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The church has seen the rise of the Charismatic movement since the last century and along with it the leaders espousing the message that God doesn't want His believers to be sick nor in poverty. This message is commonly referred to as the “Prosperity Gospel”.

As far as I am concerned, the promotion that “health and wealth” are entitled to all Christians is not only unbiblical but dangerous and subversive to the body of Christ, as I have experienced its destructive effects in my life first hand. I myself deal with two mental illnesses, bipolar illness and OCD, and am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. However, I am joyful in my awesome walk with the Lord and am squeaking by financially as God has proven to be faithful.

So I would like to hear from others their opinions about the “Prosperity Gospel” or any experiences with it. If someone would like to challenge my assertions feel free.
 

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Absolutely, they are misleading their flock. Scripture teaches rain falls on the just and the unjust Matt 5:45. Jesus lived humbly, he was in no way what so ever materialistic, nor was he interested in material gain. Our lives should be modelled on his. In saying that, there is nothing wrong with a Christian being blessed by Christ and having wealth like some seem to think. Money isn't evil, it's the love of money. 1Tim 6:10

The focus of Jesus, was on helping others, not "wealth and health".
 
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I don’t have much of a problem with it as I feel that a lot of tradition following fundamentalist religions can teach their followers to be self hating too easily. IMHO I think this is a backlash against that
 
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The church has seen the rise of the Charismatic movement since the last century and along with it the leaders espousing the message that God doesn't want His believers to be sick nor in poverty. This message is commonly referred to as the “Prosperity Gospel”.

As far as I am concerned, the promotion that “health and wealth” are entitled to all Christians is not only unbiblical but dangerous and subversive to the body of Christ, as I have experienced its destructive effects in my life first hand. I myself deal with two mental illnesses, bipolar illness and OCD, and am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. However, I am joyful in my awesome walk with the Lord and am squeaking by financially as God has proven to be faithful.

So I would like to hear from others their opinions about the “Prosperity Gospel” or any experiences with it. If someone would like to challenge my assertions feel free.

The message is meant to convert the ignorant to the Christian church by means of popular buzz words and religious slogans. Most people in the world may not have a college education, but they are capable of understanding a ploy when they see one. Sooner or later they abandon false promises and empty words.

They leave the church.

Church efforts to convince the poor and disenfranchised by means of suborning the gospel have been common. Refusal to buy into the prosperity gospel was in evidence as early as the late 1950's. Consequently certain Roman Catholic priests attempted to resynthesize it as a mixture of the gospel and Marxist ideology - known generally as Liberation Theology.

Variation exist as Black theology in America, Palestinian Liberation theology in the middle east and so on depending upon global geographic location. There is no room for Jesus Christ in any of it except perhaps as a minor footnote. It is widely recognized that the Liberation gospel is no longer a legitimate philosophy - in or out of the church.

The validity of the Prosperity Gospel as spiritual fly-paper has ended.

The one exception to this is America.

In the United States, the lazy man's gospel is full of buzz words and religious slogans. The practice is common and the tradition of it is now embedded in the church so deeply that Christians have abandoned any Biblical search for truth in favor of reiterating their favorite catch-phrase or buzz word. In most cases, American Christians have even forgotten the meaning of their favorite slogan and have to be reminded in sermons and popular books. The lie has taken root, but instead of causing growth has resulted in decline.(*)

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. - Adolph Hitler

The gospel of Jesus Christ remains the truthful bedrock upon which millions of people have based their relationship with God. Unfortunately truth is not popular in America today. Everything from retail commerce to politics to the evening news is saturated with lies. The weekly sermon in church is no exception. The gospel has been abandoned in favor of "happy talk" to fill seats (and donation baskets).

What does Our Lord see when He examines our country? I fear He will not like what He discovers.

It is time to repent of our sins and pet wickedness and to make peace with God in the name of Jesus Christ. THAT is the only valid truth yesterday today and forever.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....

(*) According to PEW & Gallup surveys, regular attendance in church defined as one visit per month has fallen in 2010 to 50% of 1950 levels. If the current trend continues, projected attendance will fall to 10% by 2050.
 
