The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

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Dear Little Lamb: I told my precious wife of nearly 60 years that everybody hates me. Her response= "everybody has not met you yet". I do appreciate your kind remark. One day I may get a life, perhaps a flying vehicle would be in order. LOL

The confusion that dominates Christianity around the world, with its zillion shoots, will continue until the glad Day we proclaim. One of the reasons some of those who compiled the Sacred texts of our present Bible did not want to include the Revelation, was for this very reason.

There are four views regarding the Revelation>>>

Four Views of Revelation

My fellowship of the past years has been among those who lean to the historicist position, and they were/are mighty individuals indeed. I would lean to Rev. 2.10 being a past event & not future. That is not to say great distress will not transpire again, but I must leave it there for now.
 
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G1223 δι on account of, by occasion of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of (that),
(di' autou). di' hon (because of whom) and di' hou (by means of whom)
Hebrews 2:10 For whom (di' hon). Referring to autōi (God) as the reason (cause) for the universe (ta panta).

Dear he-man: ta panta is very precise. It is not panta, but "ta" joined with it. The meaning is "the all", even stronger than the radical pas of koine!>>>>

I suggest you read the following from a scholar of koine.

ALEXANDER THOMSON: The Meaning of Ta Panta

ALSO

Chapter Twelve
 
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Dear Little Lamb: I told my precious wife of nearly 60 years that everybody hates me. Her response= "everybody has not met you yet". I do appreciate your kind remark. One day I may get a life, perhaps a flying vehicle would be in order. LOL

The confusion that dominates Christianity around the world, with its zillion shoots, will continue until the glad Day we proclaim. One of the reasons some of those who compiled the Sacred texts of our present Bible did not want to include the Revelation, was for this very reason.

There are four views regarding the Revelation>>>

Four Views of Revelation

My fellowship of the past years has been among those who lean to the historicist position, and they were/are mighty individuals indeed. I would lean to Rev. 2.10 being a past event & not future. That is not to say great distress will not transpire again, but I must leave it there for now.
That is not to say great distress will not transpire again, but I must leave it there for now
Thank you for not making fun of my "church helo" ehehe. I will have to see about modernizing it.
Do you remember the time I had a "church tank" in my siggy?
Instead of artillery shells, it shot out pieces of Scriptures and at the same time blared out the Gospel messeage thru speakers to the heretics, along with the heathens..
The driver was "Blind As A Bat" :cool: .......[Oh those were the good ole days!].............

LLoJ & CD take over GT!

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Thank you for not making fun of my "church helo" ehehe. I will have to see about modernizing it.
Do you remember the time I had a "church tank" in my siggy?
Instead of artillery shells, it shot out pieces of Scriptures and at the same time blared out the Gospel messeage thru speakers to the heretics, along with the heathens..
The driver was "Blind As A Bat" :cool: .......[Oh those were the good ole days!].............

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LLoJ & CD take over GT!

Me and LLoJ on the move hunting down heretics and mods. ^_^

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Dear Little Lamb: I am glad I do not require doing battle with you & those contraptions!
 
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he-man said:
G1223 δι on account of, by occasion of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of (that),
(di' autou). di' hon (because of whom) and di' hou (by means of whom)
Hebrews 2:10 For whom (di' hon). Referring to autōi (God) as the reason (cause) for the universe (ta panta).
Dear he-man: ta panta is very precise. It is not panta, but "ta" joined with it.
The meaning is "the all", even stronger than the radical pas of koine!
>>>>

I suggest you read the following from a scholar of koine.

ALEXANDER THOMSON: The Meaning of Ta Panta

ALSO

Chapter Twelve
Hi FL. Interesting.
I like the Greek, both the koine and/or transliterated.


The article "the" is generally left out of most translations and that is sad.

For example, key these 2 words into a concordance using quotation marks "the all" looking at all the translations.

YLT is practically the only version that gives exact matches "the all". Thoughts?

