Is baptism a requirement for salvation?

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Our covenant with God is by circumcision of the heart.
Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Water baptism, is an ordinance is done as an outward show of the inward work that is done to the heart. Anyone who loves Jesus will get water baptized to demonstrate that love, but if one were to die after believing yet not get baptized, he will still be saved. Was the thief on the cross water baptized? No. Yet Jesus said that he would be in Paradise with the Lord.
it is sad that one thinks God gets anyone to do an empty action with no meaning of power . of course he doesnt .. one become circumcised of heart through water baptism .. before crossing the red sea the Israelites were with the lord in the desert but they were still in Egypt . to come out of spiritual egypt they HAD to go through the waters .. those waters spoke of water baptism -it is not just an outward empty act .
it is because of such teaching that few believe what occurs in baptism and so get baptized in Unbelief .and do not benefit from the fullness of the intent of God
 
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the gospel message as laid out in full in acts chapter two ..
major points
Christ became flesh and died for our sin
rose again from the dead -any that believes will not perish .

evidence and action of belief

one MUST
1repent (no longer go their own way but go gods way_
2Be baptized for the washing away of sin -because that's Gods way he said DO IT.
3receive the holy Spirit


since the three main aspects of the obedient response to the Gospel are 1.repentance 2.baptism and 3,receiving the holy Spirit .
I have no idea How you conclude that water baptism is not a part of the Gospel message ALL the apostles faithfully preached without ever diverting from it .
You are wrong friend.
And it is the shed blood of Jesus Christ that washes away our sins.
If one needed to be baptized to be saved then it would be attached to EVERY GOSPEL VERSE.
It isn't.
If it were to be true then it indeed would be .
Faith in Jesus Christ saves, not faith in Jesus Christ and water baptism.
 
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You are wrong friend.
And it is the shed blood of Jesus Christ that washes away our sins.
If one needed to be baptized to be saved then it would be attached to EVERY GOSPEL VERSE.
It isn't.
If it were to be true then it indeed would be .
Faith in Jesus Christ saves, not faith in Jesus Christ and water baptism.
So Peter lied when he said "baptism is for the remission of sins" and that "baptism now saves you"?
 
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its part of the gospel message .. an integral MAJOR part .. and its not part of salvation.. ????
i assure you .. if you desire to be saved - DO as the lord Jesus . the one who saves , said to DO .

and your response to being questioned has revealed the answer . i asked you how many people you have shared the Gospel to ,led to repentance and baptized in water - and you response is.. " dont talk to me any more ! .. i mean i will be honest , i laughed .

everything you saying on the topic is intellectual theorizing . your not yet practicing the gospel are you.
don't worry you will .. i fully believe you desire to , So many people Do desire to . but the church system and the pastors have failed to equip people in HOW TO . they just equip them to serve inside a building on a Sunday and sing songs listen quietly and pay money .
sad .. but factual .
i had to leave the church system to begin DOING the Gospel . since i did we have seen many healed and repent and be baptized on both water and the holy Spirit .

(i can only respond based upon your response to m question )
You need to correct a lie that you stated in this quoted post of yours.

You stated that I said "don't talk to me anymore"!
I never said that.
Do you often say things and claim others said it?
 
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What you are saying is semi-Gnosticism. We are not saved spiritually alone. We are saved as total, tripartite beings, that is, body, soul, and spirit. You are taking one verse and making an entire teaching out of it, ignoring the rest of the Scriptures and the writings of the first Christians in this regard.

You are also ignoring the covenant when you reply. In order to enter into a covenant relationship, there must be a ceremony of "covenant cutting." What do you suggest that ceremony is which has taken place of circumcision if it is not baptism?
Of we are saved as a whole. But our bodies will still die. We will be given new glorified body when Jesus returns. The renewing of our mind is our discipleship in this life and how much we press into the Lord will determine our status in the glory.

I do not ignore the "first Christians" but they are not equal to Scripture. The early Church made many mistakes, of which I addressed this with you in earlier posts. If you have the new birth, Light of the East, then you are saved regardless of what else you think. If you don't have the new birth, then you are not even a Christian. I do not know what you have, but I am stating the truth.
 
