How long ago was the universe created?

Vernon Bedore · Oct 5, 2018

ewq1938 said:
No, because the bible does not say when the universe was created. Also, the whole 6,000 year thing (not saying it's accurate) goes back to the creation of Adam not the universe.

Many people are not aware that the Biblical chronology derived from the Greek Septuagint, that is to say the Hebrew Old Testament in the Greek language, dates the Creation at approximately 5554 BC and the flood at approximately 3300 BC. The Septuagint was translated by 72 Hebrew scholars from the extent Hebrew manuscripts that were in existence in approximately 200 BC. This predates by several centuries the Masoretic Text from which nearly all modern Bibles are derived and from which chronology the date of the Creation was calculated to be 4004 BC. Moreover, The Septuagint was quoted by Jesus Christ, by the apostles, and by many early church fathers. And, those dates derived from the Septuagint chronology precede the building of the pyramids of Giza in approximately 2500 BC according to Egyptologists. Whereas the chronology derived from the King James and other modern Bibles places the building of the pyramids before the flood; and, therefore they would have been destroyed by the hydrodynamic forces of the flood, which devasted the earth for one year. Therefore, I believe that the chronology derived from the Septuagint is the correct one.

AlexDTX · Oct 5, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
According to the Bible the universe was created about 6,000 years ago. Is this accurate? Why or why not? Also according to modern science the universe was created billions of years ago during the big bang. Which is correct? Why or why not?

Only God can answer your question. All else is speculation since none of us were alive at creation.

The real question is, Did God create the universe or is it a product of evolution? Evolution needs the age of the universe to be vast to provide mathematical probability for evolution to work. Creation does not need an old universe since God created it. Therefore the sum arrived at for adding the genealogical information in the Bible is acceptable.

What do you want to really know?

Strange Plane · Oct 5, 2018

I voted "other". I don't yet know the age of Earth, let alone when it was created.

ewq1938 · Oct 5, 2018

joshua 1 9 said:
The Bible does not say: "God spoke to Moses"

Exo_6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

Apparently it does say that God spoke to Moses.

Vernon Bedore · Oct 5, 2018

Strange Plane said:
I voted "other". I don't yet know the age of Earth, let alone when it was created.

Hello and greetings, or as one group of Christians commonly say when they greet one another, God's Peace! As a new 81-year old member of this forum, I will give you my best take on the subject of the age of the universe as well as the earth. According to the Genesis account, God created the heavens and the earth, and He created the stars also. The most accepted understanding of this is that it was all done within the confines of the six days of Creation. That is what I tend to agree with. I have no doubt that God could have done it that way, or in any other time frame that you can imagine.
Moreover, God created the heavens and the earth without any help from evolution, which is simply a theory, a scientific belief system based on factors which have not been proven. If you research the subject of evolution, you will find that it is supported primarily by the say so of its proponents. In other words, if they say so, it must be true, and those scientists and students who disagree are ridiculed by their peers and professors. Nevertheless, the theory of evolution is unsupported by many prominent scientists.
I previously stated that the Creation took place in approximately 5554 BC according to the chronology of Genesis 5 and 11 in the Old Testament according to one version of the Greek Septuagint. Other versions date the Creation as 5001 BC or a somewhat lower date. There is certainly a lot of disagreement on this subject, particularly since there are many well-meaning pastors and theologians who stick steadfastly to their belief that the Creation took place in 4004 BC, according to the chronology based on the Masoretic Text and therefore by most modern Bibles including the KJV. And, whatever date you accept, that would include the creation of the universe.
But, God did not specify such a date. It is man that has tried to pin down such a date, or to disprove the Bible by it. I believe that we should not get too concerned about such things, and that we should stick to the things that are most important, like the fact that Jesus Christ died to pay the penalties for our sins, and that He arose again on the third day! Thereafter, He ascended into Heaven where He sits at the right hand of God the Father and contends for those of us who believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ and trust Him as our Lord and Savior. That is what the Old Testament foretold and what the New Testament proclaims. Praise our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Strange Plane · Oct 5, 2018