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The church has seen the rise of the Charismatic movement since the last century and along with it the leaders espousing the message that God doesn't want His believers to be sick nor in poverty. This message is commonly referred to as the “Prosperity Gospel”.

As far as I am concerned, the promotion that “health and wealth” are entitled to all Christians is not only unbiblical but dangerous and subversive to the body of Christ, as I have experienced its destructive effects in my life first hand. I myself deal with two mental illnesses, bipolar illness and OCD, and am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. However, I am joyful in my awesome walk with the Lord and am squeaking by financially as God has proven to be faithful.

So I would like to hear from others their opinions about the “Prosperity Gospel” or any experiences with it. If someone would like to challenge my assertions feel free.

Well I'd say it's not that you're totally wrong but you might not be totally right. I don't think one can make just a blank statement that prosperity or talking about it is wrong. It all depends who's doing the talking and what their motivations are.
 
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I don’t have much of a problem with it as I feel that a lot of tradition following fundamentalist religions can teach their followers to be self hating too easily. IMHO I think this is a backlash against that

Self-hating? Jesus called His followers to "deny themselves" with a willingness to be convicted of their sins by the Holy Spirit which often doesn't feel too good to our pride and desire to self-justify. While fundamentalism can easily cross over into legalism and hypocrisy, teaching rooted in sound doctrine does not pamper our pride.
 
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Well I'd say it's not that you're totally wrong but you might not be totally right. I don't think one can make just a blank statement that prosperity or talking about it is wrong. It all depends who's doing the talking and what their motivations are.

Believers are called to know sound doctrine well, and spiritual discernment is the hallmark of Christian maturity.

Paul instructed Timothy to "be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

And the writer of Hebrews, in addressing immature and undeveloped believers, stated -

"For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil". (Hebrews 5:13-14).

In other words, it's irrelevant what the motivation of the mislead teacher is - if it's wrong it's wrong and he/she needs to be corrected. James made it very clear of the greater responsibility and subsequent judgment that falls on teachers. Believers need to take personal responsibility for their walk and false teachers need to be rebuked accordingly; these measures are clearly explained in the epistles.
 
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The church has seen the rise of the Charismatic movement since the last century and along with it the leaders espousing the message that God doesn't want His believers to be sick nor in poverty. This message is commonly referred to as the “Prosperity Gospel”.

As far as I am concerned, the promotion that “health and wealth” are entitled to all Christians is not only unbiblical but dangerous and subversive to the body of Christ, as I have experienced its destructive effects in my life first hand. I myself deal with two mental illnesses, bipolar illness and OCD, and am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. However, I am joyful in my awesome walk with the Lord and am squeaking by financially as God has proven to be faithful.

So I would like to hear from others their opinions about the “Prosperity Gospel” or any experiences with it. If someone would like to challenge my assertions feel free.

The "prosperity gospel" has certainly been prosperous for the charlatans who preach it.

It reminds me of the early martyrs and confessors who were hauled out during the Roman persecutions. Not one of them as they were being dragged away said "don't worry about me, God wants me to be wealthy and prosperous", or even the worse heresy, "I'm gonna be raptured away and escape this tribulation".
 
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There is evident in scripture a divine bias for the poor.

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I don’t have much of a problem with it as I feel that a lot of tradition following fundamentalist religions can teach their followers to be self hating too easily. IMHO I think this is a backlash against that

Prosperity teachers and churches don't teach repentance. And that's the key to be being a believer. We need to repent our sins. It's the reason why our Saviour died on the cross. They are motivational speakers, and that's about it.
 
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the promotion that “health and wealth” are entitled to all Christians is not only unbiblical but dangerous and subversive to the body of Christ
Yes, I agree. Very dangerous physically, emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually.
 
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Prosperity teachers and churches don't teach repentance. And that's the key to be being a believer. We need to repent our sins. It's the reason why our Saviour died on the cross. They are motivational speakers, and that's about it.

Not only are they motivational speakers masked as Christians such as Joel Osteen, but they're false teaching yields false hope. When their followers don't gain wealth or experience recovery from ailments or chronic conditions, they lose faith in God and often abandon the faith.
 