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it is sad that one thinks God gets anyone to do an empty action with no meaning of power . of course he doesnt .. one become circumcised of heart through water baptism .. before crossing the red sea the Israelites were with the lord in the desert but they were still in Egypt . to come out of spiritual egypt they HAD to go through the waters .. those waters spoke of water baptism -it is not just an outward empty act .
it is because of such teaching that few believe what occurs in baptism and so get baptized in Unbelief .and do not benefit from the fullness of the intent of God
So say you. I disagree. This is a legalistic point of view, not one of grace. Those who know the grace of God will understand. Those who do not, embrace works.
 
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So say you. I disagree. This is a legalistic point of view, not one of grace. Those who know the grace of God will understand. Those who do not, embrace works.
i fully embrace GODS work.. baptism is commanded because of what GOD works in us through it .he didnt command it be done for no reason
 
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You are wrong friend.
And it is the shed blood of Jesus Christ that washes away our sins.
If one needed to be baptized to be saved then it would be attached to EVERY GOSPEL VERSE.
It isn't.
If it were to be true then it indeed would be .
Faith in Jesus Christ saves, not faith in Jesus Christ and water baptism.

be baptized for the remission of your sin .... - it is written- im not making it up
it is because of the blood of Christ which paid the price that this is available . but the command is to be baptized for the remission of sin .. - the lord is not joking about when he told us to be baptized .
 
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be baptized for the remission of your sin .... - it is written- im not making it up
it is because of the blood of Christ which paid the price that this is available . but the command is to be baptized for the remission of sin .. - the lord is not joking about when he told us to be baptized .
Please go back to post 284 and correct that.
 
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You need to correct a lie that you stated in this quoted post of yours.

You stated that I said "don't talk to me anymore"!
I never said that.
Do you often say things and claim others said it?
lol its not a lie .. its a misread ..

here is the quote ...
Excuse me? I never ever stated that you didn't need to get baptized .
I stated that it isn't a part of salvation as far as receiving salvation by faith (alone) in Jesus Christ.
So for you or anyone else who teaches that you must be baptized to be saved is a false teaching.

Baptism comes AFTER receiving salvation not before .
It is self-righteous for one to think he or she needs to be baptized to be saved.
And please refrain from talking at me .
As far as your last questions you need not worry .
My treasure is in The Kingdom not this God forsaken world.
I hope to have many crowns to give to Jesus Christ.

thats what you said . no one lied . iv observed some call people self righteous and say dont talk at me .. then they talk AT the person they say it to
. its not good to tell others not to do what one is doing themselves .

but it does not change the point - that was your response to my direct question.
and it displayed to me that your talking Sunday pew sitting church theories .
 
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This is called "The Sacrament of Confirmation" in the Roman Church.

We call it "The Sacrament of Confirmation" the CEC too. What I referencing in my post was the initial step, of course we must be faithful to the end.
 
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lol its not a lie .. its a misread ..

here is the quote ...


thats what you said . no one lied . iv observed some call people self righteous and say dont talk at me .. then they talk AT the person they say it to
. its not good to tell others not to do what one is doing themselves .

but it does not change the point - that was your response to my direct question.
and it displayed to me that your talking Sunday pew sitting church theories .
You have no credibility with me .
You did lie. There was NO misreading.
You stated something that I clearly did not say.
The sad part is you want own up to it.
SMH.
 
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sdowney717 said in post #245:

No one who is given to Christ by God will be lost.

[Quoted John 6:36-39]

John 6:37a applies only to initial salvation. For John 6:37b (like John 6:35b) apples only to those Christians who continue to believe (John 15:6, Hebrews 3:6,12,14), do good works (John 15:2a, Romans 2:6-8), and repent from any sins that they commit (Luke 13:3), to the end (Matthew 24:13, Hebrews 10:26-29). For Jesus Christ will ultimately cast out some Christians because of unrepentant sin (1 Corinthians 9:27), or unrepentant laziness (John 15:2a,6), or apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8), at the judgment of the Church by Jesus at His future, Second Coming (Luke 12:45-46, Matthew 25:26,30, Mark 8:35-38).