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
"the all"
"the" AND "all"
occurs 15243 times in 3,728 verses in the YLT,
including 26 exact phrases shown first.
Page 1 / 75
exact matches (Rom 8:32–Rev 5:13)

1st time used:
YLT)
Romans 8:32

He who indeed His own Son did not spare, but for us all did deliver him up,
how shall He not also with him the all things grant to us?

Greek and Hebrew Reader Online
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ὅς γε τοῦ ἰδίου υἱοῦ οὐκ ἐφείσατο, ἀλλὰ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν πάντων παρέδωκεν αὐτόν, πῶς οὐχὶ καὶ σὺν αὐτῷ τὰ πάντα ἡμῖν χαρίσεται;
Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt
oV ge tou idiou uiou ouk efeisato all uper hmwn pantwn paredwken auton pwV ouci kai sun autw ta panta hmin carisetai

Used 2 times in Revelation

Revelation 4:11
'Worthy art Thou, O Lord, to receive the glory, and the honour, and the power, because Thou -- Thou didst create the all things, and because of Thy will are they, and they were created.'

Revelation 5:13
and every creature that is in the heaven, and in the earth, and under the earth, and the things that are upon the sea, and the all things in them, heard I saying, 'To Him who is sitting upon the throne, and to the Lambkin, is the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the might -- to the ages of the ages!'
 
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Dear he-man: The koine is precise. The radical all is precise. The ultimate purpose of God is precise. Being IN Jesus Christ is precise!

Strong's #1223 - διά - Old & New Testament Greek Lexicon

The whole of created life shall be delivered/ set free/ emancipated....
Bible Lexicons Old / New Testament Greek Lexical Dictionary
Entry for Strong's #1223 - διά
c. of means 1. by 2. by the means of 2. through a. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done 1. by reason of

2. on account of 3. because of for this reason 4. therefore 5. on this account
1 of persons, thanks to, in Prose, by reason of, on account of, δ' ἡμᾶς Th. 1.41, cf. X. An. 7.6.33, D. 18.249; οὐ δι' ἐμαυτόν

2. of things, to express the Cause, Occasion, or Purpose freq. also with neut. Adjs., δ. τί; wherefore?; δ. τοῦτο, δ. ταῦτα on this account; δι' ὅ, δι' ἅ on which account; δ. πολλά for many reasons, etc.
with the genitive of thing, "by means of 1 Corinthians 11:12 " but all things of God."

2. of the reason or cause on account of which anything is or is done, or ought to be done; on account of, because of;

a. in the phrases διά τοῦτο, for this cause; for this reason; therefore; on this account; since this is so: Matthew 6:25; Matthew 12:27, 31; Matthew 13:13, etc.; Mark 6:14; Mark 11:24; Luke 11:49; Luke 14:20; John 6:65; John 9:23; Acts 2:26; Romans 1:26; Romans 4:16; Romans 5:12; Romans 13:6; Romans 15:9; 1 Corinthians 4:17; 1 Corinthians 11:10, For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 30; For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 

2 Corinthians 4:1; Ephesians 1:15; Ephesians 5:17; Ephesians 6:13; Colossians 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 3:5, 7; 2 Thessalonians 2:11; 2 Timothy 2:10; Hebrews 1:9; Hebrews 2:1; 1 John 4:5; 3 John 1:10; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 12:12; Revelation 18:8. followed by ὅτι, for this cause ... because, therefore ... because: John 5:16, 18; John 8:47; John 10:17; John 12:18, 39; 1 John 3:1 of any other cause on account of which one is said to do or to have done something —

as in Matthew 14:3, for sake of 9; Matthew 15:3, 6; John 4:39, 41; John 12:11; John 14:11; Acts 28:2; Romans 3:25 (διά τήν πάρεσιν τῶν προγεγονότων ἁμαρτημάτων because of the pretermission etc., i. e. because he had left the sins unpunished); Romans 6:19; Romans 15:15; 2 Corinthians 9:14; Galatians 4:13 (δἰ ἀσθένειαν τῆς σαρκός, on account of an infirmity of the flesh, i. e.