Vernon Bdore said:
Hello and greetings, or as one group of Christians commonly say when they greet one another, God's Peace! As a new 81-year old member of this forum, I will give you my best take on the subject of the age of the universe as well as the earth. According to the Genesis account, God created the heavens and the earth, and He created the stars also. The most accepted understanding of this is that it was all done within the confines of the six days of Creation. That is what I tend to agree with. I have no doubt that God could have done it that way, or in any other time frame that you can imagine.
Moreover, God created the heavens and the earth without any help from evolution, which is simply a theory, a scientific belief system based on factors which have not been proven. If you research the subject of evolution, you will find that it is supported primarily by the say so of its proponents. In other words, if they say so, it must be true, and those scientists and students who disagree are ridiculed by their peers and professors. Nevertheless, the theory of evolution is unsupported by many prominent scientists.
I previously stated that the Creation took place in approximately 5554 BC according to the chronology of Genesis 5 and 11 in the Old Testament according to one version of the Greek Septuagint. Other versions date the Creation as 5001 BC or a somewhat lower date. There is certainly a lot of disagreement on this subject, particularly since there are many well-meaning pastors and theologians who stick steadfastly to their belief that the Creation took place in 4004 BC, according to the chronology based on the Masoretic Text and therefore by most modern Bibles including the KJV. And, whatever date you accept, that would include the creation of the universe.
But, God did not specify such a date. It is man that has tried to pin down such a date, or to disprove the Bible by it. I believe that we should not get too concerned about such things, and that we should stick to the things that are most important, like the fact that Jesus Christ died to pay the penalties for our sins, and that He arose again on the third day! Thereafter, He ascended into Heaven where He sits at the right hand of God the Father and contends for those of us who believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ and trust Him as our Lord and Savior. That is what the Old Testament foretold and what the New Testament proclaims. Praise our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I agree on the six literal days. However, this agreement doesn't enable me to know dates or the current age of the Earth, much less the heaven.

If you are interested, I wrote a lengthy post, elsewhere on this forum, which might clarify for you where I'm coming from a bit more.

Neogaia777 · Oct 5, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
According to the Bible the universe was created about 6,000 years ago. Is this accurate? Why or why not? Also according to modern science the universe was created billions of years ago during the big bang. Which is correct? Why or why not?

It is a complete unknown, so is the Big Bang Theory, or how the universe began and when, they don't really know, and we might not be able to know, but it's a really, really long time ago, like trillions possibly hundreds or trillions or more, years ago...

See here: How old is the universe...? And, How big is the universe...? Discussion...?

God Bless!

joshua 1 9 · Oct 5, 2018

ewq1938 said:
Exo_6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

Apparently it does say that God spoke to Moses.

The point is that all of the books attributed to Moses are written in the third person. Compare this to Jeremiah 1:4 "The word of the LORD came to me, saying"

Can you find any passage that shows that Moses is the author of the book of Genesis?

BobRyan · Oct 5, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
According to the Bible the universe was created about 6,000 years ago. Is this accurate?

According to the Bible the Earth, the Sun, the Moon and all life on the Earth was created about 6000 years ago. But who knows how old the Universe is?

joshua 1 9 · Oct 5, 2018

AlexDTX said:
Only God can answer your question.

Yes and He uses Science, History & the Bible to answer the question.

BobRyan · Oct 5, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
But God created Adam on the sixth day of creation. So if the bible is correct than the universe was created about 6,000 years ago 6 days before the creation of Adam.

Why do you say that?

I believe the bible to be correct hence my vote.

Many evolutionists out there - but like you I believe the Bible "instead".

However the Bible says God created only "two great lights" on Day 4... not a zillion-and-two.

And while Genesis 1 says God created the universe it does not say he created it during Earth's creation week.

BobRyan · Oct 5, 2018

joshua 1 9 said:
Yes and He uses Science, History & the Bible to answer the question.

That is true.

But the devil uses junk-science to oppose the Bible.

Neostarwcc · Oct 5, 2018

joshua 1 9 said:
The point is that all of the books attributed to Moses are written in the third person. Compare this to Jeremiah 1:4 "The word of the LORD came to me, saying"

Can you find any passage that shows that Moses is the author of the book of Genesis?