Also, regarding John 6:39, note that resurrection in itself does not assure a resurrection to eternal life. For people can be resurrected to damnation (John 5:29). This applies even to elect people. For even though they all get initially saved at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b, John 6:37a), and Jesus Christ will not physically lose any of them, but will physically resurrect all of them (John 6:39) at His future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23), some of them will be resurrected to damnation (John 5:29), to shame and everlasting contempt (Daniel 12:2), because of unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29), or unrepentant laziness (Matthew 25:26,30), or apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8). Also, at the subsequent resurrection, at the Great White Throne Judgment, those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be physically resurrected only to be judged and cast into the eternal suffering of the lake of fire and brimstone (Revelation 20:11-15).
 
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ExTiff said in post #246:

There are many who are similarly quarrelsome in the church today, concerning whether they want to be baptized by a male or a female minister, (as if only men can be a servant of Christ or minister to others). They are effectively saying "I follow only men."

Any Christian can baptize any other Christian, just as any Christian can bury any other Christian. For baptism is a kind of burial (Romans 6:4, Colossians 2:12).

But note that in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 the restrictions on women are the commandments of the Lord (1 Corinthians 14:36-37). And they are applicable in all congregations (1 Timothy 2:11-12). For they are based on the general principles of Eve being formed after Adam (1 Timothy 2:13), and Eve being deceived, and Adam not being deceived (1 Timothy 2:14).

But while the Lord forbids women to speak anything from their own minds in church meetings, such as asking questions (1 Corinthians 14:34-37), or teaching (1 Timothy 2:11-14), nothing requires that He forbids them to operate in the Spiritual gifts which involve speaking by the miraculous inspiration of God's Holy Spirit, such as prophesying, or speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:8-11). So women, like men, should be allowed to speak out loud in tongues in church meetings, one at a time, when a tongues-interpreter is present (1 Corinthians 14:27-28). And those women who are prophetesses (Acts 21:9; cf. Luke 2:36, Judges 4:4) should be allowed, like male prophets, to prophesy in church meetings (1 Corinthians 14:29).

Paul's writings are scriptures (2 Peter 3:16). And so they are infallible (2 Timothy 3:16). That some Christians might choose to ignore parts of them does not change this fact, just as some Christians choosing to ignore parts of what Jesus Christ taught in the Gospels (e.g. Matthew 5:39, Mark 10:11-12) does not change the fact that His teachings are infallible (2 Timothy 3:16).

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ExTiff said in post #256:

According to Paul we receive the Holy Spirit the moment we hear the full Gospel and believe it in faith. Gal.3:2.

Compare:

Acts 19:2 . . . Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? . . .

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Everyone, both Christians and non-Christians, has some minimal measure of God's Spirit, by which they are able to exist (Acts 17:28, Psalms 104:30), and have human consciousness (John 1:9). Christians have some greater measure of the Spirit, by which they are able to understand and believe the Bible (1 Corinthians 2:12-16, John 20:22, Luke 24:45-47). Christians who have received Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 11:16, Acts 19:2a,6) have an even greater measure of the Spirit, by which they are able to operate in one or more of the Spirit's gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-11). Because Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1,14), He has the Spirit in an infinite amount, beyond measure (John 3:34).

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ExTiff said in post #262:

13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Cor.12:13;

This shows that there is only one body of Christ, which consists of both Jewish and Gentile Christians.

It does not refer to Holy Spirit baptism, which occurs sometime subsequent to salvation (Acts 8:15-17), and which involves the Holy Spirit coming on a Christian in an empowering way (Luke 24:49, Acts 1:4-5, Acts 19:6, Acts 10:44-46), but rather refers figuratively to how the Holy Spirit has "immersed" (the meaning of "baptized") every Christian into the one body of Jesus Christ via every Christian having the one faith in Jesus Christ (cf. Ephesians 4:4-5).
 