διά with the accusative of a person is often equivalent to for the benefit of (English for the sake of): Mark 2:27; John 11:42; John 12:30; 1 Corinthians 11:9; Hebrews 1:14; Hebrews 6:7 διά τούς ἐκλεκτούς, Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20; 2 Timothy 2:10; διά Χριστόν for Christ's sake, to promote his cause, 1 Corinthians 4:10; δἰ ὑμᾶς, John 12:30; 2 Corinthians 4:15; 2 Corinthians 8:9; Philippians 1:24; 1 Thessalonians 1:5. διά τινα, because of the example set by one: 2 Corinthians 2:10; Romans 2:24; 2 Peter 2:2; διά τόν Χριστόν, for Christ, to become a partner of Christ, Philippians 3:7 (equivalent to ἵνα Χριστόν κερδήσω, Philippians 3:8).
Thayer's Expanded Greek Definition, Electronic Database

2. C. acc; (i) rarely, as c. gen., through (Hom), δ . μέσον Σαμαρίας (ICC, in l; Bl., § 42, 1; Robertson, Gr., 581), Luke 17:11. (ii) by reason of, because of, for the sake of; (a) c. acc pers. (M, Pr., 105), Mark 2:27, John 6:57; John 11:42, Romans 8:20; (b) c. acc rei, δ . φθόνον , Matthew 27:18, Mark 15:10; δ . φόβον , John 7:13; John 20:19; δ . ἀγάπην , Ephesians 2:4; δ . τοῦτο , freq., for this cause, therefore, Matthew 6:25, Mark 6:14, Luke 11:49, John 6:65, al.; id. seq. ὅτι , John 5:16; John 10:17, al.; δ . τί , why, Matthew 9:11; Matthew 9:14, Mark 2:18, John 7:45, al.; δ . τό , c. inf., Mark 5:4, Luke 9:7, James 4:2
Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament
 
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Hi FL. Interesting.
I like the Greek, both the koine and/or transliterated.


The article "the" is generally left out of most translations and that is sad.

For example, key these 2 words into a concordance using quotation marks "the all" looking at all the translations.

YLT is practically the only version that gives exact matches "the all". Thoughts?

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
"the all"
"the" AND "all"
occurs 15243 times in 3,728 verses in the YLT,
including 26 exact phrases shown first.
Page 1 / 75
exact matches (Rom 8:32–Rev 5:13)

1st time used:
YLT)
Romans 8:32

He who indeed His own Son did not spare, but for us all did deliver him up,
how shall He not also with him the all things grant to us?

Greek and Hebrew Reader Online
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ὅς γε τοῦ ἰδίου υἱοῦ οὐκ ἐφείσατο, ἀλλὰ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν πάντων παρέδωκεν αὐτόν, πῶς οὐχὶ καὶ σὺν αὐτῷ τὰ πάντα ἡμῖν χαρίσεται;
Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt
oV ge tou idiou uiou ouk efeisato all uper hmwn pantwn paredwken auton pwV ouci kai sun autw ta panta hmin carisetai

Used 2 times in Revelation

Revelation 4:11
'Worthy art Thou, O Lord, to receive the glory, and the honour, and the power, because Thou -- Thou didst create the all things, and because of Thy will are they, and they were created.'

Revelation 5:13
and every creature that is in the heaven, and in the earth, and under the earth, and the things that are upon the sea, and the all things in them, heard I saying, 'To Him who is sitting upon the throne, and to the Lambkin, is the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the might -- to the ages of the ages!'

Dear LittleLamb: As you have been soaring high in your flying contraption, you have produced excellent research. One of the foundations for me of ta pante is Romans 11.36.

"From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends..."

There is no wiggle room: the ta panta begins in our God, the ta panta ends in our God!

The all things recorded in Rev. 5.13 demonstrates the exact same outcome! The entire creation encapsulating the heavens, the earth, and the underworld, ultimately sings in antiphonal worship to our glorious God of glory!
 
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Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament

Every created thing (παν κτισμα — pān ktisma). Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from κτιζω — ktizō for which see 1 Timothy 4:4; James 1:18), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in Revelation 5:3, with on the sea επι της ταλασσης — epi tēs thalassēs added).