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Not only are they motivational speakers masked as Christians such as Joel Osteen, but they're false teaching yields false hope. When their followers don't gain wealth or experience recovery from ailments or chronic conditions, they lose faith in God and often abandon the faith.
There is so much money being thrown around too. It gives the wrong impression with what being a Christian is all about. There's a real common theme these days that if God doesn't heal me then He's not real. You know, in suffering, as unfortunate as that sounds, is when we grow, learn and become closer to Jesus. Like Paul said, when I am weak I am strong. It's very sad all the millions of people being led astray by false teachers. Lots of believers are being deceived.
 
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Not only are they motivational speakers masked as Christians such as Joel Osteen, but they're false teaching yields false hope. When their followers don't gain wealth or experience recovery from ailments or chronic conditions, they lose faith in God and often abandon the faith.

It gets worse....

The advent of satellite technology in the 1980's led to the rise of the TV preacher and an explosion of false doctrine such as situational ethics, prosperity gospel, personal aggrandizement, etc. The result, according to theologians of the late 20th century, led to a de-legitimization of the gospel in the eyes of the secular world - the very world it is meant to reach with its message.

Revelations of sexual deviance among leaders of the Roman Catholic church have led to a serious breach of confidence in the integrity of every leader from the Pope to the neighborhood priest. We seldom or ever hear of such things happening in Protestant churches, which is an interesting situation all by itself.

The issues under current discussion on these pages focus on old news. What is new is that Christians, particularly main denominations, have bought into two heresies that threaten to destroy the remaining fabric of Christendom. These philosophies are; the New Age movement and Post-Modernism.

Post-Modernism is the use of subjective logic in evaluating scripture and one's own life. It basically states 'if it feels good, do it'. I must add that this is also preached and accepted among the entire spectrum of Reform Jews from liberal to conservative synagogues. It's not strictly a Christian aberration.

For instance, Jews will stand up with a copy of the Torah (God's Law) in one hand and embrace the gay lifestyle with the other. Christian churches, which until recently had expressed horror at Nazi crimes against humanity, now support the BDS movement with one voice - a movement dedicated to the ultimate extermination of Jews from Palestine.

Objective logic stands upon a strict adherence to an accepted standard such as the Ten Commandments. Discussions about moral ethics which use the Ten Commandments as a standard usually agree. Subjective opinion does not recognize any standard except personal points of view. Christians don't know the difference simply because they are not being trained and educated.

The New Age movement is a subtle effort to rename an old adversary of Christendom. It is occult philosophy with a cosmetic make-over. The church loves it and is embracing it with open arms. A few specific examples include children's movies such as Disney's "Wrinkle In Time" and Amblin Entertainments' "The House With A Clock In It's Walls". Both movies target children and portray occult themes liberally. Christian audiences don't know the difference simply because they are not being trained and educated.

Occult movies have been around a long time, but its only recently that the Christian community has embraced its themes in popular music. Hillsong, for example, is a popular group that supposedly promotes Christian buzz words albeit with moderate to heavy occult overtones. Don't take my word for it and don't reject my assertions out of hand. Google them.

Demonic symbolism is everywhere in Hillsong staging as well as in suggestive lyrics. A recent Hillsong Passion Play release on youTube attempted a revised version of Jesus Christ Superstar, but with Roman soldiers dressed as Nazi storm troopers, including close order military drill, and with lines spoken by Christ that made the Son of God look like a frenzied lunatic. As with the Broadway production, no mention of the risen Christ is made. The Christian audience doesn't know the difference simply because they are not being trained and educated.

International House of Prayer
is a mid-western based group that supposedly promotes Christian education, self-improvement seminars and leadership conventions. What they promote and teach is far from standard Biblical matter. Accusations of sexual exploitation and persecution of persons with formal Biblical training in large venues such as the Olsteen group are petty by comparison. Christians don't know the difference simply because they are not being trained and educated.

Following a study of the Qur'an and Islamic culture, I was shocked to hear references to Islam in a sermon delivered at a large local Baptist church by a substitute preacher.