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ItIsFinished! said in post #254:

To say one must be baptized to receive salvation or as a part of salvation is in fact self-righteous not opinion.

Note that it is the Bible which shows that in order to be saved ultimately, Christians must get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ's death for our sins (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6:3-11, Colossians 2:12, Galatians 3:27, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16).

ItIsFinished! said in post #254:

It is also stating that Jesus Christ isn't enough to save someone.

Baptism is all about bringing Christians into Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:27, Romans 6:3-11).

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ItIsFinished! said in post #282:

. . . it is the shed blood of Jesus Christ that washes away our sins.
If one needed to be baptized to be saved then it would be attached to EVERY GOSPEL VERSE.

Note that it wouldn't, just as His shed blood is not attached to every Gospel verse (John 3:16).

Also, note the importance of baptism in Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16.

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ItIsFinished! said in post #289:

Salvation always comes through faith and by God's grace.
Not of works.

Note that ultimate salvation comes through works (James 2:24, Romans 2:6-8, Matthew 7:21).
 
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David Cabrera said in post #255:

Paul said "one Lord, one faith and one Baptism", water baptism is always mentioned no "Baptism of the Holy Spirit".

Note that one thing can include multiple aspects, like how the Trinity is one God (Mark 12:29, John 10:30), and yet includes three Persons at the same time (Mark 1:9-11, Matthew 28:19). And Christian faith is one faith, and yet includes multiple core beliefs, such as that Jesus Christ not only suffered and died on the Cross for our sins, but also physically rose from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Similarly, while Christian baptism is one baptism (Ephesians 4:5), it includes two different aspects: water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 8:15-17, Acts 10:44-48).

David Cabrera said in post #255:

. . . no "Baptism of the Holy Spirit".

Note that there is. For:

Acts 1:5 . . . ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost . . .

Acts 11:16 . . . ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost . . .

Matthew 3:11 . . . he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost . . .

Mark 1:8 . . . he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost . . .

Luke 3:16 . . . he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost . . .

John 1:33 . . . the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost . . .

David Cabrera said in post #255:

How am I supposed to know that I am baptized by the Holy Spirit?

You will be able to operate in one of the Holy Spirit's gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-10), which operate in Christians who have received Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 19:6, Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46). For these gifts will not cease operating until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming. For 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 means that just as only when children become adults do they put away childish things, so only when Christians become perfect, when they see Jesus face to face at His Second Coming (1 John 3:2), will they no longer need Spiritual gifts such as prophecy, tongues, and the word of knowledge (1 Corinthians 12:8,10). During the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which will just precede Jesus' Second Coming (Matthew 24:29-31), are some in the Church going to reject the ministry of God's Two Witnesses because it will involve them prophesying and performing miracles (Revelation 11:3,6)?

Because Jesus Christ's Second Coming, like the preceding Tribulation, has not happened yet, all of the Holy Spirit's gifts are still operating in the Church today, in Pentecostal congregations, and in charismatic congregations, which can be of almost any denomination. God's Word commands Christians to operate in the Spiritual gifts when Christians come together (1 Corinthians 14:26-31). So congregations today should be careful not to quench the Holy Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19), by despising prophesyings (1 Thessalonians 5:20), or forbidding all speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:39). Tongues are one of the Spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-10) through which Christians can be regularly edified (1 Corinthians 14:4-5,12,26). Not all Holy Spirit-baptized Christians will speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:30), but almost all will (cf. Acts 19:6, Acts 10:45-46). For tongues are one of the Holy Spirit's lesser gifts (1 Corinthians 12:28; 1 Corinthians 14:5).