No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (κτισις — ktisis) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off.

Saying (λεγοντας — legontas). Masculine (construction according to sense, personifying the created things) if genuine, though some MSS. have λεγοντα — legonta (grammatical gender agreeing with παντα— panta) present active participle of λεγω — legō to say.

And to the Lamb (και τωι αρνιωι — kai tōi arniōi). Dative case. Praise and worship are rendered to the Lamb precisely as to God on the throne.

Note separate articles here in the doxology as in Revelation 4:11 and the addition of το κρατος — to kratos (active power) in place of ισχυς — ischus (reserve of strength) in Revelation 5:12.
 
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Dear LittleLamb: As you have been soaring high in your flying contraption, you have produced excellent research. One of the foundations for me of ta pante is Romans 11.36.

"From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends..."

There is no wiggle room: the ta panta begins in our God, the ta panta ends in our God!

The all things recorded in Rev. 5.13 demonstrates the exact same outcome! The entire creation encapsulating the heavens, the earth, and the underworld, ultimately sings in antiphonal worship to our glorious God of glory!
Romans 11.36 YLT because hóti of Him, and through Him, and to Him [are] the all things; to Him [is] the glory -- to the ages. Amen.
ὅτι ἐξ αὐτοῦ καὶ δι’ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν τὰ πάντα· αὐτῷ ἡ δόξα εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.

G1293 Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.

Romans 14:23 But whoever doubts stands condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from a conviction, and everything that is not from a conviction is sin.
1. as a causal Particle, for that, because, generally after Verbs of feeling, Il. 1.56, 14.407, al Liddell-Scott-Jones Definitions

(and then ὅτι simply introduces the reason, because (Buttmann, 358 (308) II. the reason why anything is said to be or to be done, because, since, for that, for (a causal conjunc.; Latinquod,quia,quom,nam);

ὅτι in the protasis, John 1:50(); . It is followed by διά τοῦτο, John 15:19. οὐχ ὅτι ... ἀλλ' ὅτι, not because ... but because, John 6:26; John 12:6. Thayer's Expanded Greek Definition, Electronic Database.

II. As causal particle, for that, because: Matthew 5:4-12, Luke 6:20-21, John 1:30; John 5:27, Acts 1:5, 1 John 4:18, Revelation 3:10, al. mult.; διὰ τοῦτο ὅτι , John 8:47; John 10:17, al Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament.
 
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By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the...

Ex= The Source

Di= The Agent

Eiv= The Goal

The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.

Romans 11:36=

ta pavnte/ ta panta, "in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming."

It is not in the limited sense of "nearly all", "pavnte" minus "ta

The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.

The prefix "re" means back again, again, anew--and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.

In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis
 
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The Message= Romans chapter 5=

5 1-2 By entering through faith into what God has always wanted to do for us—set us right with him, make us fit for him—we have it all together with God because of our Master Jesus. And that’s not all: We throw open our doors to God and discover at the same moment that he has already thrown open his door to us. We find ourselves standing where we always hoped we might stand—out in the wide open spaces of God’s grace and glory, standing tall and shouting our praise.

3-5 There’s more to come: We continue to shout our praise even when we’re hemmed in with troubles, because we know how troubles can develop passionate patience in us, and how that patience in turn forges the tempered steel of virtue, keeping us alert for whatever God will do next. In alert expectancy such as this, we’re never left feeling shortchanged. Quite the contrary—we can’t round up enough containers to hold everything God generously pours into our lives through the Holy Spirit!

6-8 Christ arrives right on time to make this happen. He didn’t, and doesn’t, wait for us to get ready. He presented himself for this sacrificial death when we were far too weak and rebellious to do anything to get ourselves ready. And even if we hadn’t been so weak, we wouldn’t have known what to do anyway. We can understand someone dying for a person worth dying for, and we can understand how someone good and noble could inspire us to selfless sacrifice. But God put his love on the line for us by offering his Son in sacrificial death while we were of no use whatever to him.

