Endless tortures are deserved for any single sin?

LittleLambofJesus said:

Then how do you explain John 1:29/1 John 5:16?

John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of the God who takes away the sin of the world!

1 John 5:16
If any one may see his brother sinning a sin not unto death, he shall ask, and He shall give to him life to those sinning not unto death;
there is a sin to death, not concerning it do I speak that he may beseech;

Romans 5:12
because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death;
and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;

I found this passage rather interesting, as Jesus came from the tribe of Judah......

Jeremiah 17:1
The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, With the point of a diamond, Graven on the tablet of their heart, And on the horns of your altars,

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity.................

Luke16:28
for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' "

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!

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salt-n-light said:

What is there to explain, you just copy and pasting stuff. Again there’s no such sin as a single sin.Show me one that wouldn’t involved another.

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FineLinen said:

DEATH

"The Lord knows how to rescue/deliver the godly out of temptation and to reserve the unrighteous unto the day of judgement to be punished..." -2 Peter 2:9-


Punishment=Kolasis

Kolasis=

Correction.

Punishment.

Penalty.

Kolasis Rooted In Kolazo

Kolazo=

1. To lop or prune, as trees and wings.

2. To curb, check, restrain.

3. To chastise. To correct. Punishment .

4. To cause to be punished.

Correction=

Alteration that improves: An alteration that removes an error.

Punishment meant to improve: Punishment, especially meant to improve or reform the person punished.

Law treatment of offenders: The system of dealing with criminals by improvement, rehabilitation, parole, probation.

Treatment of a specific defect.

The act of offering an improvement to replace a mistake. Something substituted for an error.

A rebuke for making a mistake.

The act of punishing.

Removing of errors: The removing of errors from something or the indicating of errors in something.

The act or process of correcting.

Something that is substituted or proposed for what is wrong or inaccurate.

Rectification/ modification/ adjustment/ amending.

Amendation.

Rectification.

Rectification=

To set right. To correct.

To purify.

To correct by removing errors.

To adjust.

A quantity applied by way of correcting.

The act or process of correcting.

Something that is substituted or proposed for what is wrong or inaccurate.

Amendation.

To correct something or make something right.

The act of rectifying or the fact of being rectified.

To correct by calculation or adjustment.

To adjust.

To fix/ repair/ remedy/ amend/ correct/ redress/ put to right/ to straighten/ to reform/ to adjust something.

The act of amending, correcting or setting right that which is wrong or erroneous.

"Vessels of wrath fitted to destruction"

Fitted= Katartizo=

To mend what has been broken or rent.

To repair.

To complete/ put in order/ to arrange/ to adjust.

To make one what he aught to be.

" In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. "-C.S. Lewis

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Kaon said:

Yes, but where does the Word of God actually state that Salvation will be given to everyone?

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Kaon said:

We know that the Christ has made the Way for salvation for all - if it were possible. The Word of God has said several times that not everyone will be saved - even those who believed they were doing good things in His name.

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ICONO'CLAST said:

Sorry....you are badly mistaken.Every person ever born is not going to be saved..

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Kaon said:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23



And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. Luke 13:23-28



Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Matthew 25:1-12

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As I said, the Word of God is very explicit about this topic; this is just the canonical texts on the subject. And, note this is from the Word of God Himself.

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I have been asking for that for several posts; you keep showing me things Paul said; Paul is not the literal Living Word of God. The Word of God Himself was explicit about this topic.



Are you sure about that? So far, you haven't shown me one verse from the Word of God Himself that shows He has made the Way of Salvation for everyone. You have said some pretty interesting things about me, my faith and my beliefs without creating a substantive foundation to judge such a thing.

Where does the Most High God, and/or the Word of God Himself ever say that everyone will be saved?

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Kaon said:

Are you sure about that? So far, you haven't shown me one verse from the Word of God Himself that shows He has made the Way of Salvation for everyone. You have said some pretty interesting things about me, my faith and my beliefs without creating a substantive foundation to judge such a thing.

Where does the Most High God, and/or the Word of God Himself ever say that everyone will be saved?

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Pneuma3 said:

Already gave you 7 but here are a few more for your consideration.

1 Timothy 4:10

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.



1 John 4:14

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son the Saviour of the world.



1 Timothy 2:6

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.



1 John 2:2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.



Colossians 1:20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.



2 Corinthians 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.



Romans 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

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Ripheus27 said:

According to a moral standard that God could have made differently (if He is "sovereign" and moral laws are all His commands), and yet He must have loved us enough before we were made righteous, in order to come down to make us so: so why put Himself in this weird position in the first place?

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Dave L said:

All die in Adam who proved by his disobedience we are a corrupt species. But Hell has different levels of punishment according to a persons works (Luke 12:48).

But the good news is, Christ took the punishment for all who want to be saved. And let those who do not want to be saved suffer for their sins. “That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:15)

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Thee Librarian said:

Hell is nothing more than your regrets for for own life as you lived it.
You will be tormenting yourself. What worse punishment can their be
than understanding your own failings?

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Dave L said:

We can be in hell now in that case. But I think eternal suffering depicted by fire, gnawing our tongues for pain, and other symbols leave us feeling uneasy about the plight of many.

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Dave L said:

We can be in hell now in that case. But I think eternal suffering depicted by fire, gnawing our tongues for pain, and other symbols leave us feeling uneasy about the plight of many.

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