Different Christians receive different kinds of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:10). Some tongues are languages which people can understand (Acts 2:4,8), while other tongues are languages which people cannot understand (1 Corinthians 14:2), not even the speakers (1 Corinthians 14:14). Unintelligible tongues could include ancient human languages which are unknown to history, ancient human languages which are known to history but are not understood, and angelic languages (1 Corinthians 13:1). Unintelligible tongues are not useless, however. For when they are prayed or sung privately to God without interpretation (1 Corinthians 14:2,28), they edify the spirits of those who speak or sing them (1 Corinthians 14:4,14-15, Jude 1:20) to bless and thank God (1 Corinthians 14:16). And when unintelligible tongues are prayed or sung out loud in a congregation, and then Spiritually interpreted (1 Corinthians 12:10b-11), their interpretation edifies the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:5b,12-13,26). When Christians sing in tongues to God, they are singing the "spiritual songs" which the Bible distinguishes from psalms and hymns (Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16).

The Bible sets no restrictions on how much Christians can pray and sing to God in tongues out loud at home or silently in church (1 Corinthians 14:28) (just as regular praying can be done silently: 1 Samuel 1:13,17). Indeed, the apostle Paul prayed and sung to God in tongues in private more than anyone (1 Corinthians 14:18-19). But regarding church meetings, the Bible sets strict rules on speaking tongues out loud: They are not to be spoken out loud in church meetings unless there is someone present who can Spiritually interpret them to the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:28). And even when a tongues-interpreter is present, at the most only three people should in turn speak out loud in unknown tongues, which should then be interpreted to the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:27). Everyone who has received the gift of tongues should be praying for the separate gift of the interpretation of tongues, so that he or she can edify others (1 Corinthians 14:12-13; 1 Corinthians 12:10b).
 
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quote verse please - not mans religious opinion

It's not religious opinion, it's religious practice.
In NT times, when a man - the head of the household - did something, the whole of his household did too. So if a man sold himself as a slave, everyone else was in slavery too; if a male slave was set free, his family were too.

In Acts 16, a jailer and all his household, were baptised. True, Scripture doesn't say that this included babies, or children, but it doesn't say that it didn't.
They would not necessarily insisted on children having belief and understanding - Jewish males were circumcised at 8 days old without consent or being able to confess their faith. Children had few, or no, rights and did as they were told.

Accept it or not, infant baptism is a holy sacrament accepted by most mainstream churches.
 
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So Peter lied when he said "baptism is for the remission of sins" and that "baptism now saves you"?
We need to explain where the remission of sin is placed in the plan, and how it ultimately saves, make us a blessing to the world,

We have to understand that the writers often used different terms to say the same things. Flesh, Law, Old Covenant, water, for example, all mean the same.

Baptism is always by using water. John’s baptism was by water and so was the baptism of Christ. So saying “baptism by water” means baptism is by using water is tautological. Like saying “water baptism” is by water. Wake up and smell the coffee, baptism into the Holy Spirit is by water too.

The best way to explain this is to lay out the steps.

Baptism with Water (AKA John's Baptism)
Baptism with water is started off by the candidate believing that God could save from living a life serving self interest for earthly gains by serving Him for heavenly treasure based on the great works He did in destroying the hold selfish interest personifed by the term Egypt. Israel and the disciples showed they had done this by leaving Egypt, even though the abandoning of the disciples was not geographical dislocation but by leaving stuff that was linked to serving self.


God accepts the oath to loyalty and demonstrates His ability to lead the believer into blessings by intentionally creating dangerous situations like water and food shortages and then supplying the needful. This is called drinking from the Rock. The great works God does is different from what He did in Egypt. The disbelief there was from the forces that refuse to let the believer go and threat is felt by these forces. Now the forces of Egypt are within the candidate, and it resists the persuasion of God to trust Him to overcome the difficulties that lie ahead of the believer.


Baptism is the act of the People of God in recognising the non reversible decision to leave the old life, symbolised by the closing of the sea behind the candidate. It isn’t the act that leads to drinking from the Rock, edification of the believer. That drinking is accessed by belief in God’s promise. Tongues is one of the ways in which the believer is edified, the way his trust in God can be built up. Baptism opens entry into the Camp, the assembling together of believers, so that the revelations from God can be tested and accepted, also known as foot washing. Tongues, prophesies, interpretations will reveal by their content (wood and straw? or gold and precious materials?) if the speaker is “clean” or needs to bathe again.