9-11 Now that we are set right with God by means of this sacrificial death, the consummate blood sacrifice, there is no longer a question of being at odds with God in any way. If, when we were at our worst, we were put on friendly terms with God by the sacrificial death of his Son, now that we’re at our best, just think of how our lives will expand and deepen by means of his resurrection life! Now that we have actually received this amazing friendship with God, we are no longer content to simply say it in plodding prose. We sing and shout our praises to God through Jesus, the Messiah!


12-14 You know the story of how Adam landed us in the dilemma we’re in—first sin, then death, and no one exempt from either sin or death. That sin disturbed relations with God in everything and everyone, but the extent of the disturbance was not clear until God spelled it out in detail to Moses. So death, this huge abyss separating us from God, dominated the landscape from Adam to Moses. Even those who didn’t sin precisely as Adam did by disobeying a specific command of God still had to experience this termination of life, this separation from God. But Adam, who got us into this, also points ahead to the One who will get us out of it.

15-17 Yet the rescuing gift is not exactly parallel to the death-dealing sin. If one man’s sin put crowds of people at the dead-end abyss of separation from God, just think what God’s gift poured through one man, Jesus Christ, will do! There’s no comparison between that death-dealing sin and this generous, life-giving gift. The verdict on that one sin was the death sentence; the verdict on the many sins that followed was this wonderful life sentence. If death got the upper hand through one man’s wrongdoing, can you imagine the breathtaking recovery life makes, sovereign life, in those who grasp with both hands this wildly extravagant life-gift, this grand setting-everything-right, that the one man Jesus Christ provides?

18-19 Here it is in a nutshell: Just as one person did it wrong and got us in all this trouble with sin and death, another person did it right and got us out of it. But more than just getting us out of trouble, he got us into life! One man said no to God and put many people in the wrong; one man said yes to God and put many in the right.

20-21 All that passing laws against sin did was produce more lawbreakers. But sin didn’t, and doesn’t, have a chance in competition with the aggressive forgiveness we call grace. When it’s sin versus grace, grace wins hands down. All sin can do is threaten us with death, and that’s the end of it. Grace, because God is putting everything together again through the Messiah, invites us into life—a life that goes on and on and on, world without end.

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Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson
 
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So, with that said, here are my conclusions after two years of study into the KJV, making other than the usual connections between certain key verses:

WWW CONDENSATION OF CONCLUSIONS



1. There is no mention of Hell in God’s Creation of the Cosmos - therefore, Hell is uncreated by God or anyone else. See Genesis 1:1, Isaiah 65:17, Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5. John 1:3 explicitly states that God made all, and that no other person or agency made anything. The Bible contains many instances of “heaven and earth” paired together as a term…without “hell.”

2. In the first chapter of Genesis, it is stated six times that God saw that what He had made was good, excluding Hell as being possible, as the Creation could not have been wholly good had Hell been in existence. See Genesis 1:10,12,18,21,25,31.

3. The Creation is properly a hierarchy, not a dualistic Heaven versus Hell – with the Earth and humans as a contested prize, fought over by God and Satan. See Genesis 1:1, Job 1 & 2, John 1:3, Philippians 2:10, Revelation 5:13.

4. God made both good and evil, for the same Hand that planted the Tree of Life also planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Therefore, Satan did not make or create evil. See Genesis 2:9, Isaiah 45:7, Lamentations 3:38, Amos 3:6.

5. The Bible makes no connection between Satan and Hell, so Satan is NOT the Prince of Hell. See Job 1:6-7, 2:1-2, Zechariah 3:1-2, Revelation 2:13, 12:9.

6. The prince of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 is not Satan, as it specifically refers to him as a man. See Ezekiel 26 - 28.

7. The Law God gave to Moses warned of death, but did not specify punishment in Hell, or warn of it. Punishments were delivered in the real world, and the most severe was simple death. See Genesis 2:17, Exodus through Deuteronomy, Romans 6:23.

8. All the consequences of human disobedience to God are worked out in the real, here-and-now world – not in Hell. This includes death, destruction, perishing, God’s wrath and His cursings. See Deuteronomy 28:15-68, 30:19, Ezekiel 32:32, Romans 13:4.