Hello! While not explicitly stated in the book of Genesis its commonly accepted in Jewish theology that the author of the first five books of the Torah was in fact Moses. It's even stated in the title of leviticus "The third book of Moses Leviticus"

AlexDTX · Oct 5, 2018

joshua 1 9 said:
Yes and He uses Science, History & the Bible to answer the question.

What science? What history? Human science changes throughout the centuries, and history is rewritten by the victors.

1Co 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

Vernon Bedore · Oct 5, 2018

The King James Bible states, "And God made two great lights, the greater to rule the day and the lessor to rule the night; He made the stars also." Gen 1.16. That and the introduction to Genesis ("In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth," Gen 1.1) is all that is said of when God created the the earth and the universe. There are some references in other parts of the Bible. But, they don't shed any more light on this subject. For a view that the Creation of the universe and the earth took place in 4004 BC look up defenders of 4004 BC for the Creation. This is very complicated and controversial subject. These people can explain it all better than I can.

gordonhooker · Oct 5, 2018

ewq1938 said:
Exo_6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

Apparently it does say that God spoke to Moses.

Or in the vernacular of today:

God also spoke to Moses and said to him: “I am the LORD." (Exodus 6:2 NRSV)

AnticipateHisComing · Oct 5, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
Christian scientists made a guess how long these people have lived for since the bible doesn't say exactly how long some of them lived for. And they made an educated guess that the universe has been around for about 6,000 years.

I find it interesting that the oldest thing that can be dated with common eyes with completly no doubt to its age is a tree that is 5068 years old. Pretty close to that 6000. Remember the flood only killed breathing animal life, not plants.

AnticipateHisComing · Oct 5, 2018

Hawkins said:
2) I don't think that humans scientifically understand what time is completely.

Scientific dreamers want to make it so difficult. Time is a construct of the creation of this world in this age. Scripture notes this with the first three words of scripture.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Scripture then details how time is measured in days. It reinforces the beginning with "the first day".

"And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

Time exists for the duration of this world and age. Scripture points this out with the repeated use of "last day". The next age will be eternal, have no time or measurement of it. This is symbolized with the absence of a sun with day and night in the next age.

joshua 1 9 · Oct 6, 2018

AlexDTX said:
What science? What history? Human science changes throughout the centuries, and history is rewritten by the victors.

Yes but the evidence we examine remains consistent and the same. With History we usually examine what they call artifacts. For example 40,000 years ago we find man was making fishing hooks, sowing needles and fishing nets. These man made items are called artifacts. The science involved in this is called Archaeology. Then we have natural science. WE can study things like fossils. WE can study layers of ice in a glacier. We can look at the air bubbles and see what the atmosphere was like at that point in time. We can study the rings on trees. There are Pine trees in California that goes back 10,000 years.

Also there are things they can do with Math, my son is very good in Math. He is working on a degree in computer engineering with a minor in Math. Recently I have been learning about what they call the Mandelbrot Fractal. This is a very interesting program that they write for the computer. This is a very simple formula that loops itself so that it goes on for infinity.

We can use math to prove the Bible and prove God is true but the average person would not be able to understand. For example the Bible talks about dawn and sunset. In Physics they talk about an event Horizon. This is called a "Point of no return". This has to do with the light of day, the first light in the morning and the last light at the end of the day. Light can be a wave or a particle. But at sunset for a brief moment, light can be both a wave and a particle. This is demonstrated in the double slit experiment.

People may not understand the evidence but the evidence is still there for us to examine. Lots of evidence. More then you could ever process in your life time. Because God is infinite. With the Mandelbrot Equation there is no beginning and there is no end. The pattern repeats itself endlessly. People say it makes them dizzy because it goes on forever. When I was a kid they called this a kaleidoscope.

joshua 1 9 · Oct 6, 2018

AnticipateHisComing said:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

If you study the letters that make up the word beginning. Then we see that in the beginning Jesus (B - Ben - Son) was given as a grain offering to reconcile heaven and earth. This is why we are told that there will be a new heaven and a new earth. We are told to pray: "Thy Kingdom Come, Thy will be done on Earth as in Heaven". God declares the end from the beginning.

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, еxcept a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal."

This is why we have the Bread and the Wine to represent the Body and the Blood of Jesus: "shed for many for the remission of sins."

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