When the believer has been exposed to enough of the evidence of God’s ability to save, God calls. Those who are not afraid will believe and will enter His Rest. Since we are talking about the Old Covenant, this means observing the minor as well as the more important points of the Law. The believer receives lifes provisions as well as safety from enemies. Those who do not believe face God’s wrath expressed in the withdrawal of those blessings. However, in the Old Covenant, there is no justification, removal of sin so that one can be in union with God and be a blessing to the world, by having the ability to persuade other to leave Egypt through the manifestation of God’s great works through the Holy Spirit. This Holy Spirit Rest Covenant will only be available when the promised seed is given. It is the Isaac to the Old Covenant’s Ishmael, which is the pedagogos, babysitter, protector, until Christ was sent.

Baptism with the Holy Spirit (and fire, AKA the baptism into Christ)
Baptism of the Holy Spirit is started off by the candidate believing that God can save from living a life serving self interest for earthly gains, by serving Him for heavenly treasure based on the great works He did by destroying the hold selfish interest, personified by the term Egypt, has on the believer. Israel and the disciples showed they had done this by leaving Egypt, even though the abandoning act of the disciples was not geographical relocation, but by leaving stuff that was linked to serving self.

God accepts the oath to loyalty and demonstrates His ability to lead the believer into blessings by intentionally creating dangerous situations like sicknesses and then healing the sick. This is called drinking from the Rock. The great works God does is different from what He did in Egypt. The disbelief there was from the forces that refuse to let the believer go, and the threat was felt by these forces. Now the forces of Egypt are within the candidate, and it resists the persuasion of God to trust Him to overcome the difficulties that lie ahead of the believer.

Baptism is the act of the People of God in recognising the non reversible decision to leave the old life, symbolised by the closing of the sea behind the candidate. It isn’t the act that leads to drinking from the Rock, edification of the believer. That drinking is accessed by faith, belief in God’s promise. Tongues is one of the ways in which the believer is edified, the way his trust in God can be built up. Baptism opens entry into the Camp, the assembling together of believers, so that the revelations from God can be tested and accepted, also known as foot washing. Tongues, prophesies, interpretations will reveal by their content (wood and straw? or gold and precious materials?) if the speaker is “clean” or needs to bathe again. Sometimes a second wash of the words Jesus speaks to us through preaching can make clear what the oath of loyalty was made about. The test is not if signs and wonders are present but if the message conveyed is to follow Christ or other gods. And there are no designated prophets, everyone receives revelations, because all are members of the same body.

When the believer has been exposed to enough of the evidence of God’s ability to save, God calls. Those who are not afraid will believe and will enter His Rest. Since we are talking about the new Covenant, this means observing the Law of Liberty and love, with freedom in how justice, mercy and faithfulness to God is expressed. The believer enters the real Promised Land, Christ as well has the provisions of life added on to him. Those who do not believe face God’s wrath expressed in the withdrawal of those blessings.

This is how, in the New Covenant, there IS justification, removal of sin, so that one can be in union with God and be a blessing to the world, by having the ability to persuade other to leave Egypt through the manifestation of God’s great works through the Holy Spirit.
 
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It's not religious opinion, it's religious practice.
In NT times, when a man - the head of the household - did something, the whole of his household did too. So if a man sold himself as a slave, everyone else was in slavery too; if a male slave was set free, his family were too.

In Acts 16, a jailer and all his household, were baptised. True, Scripture doesn't say that this included babies, or children, but it doesn't say that it didn't.
They would not necessarily insisted on children having belief and understanding - Jewish males were circumcised at 8 days old without consent or being able to confess their faith. Children had few, or no, rights and did as they were told.

Accept it or not, infant baptism is a holy sacrament accepted by most mainstream churches.
i agree scripture doesn't say they baptized babies or not .. so there is no grounds to include it ,as a baby cannot repent in order to obey the command.
also truth is not a democracy .just because the majority do something does NOT make it correct.
after all it is not the majority that get saved .. but the few.
one can follow the crowd and be lost . i will stick to following JESUS
 
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