9. All people die, but none of them go to Eternal Conscious Torment – only to the grave or pit. See every instance of personal death in the Bible, with “hell” (if present) properly replaced with “sheol” or “hades,” as so often noted in the margin or center-column reference.

10. For the Hebrews, “sheol,” hidden, covered and unknown, was the state, condition or place of the dead. It was where the body returned to the dust and the spirit returned to God (Who gave it). See Genesis 3:19, Ecclesiastes 12:7.

11. Eternal Conscious Torment depends on the concept of the Immortality of the Soul, and that comes, not from the Bible, but from Greek philosophy, from Socrates and Plato.

12. Hell, by definition, opposes the Gospel (the Good News) because Hell can only be Bad News for those sent there – and thus, for most of living (and dead) humanity.

13. Hell violates God’s Law, specifically the Law of the Jubilee, which sets all those in servitude free. Those who die are freed from sin, as prophesied by the Law of the Jubilee. See Leviticus 25:8-13, Isaiah 1:18, Romans 6:7,16.

14. The idea of damnation of people to Hell is at least absurd, and possibly blasphemous, due to the presence of God’s Spirit of Life in each of us. See Genesis 1:26-27, 2:7,3:19, Ecclesiastes 12:7.

15. Hell, like Babylon, is confusion. Hell is hot, but it’s also cold as…Hell. Hell is bright with fire, but it is dark. Hell is separation from God, but Mary K Baxter depicts Jesus touring Hell, chiding the damned. To go to Hell, you must be dead, but to be in Eternal Conscious Torment, you must be alive, but you’re dead, and on and on… Fictional descriptions of Hell, especially as seen in the works of Dante and Baxter, are clearly fictional and un-Biblical.

16. God’s plan for the wicked is to destroy their wickedness, not to destroy them or send them to Hell. See Psalm 1:6, 7:9, Isaiah 1:18, Jeremiah 3:12, Habakkuk 1:12, Philippians 3:21, Hebrews 10:26-27.

17. God speaks of ransoming/redeeming ALL from death and the grave – without exception. See Psalm 49:15, Ezekiel 16:55, Romans 6:23, Ephesians 1:10.

18. God is both willing AND able to save all. Given that He is omnipotent, we can ALL look forward with confidence to our eventual salvation. See Psalm 49:15, 86:13, 103:8-14, 136, Isaiah 1:18, 6:7, 25:7-8, 26:19, 33:24, 43:25, 44:22, 45:8, 55:8-9, 57:16, 64:6-9, Jeremiah 3:12. Lamentations 3:26-32, Ezekiel 11:19, 16:55, Hosea 13:14, Micah 4:5, 7:18-19, Ephesians 1:10, Philipians 3:21, Colossians 1:19-20, I Thessalonians 1:10, I Timothy 1:15, 2:4-6, 4:10, 6:13, II Peter 3:9.

19. God compares Himself to a cleansing or refining agent – usually as fire, but sometimes as soap. Therefore, all instances of supernatural fire should be interpreted as being for refining and/or purification, not damnation. Fire in the Bible is never Hellfire, but natural fire or God’s Fire. See Malachi 3:2-3, Matthew 3:10-12, I Corinthians 3:15.

20. If God’s Fire is for baptism and refining, then that which is burned must be our carnal, sinful nature. It is symbolized by unfruitful trees, tares, chaff, wood, hay and stubble – by anything unable to endure the Fire. See Matthew 3:10-12, I Corinthians 3:11-15.

21. “Hell” is used in the King James Version (and others) to replace four other words: “Sheol,” “Hades,” “Gehenna” and “Tartarus.” None of these four refer to a place of damnation or Eternal Conscious Torment. See any decent dictionary, especially the Oxford English Dictionary.

22. When we dig out mistranslations and peel away misinterpretations, we find that Hell is an imposition, an insertion into the text. With Hell so deconstructed, the Bible and God are both silent on Hell. See Numbers 23:19, John 14:2.