Members of the congregation nodded approval like rows of plastic bobble-heads when in fact they had no idea what the man was saying or suggesting. Every speaker uses dramatic or comedic pauses in a presentation to enhance the topic or refresh the attention of the audience. These anecdotes are usually personal or based upon some application of Biblical principle. We have all been exposed to this and it's a standard practice in the secular world, in politics and in religious venues. The subject matter of the anecdotes I've heard was based upon Muslim theology, not Christian. I realized this because I'd just completed a study of it. The Christian audience didn't know the difference simply because they are not being trained and educated.

Christian theology is being warped by leadership as well.
Following a sermon on grace delivered by a Dean of a local Bible college, I heard the speaker advise the congregation to, "go out and sin this week that grace may abound."

Grace is given so that we may live sinless lives before God, not to justify licentiousness!

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

During a witness project in which I and a few companions entered a row of local biker bars I received a lesson in Christian morality. Inebriated men at the bar admitted they were sinners, but said they knew who they were and why they were there. Christians, they told me, have no idea why they're in church and don't behave accordingly.(*)

The church is now on a steep slope circling the drain of history. Only a remnant will survive the theological and demonic assault upon it. It is time for every Christian to be wise as serpents and innocent as sheep.

It is time to repent. The hour is late and rumors persist that the Master is nearly at the door.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....
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I must add that I wasn't assaulted or insulted by any of the customers of the bar.

On the other hand, I HAVE BEEN insulted by Christians for expressing an opinion about hypocrisy and deviant theology and I HAVE BEEN asked to leave a seminary because I refused to recant my faith in Jesus Christ and the Biblical principle that one must be saved.
 
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The church has seen the rise of the Charismatic movement since the last century and along with it the leaders espousing the message that God doesn't want His believers to be sick nor in poverty. This message is commonly referred to as the “Prosperity Gospel”.

As far as I am concerned, the promotion that “health and wealth” are entitled to all Christians is not only unbiblical but dangerous and subversive to the body of Christ, as I have experienced its destructive effects in my life first hand. I myself deal with two mental illnesses, bipolar illness and OCD, and am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. However, I am joyful in my awesome walk with the Lord and am squeaking by financially as God has proven to be faithful.

So I would like to hear from others their opinions about the “Prosperity Gospel” or any experiences with it. If someone would like to challenge my assertions feel free.
There is a prosperity gospel, but it is not the one that is typically preached. The problem arises when someone has believed what God has said without grasping the context. A typical verse is:

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. (1 Peter 2:24, 1984 NIV)

And there's various verses that support it, such as:

Praise the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits—who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases, (Psalms 103:2-3, 1984 NIV)

God has actually made promises for us for this life, such as can be seen in Mark 10:29-30, but the number of these is few. But they (and all of Scripture) reveal His heart, nature, and will. But one can't expect to receive from God "no matter what"—such as qualifying for the promise just before a person dies.

It is usually a bad sign when someone thinks they are entitled to anything from God. God promising something and being entitled to it are completely different things. The attitude of entitlement results in being demanding, but humility results in hoping and being willing to accept God saying "not yet."

Sin always has a hindering effect on God's promises. Such problems are not "at God's end," but at "our end," but people try blame God, because it really is incredibly painful to deeply accept one's own corruption (or one's family's, church's, or community's corruption).

And in fact, that is the source of the whole Prosperity Gospel. It is our nature to seek pain relief and seek acceptance and affirmation. The false Prosperity Gospel is perpetrated by and received by those who are in a lot of pain, whether they know it or not (sometimes more easily perceived by thinking of it as dysfunction or past psycho-emotional/spiritual damage). I've been there, and still am at times. It is a part of fallen human nature and is something that God can sanctify away over time.

People who are dying daily, that is, suffering (sometimes severely) daily to press forward with the work God has given them, do discover the promises of God are real—they are people who need God daily. Such a person may discover that worldly prosperity is actually harmful (it's in Scripture) to anyone that God has not specifically prepared for it. The true Prosperity Gospel is that IF one is fully devoted to the Lord, i.e.:

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ (Mark 12:30, 1984 NIV)

then you can ask God for whatever you need, not just physical healing or money, and he will give it to you. The catch is that as you mature spiritually those things decline in importance to you. You discover that you actually don't need them at all. What you need is a thriving relationship with God, who you learn makes sure you get all you need, frequently even before you ask for it. God is the beginning and end of all good things.
 
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