- Jun 18, 2014
- 30,521
- 16,866
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Messianic
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Others
Why does the author of Hebrews put it in the plural then? Heb 6.1.From the Christian POV, there is one baptism.
Upvote
0
Why does the author of Hebrews put it in the plural then? Heb 6.1.From the Christian POV, there is one baptism.
I've seen the question here time and again asking if baptism is necessary for salvation.
Aside from that, why would someone not want to get baptized?
Yes, I agree. But I know quite a few who would disagree because the Christening is done without the person's consent, so is not an active welcoming in of the Holy Spirit.
Yes, again. My current church does this. In my parents' church it was a "proper" Christening though, and they didn't do adult baptisms.
I read it and there is a baptism spoken of in each of those scriptures. I am listing them.When we read it, it is scripture....when we interpret it, it becomes Man's wisdom....
I have never been "baptized", though I was "christened" as a baby. This was entirely normal procedure for my family's church. The church I attend now does baptize adults, but I have never felt the need, and there has never been any pressure to.
so you agree we are discussing milk here correct? and that we need to move to meat eventually right?"Milk" is defined in scripture: Hebrews 6.1-3.
If the church happens to be one that opposes the baptism of infants, there is often a ceremony that is called a Dedication which is not a sacrament or substitute for Baptism. Of course, I don't know for certain what the case was in the church of your youth.
Teaching about ALL of the baptisms is definitely milk. (so is instruction in faith, repentance, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgement)so you agree we are discussing milk here correct?
ONLY milk. You need to have the milk down before you move on. (Heb 6.3) Then you can start to teach things beyond the milk."For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."
I read it and there is a baptism spoken of in each of those scriptures. I am listing them.
Again - is making a list "Man's wisdom? "
Almost every denomination that routinely practices infant baptism will (if pressed) also do adult baptisms. After all, adults come to faith also. My rabbi/pastor came to faith at age 41. Was he not supposed to get baptized?Some pietist churches like the Evangelical Covenant Church offer both, leaving it ultimately up to the family to decide, and without making judgments on the baptism of others.
I agree, and very few actually get pass Milk. Very few are able to receive it and bear it....Teaching about ALL of the baptisms is definitely milk. (so is instruction in faith, repentance, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgement)
ONLY milk. You need to have the milk down before you move on. (Heb 6.3) Then you can start to teach things beyond the milk.
In my experience, very few people get the milk right.
That does not make it false. 7 that I have found. There may be more.What if I said that I see 14 Baptisms, making your exclamation that their are 7, false?
There are filters in place to discern true and false revelations. The same goes for "reasoning and interpreting."What if the truth is only true when experienced, yet when discussed, becomes false because of the process of reasoning and interpreting?
Almost every denomination that routinely practices infant baptism will (if pressed) also do adult baptisms. After all, adults come to faith also. My rabbi/pastor came to faith at age 41. Was he not supposed to get baptized?
Correct. Christian water baptism is a funeral/burial of the old adamic nature which is killed at new birth. Paul is clear about that. There is a definite spiritual transaction that occurs. It is not just a symbolic act but has consequences in the spiritual realm.TO ALL:
The topic is water baptism.
Almost every denomination that routinely practices infant baptism will (if pressed) also do adult baptisms. After all, adults come to faith also. My rabbi/pastor came to faith at age 41. Was he not supposed to get baptized?
I've seen the question here time and again asking if baptism is necessary for salvation.
Aside from that, why would someone not want to get baptized?
Odd. How can one join a Church prior to baptism? Baptism does not make you a part of a denomination. It makes you a part of the Church. There is a reason some groups do not accept baptisms of other groups. It is not about denominations bit about what they include and negate in the baptism.When I accepted Jesus, I was not attending a organized church and had not had much exposure to christianity. I was compelled by the Holy Spirit to get baptized big time. I went to several churches and all of them said I would need to be a member of their church to get baptized. I did finally find one that didn't have that requirement. If I had not found one .... I might not have gotten baptized, I'm not sure, but really, probably not, I would have sought someone else out ... but it could be a reason for someone not to want to ... or perhaps put it off for quite a while. I was accepting Jesus as my savior, not applying for church membership.
Besides that Jesus didn't get baptized in a "church"
I couldn't believe it .... here I was having this powerful experience and I knew it was real and ... all I got was ... no sorry ... have to be a member ???
God Bless.
Odd. How can one join a Church prior to baptism? Baptism does not make you a part of a denomination. It makes you a part of the Church. There is a reason some groups do not accept baptisms of other groups. It is not about denominations bit about what they include and negate in the baptism.
My Church usually does not accept outside baptisms but we do not claim they are invalid. We simply baptize and then we know it is valid.
Because we do not know how it was done. If a group believes it is "just a sign to other believers", we would not see it as valid. It is a sacrament. We make no claim as to who is not of the Church but we also make no claim to who is outside of our Church."My Church usually does not accept outside baptisms" .... why not?