23. Christians should not follow the Hell of the ancient, pagan religions, such as the “Hel” we find in Norse mythology, but follow the truth of God’s Word, which does not contain either the concept of Hell or even the word “hell,” except in imperfect translations.
 
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Laz is late to this thread, but first I will make an observation:

"Cherry-Picking" - a list of Bible verses upholding a theology I don't like.

"Proof Texts" - a list of Bible verses upholding a theology I approve of.

you might be late laz, but glad you stopped by.

God through Christ is indeed the saviour of the world.
 
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Laz is late to this thread, but first I will make an observation:

"Cherry-Picking" - a list of Bible verses upholding a theology I don't like.

"Proof Texts" - a list of Bible verses upholding a theology I approve of.
 
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Laz is late to this thread, but first I will make an observation:

"Cherry-Picking" - a list of Bible verses upholding a theology I don't like.

"Proof Texts" - a list of Bible verses upholding a theology I approve of.

Dear Laz: You may be late, but you are not short with your grasp of a revelation that is dear to us. Thank you for an amazing summary, it is evident you have done your homework! Welcome.

A word of caution: there is a fellow flying around this link with a flying contraption, keep your head low.
 
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Dear Laz: You may be late, but you are not short with your grasp of a revelation that is dear to us. Thank you for an amazing summary, it is evident you have done your homework! Welcome.

A word of caution: there is a fellow flying around this link with a flying contraption, keep your head low.
Thank you - I have skimmed, and seen the opponents. As usual, those who think they see do not see. Lao Tzu got it correct a long time ago. Or...as an old Yoruba proverb puts it: What an elder can see sitting down, a youth cannot see standing up.
 
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The Message= Romans chapter 5=

5 1-2 By entering through faith into what God has always wanted to do for us—set us right with him, make us fit for him—we have it all together with God because of our Master Jesus. And that’s not all: We throw open our doors to God and discover at the same moment that he has already thrown open his door to us. We find ourselves standing where we always hoped we might stand—out in the wide open spaces of God’s grace and glory, standing tall and shouting our praise.
Romans 11:36 - For on account of him and because of him and for his sake are all things To him be the glory forever. Amen.

Romans 11:36 - WH – on account of δι αυτου και εις αυτον τα παντα all things
G3956 παν πας all; πάντα πασιν all, everything, ever, forever; πάντες πάσα πασος everyone, everybody (not ‘all’) as manγ as
1. by reason of
2. on account of
3. because of for this reason
4. therefore
5. on this account

Examples:

Romans 2:24 For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU," just as it is written.
Romans 4:23 Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him,
Romans 13:5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
 
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By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the...
Ex= The Source Di= The Agent Eiv= The Goal The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.
Romans 11:36= ta pavnte/ ta panta, "in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming." It is not in the limited sense of "nearly all", "pavnte" minus "ta The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution. The prefix "re" means back again, again, anew--and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning. In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis
Romans 11:36 - For on account of him and because of him and for his sake are all things To him be the glory forever. Amen.

Romans 11:36 - WH – on account of δι αυτου και εις αυτον τα παντα all things
G3956 παν πας all; πάντα πασιν all, everything, ever, forever; πάντες πάσα πασος everyone, everybody (not ‘all’) as manγ as
1. by reason of
2. on account of
3. because of for this reason
4. therefore
5. on this account

Examples:

Romans 2:24 For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU," just as it is written.
Romans 4:23 Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him,
Romans 13:5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
1223 διά on account of, by occasion of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of (that), by means of, by, for, through, with

Entry for Strong's #1223 - διά

c. of means 1. by 2. by the means of 2. through a. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done 1. by reason of

2. on account of 3. because of for this reason 4. therefore 5. on this account

1 of persons, thanks to, in Prose, by reason of, on account of, δ' ἡμᾶς Th. 1.41, cf. X. An. 7.6.33, D. 18.249; οὐ δι' ἐμαυτόν

