripture says to “reckon it dead”. When we learn that we are our own worst enemies reckoning ourselfs dead become such a freeing pleasure.

Blessing back to you, and may we all come to know Christ in all reality and all truth!

Brotherly Spirit said:
On the surface that seems absolutely right. But doesn't God pick the lesser of evils among us? None of us are pure without spots and often are sinful even when it wasn't our intention. Yet I wouldn't say He compromises with evil, He judges what's in people's hearts. If they have good intentions in mind trying to do what's right, He's merciful not judging it to be evil as that wasn't the intent. Though when evil is intended then as a result what's done is unquestionably wrong, undeserving of His mercy. For example between Esau and Jacob, the Lord chose the younger brother for His inheritance even though Jacob had deceived Issac for his blessing (Genesis 25:31-34, Genesis 27:18-19, Genesis 28:13-15).

We should be careful what we judge is good or evil. The Lord has a different understanding than us and unlike us knows what's in people's hearts. Not only does he use those who're of Him serving, but He finds a way to have good done when evil seems to have its way. Before deciding not to compromise with evil, I think it's a 'good' idea to ask if God's will could be done and whether He has a use for that person.

Hi, without trying to put to sharp a point on it. There is only one good and one evil. We are told “when” not “if”, but “when you judge, judge righteously”. So I hold to the truth that it’s God’s righteousness that we are to judge by. And this can only come to pass as Christ is formed in each believer. And I’m further of the mind that is only to the degree that Christ has been formed in the believer can he truly judge with righteous jugdement. (my thoughts)

Much love and prayers for all in Christ, Not me

Martyr's Crown · Oct 7, 2018

Not me said:
Hi, without trying to put to sharp a point on it. There is only one good and one evil. We are told “when” not “if”, but “when you judge, judge righteously”. So I hold to the truth that it’s God’s righteousness that we are to judge by. And this can only come to pass as Christ is formed in each believer. And I’m further of the mind that is only to the degree that Christ has been formed in the believer can he truly judge with righteous jugdement. (my thoughts)

Just like this bible verse states, Romans 12:2

"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God".

:oldthumbsup:

Brotherly Spirit · Oct 7, 2018

When I saw the part where @Not me said there's only one good and one evil, it hit home with an immediate approval. We tend to have opinions about people and things, when given two imperfect choices not ideal to our own standards its automatically judgment of the lesser of two evils. For clarity I'm wasn't saying we should ever compromise with evil, but not assume less than ideal is the same as evil. So we must consider by his standards what's good and evil, including whether a person or thing could be part of his plan.

I'm curious what does compromising with evil mean specifically to you? Is self-defense of innocent life with deadly force a compromise? What about politics which requires people to prioritize certain things when they vote, an example is being pro-life but the candidate has a moderate position? Do you believe either could be justified morally for good?

Doug Melven · Oct 7, 2018

Never compromise with evil.
To me this means you have a set of morals and ethics and you won't give up on them at all.
For example, you know what you should be doing in c a certain situation, but your employer says you have to do something that goes against those morals/ethics. And if you are unwilling to do as your boss says, you are out of a job. So you give in to keep your job. That is compromising with evil.

Not me · Oct 7, 2018

Brotherly Spirit said:
When I saw the part where @Not me said there's only one good and one evil, it hit home with an immediate approval. We tend to have opinions about people and things, when given two imperfect choices not ideal to our own standards its automatically judgment of the lesser of two evils. For clarity I'm wasn't saying we should ever compromise with evil, but not assume less than ideal is the same as evil. So we must consider by his standards what's good and evil, including whether a person or thing could be part of his plan.

I'm curious what does compromising with evil mean specifically to you? Is self-defense of innocent life with deadly force a compromise? What about politics which requires people to prioritize certain things when they vote, an example is being pro-life but the candidate has a moderate position? Do you believe either could be justified morally for good?

You have asked as question I have questioned God about. When is ok to use violence? Do not have any divine wisdom givin to me on the subject.

As far as settling for the best of two evils, I see that as a good and proper thing. For we live in a fallen creation that is a mixture of both good and evil. We are to chose the good, or that which is closest to it. (my thoughts)

Much love in Christ, Not me

hedrick · Oct 7, 2018

Doug Melven said:
Never compromise with evil.
To me this means you have a set of morals and ethics and you won't give up on them at all.
For example, you know what you should be doing in c a certain situation, but your employer says you have to do something that goes against those morals/ethics. And if you are unwilling to do as your boss says, you are out of a job. So you give in to keep your job. That is compromising with evil.

I think there are gray areas, but generally I agree with you. Maybe my experience is unusual, but the people I deal with, both in external companies and within our University, are pretty honest. Sometimes they make lousy decisions, but not necessarily immoral ones. I know of only one exception, and he has had done enormous damage, but I'm not sure his staff are necessarily involved in it.

Not me · Oct 7, 2018

Doug Melven said:
Never compromise with evil.
To me this means you have a set of morals and ethics and you won't give up on them at all.
For example, you know what you should be doing in c a certain situation, but your employer says you have to do something that goes against those morals/ethics. And if you are unwilling to do as your boss says, you are out of a job. So you give in to keep your job. That is compromising with evil.

Well stated. This person would be being a “do’er of the Word.”

That we could all be “do’ers of the Word”

Much love in Christ, Not me

Brotherly Spirit · Oct 8, 2018

Doug Melven said:
Never compromise with evil.
To me this means you have a set of morals and ethics and you won't give up on them at all.
For example, you know what you should be doing in c a certain situation, but your employer says you have to do something that goes against those morals/ethics. And if you are unwilling to do as your boss says, you are out of a job. So you give in to keep your job. That is compromising with evil.

Probably the clearest explanation I've ever read or heard. But it does draw a line in the sand, even makes the question of when to compromise for good difficult. I guess a person has to decide if the ethics and morals he or she have allow for discernment in such situations.

Not me said:
You have asked as question I have questioned God about. When is ok to use violence? Do not have any divine wisdom givin to me on the subject.

As far as settling for the best of two evils, I see that as a good and proper thing. For we live in a fallen creation that is a mixture of both good and evil. We are to chose the good, or that which is closest to it. (my thoughts)

Much love in Christ, Not me

Same here, my hope is God is merciful and I'm humble. Just do our best listening to Him and leave our judgment to Him. I agree we live in a world where good and evil are intertwined as if in a constant state of tug and war. Even the most ethical and moral people on earth have sinned, meaning as much as they have good in them but also evil. An angel on one side of our shoulders and the devil on the other whispering in our ears.

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