2. of things, to express the Cause, Occasion, or Purpose freq. also with neut. Adjs., δ. τί; wherefore?; δ. τοῦτο, δ. ταῦτα on this account; δι' ὅ, δι' ἅ on which account; δ. πολλά for many reasons, etc.

with the genitive of thing, "by means of 1 Corinthians 11:12

2. of the reason or cause on account of which anything is or is done, or ought to be done; on account of, because of;

a. in the phrases διά τοῦτο, for this cause; for this reason; therefore; on this account; since this is so: Matthew 6:25; Matthew 12:27, 31; Matthew 13:13, etc.; Mark 6:14; Mark 11:24; Luke 11:49; Luke 14:20; John 6:65; John 9:23; Acts 2:26; Romans 1:26; Romans 4:16; Romans 5:12; Romans 13:6; Romans 15:9; 1 Corinthians 4:17; 1 Corinthians 11:10, 30; 2 Corinthians 4:1; Ephesians 1:15; Ephesians 5:17; Ephesians 6:13; Colossians 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 3:5, 7; 2 Thessalonians 2:11; 2 Timothy 2:10; Hebrews 1:9; Hebrews 2:1; 1 John 4:5; 3 John 1:10; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 12:12; Revelation 18:8. followed by ὅτι, for this cause ... because, therefore ... because: John 5:16, 18; John 8:47; John 10:17; John 12:18, 39; 1 John 3:1

of any other cause on account of which one is said to do or to have done something — as in Matthew 14:3, 9; Matthew 15:3, 6; John 4:39, 41; John 12:11; John 14:11; Acts 28:2; Romans 3:25 (διά τήν πάρεσιν τῶν προγεγονότων ἁμαρτημάτων because of the pretermission etc., i. e. because he had left the sins unpunished); Romans 6:19; Romans 15:15; 2 Corinthians 9:14; Galatians 4:13 (δἰ ἀσθένειαν τῆς σαρκός, on account of an infirmity of the flesh, i. e.

διά with the accusative of a person is often equivalent to for the benefit of (English for the sake of): Mark 2:27; John 11:42; John 12:30; 1 Corinthians 11:9; Hebrews 1:14; Hebrews 6:7 διά τούς ἐκλεκτούς, Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20; 2 Timothy 2:10; διά Χριστόν for Christ's sake, to promote his cause, 1 Corinthians 4:10; δἰ ὑμᾶς, John 12:30; 2 Corinthians 4:15; 2 Corinthians 8:9; Philippians 1:24; 1 Thessalonians 1:5. διά τινα, because of the example set by one: 2 Corinthians 2:10; Romans 2:24; 2 Peter 2:2; διά τόν Χριστόν, for Christ, to become a partner of Christ, Philippians 3:7 (equivalent to ἵνα Χριστόν κερδήσω, Philippians 3:8).

Thayer's Expanded Greek Definition, Electronic Database

2. C. acc; (i) rarely, as c. gen., through (Hom), δ . μέσον Σαμαρίας (ICC, in l; Bl., § 42, 1; Robertson, Gr., 581), Luke 17:11. (ii) by reason of, because of, for the sake of; (a) c. acc pers. (M, Pr., 105), Mark 2:27, John 6:57; John 11:42, Romans 8:20;

(b) c. acc rei, δ . φθόνον , Matthew 27:18, Mark 15:10; δ . φόβον , John 7:13; John 20:19; δ . ἀγάπην , Ephesians 2:4; δ . τοῦτο , freq., for this cause, therefore, Matthew 6:25, Mark 6:14, Luke 11:49, John 6:65, al.; id. seq. ὅτι , John 5:16; John 10:17, al.; δ . τί , why, Matthew 9:11; Matthew 9:14, Mark 2:18, John 7:45, al.; δ . τό , c. inf., Mark 5:4, Luke 9:7, James 4:2 Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament
 
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Dear he-man: you must pay more attention. If you persist in bolding all of your post you will continue to give us headaches, and we shall simply ignore the entire mess!

You need to focus on quietly contemplating the Source of the ta panta and the Goal of the ta panta. He will not give you a headache and will transform you from the inside out.

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you..."
 
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