Discussion - Earth calamities and Rumors of war

jgr said in post #61:

Rookie mistake; you ignored the tense.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Present tense when Paul wrote. They await nothing.

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Note that we await our physical resurrection (Romans 8:23-25), which promise is made possible in Christ (1 Corinthians 15:22-23).

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jgr said in post #62:

[Re: Daniel 9:24]

Did Christ bring in everlasting righteousness at Calvary?

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Of course (Matthew 26:28).

Who says that He didn't?

But regarding Daniel 9:24's "to seal up the vision and prophecy", it can include reference to how the Spiritual gifts of vision and prophecy (Joel 2:28; 1 Corinthians 12:10-11), like some other gifts of God's Holy Spirit, will stop operating after Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 13:8-12, Zechariah 13:3-6). For the original Hebrew word (chatham: H2856) translated as "to seal up" in Daniel 9:24 can mean "to make an end", just as the same word is used earlier in Daniel 9:24 in the phrase: "to make an end [chatham] of sins".

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Also, regarding 2 Corinthians 1:20, we also await the Millennial reign of Christ (Revelation 20:4-6), which He will make possible at His future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

For note that there are at least eight Biblical reasons to read the 1,000 years (the Millennium) of Revelation 20:2-6 as not beginning until after Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming in Revelation 19:7-21.

First, this is in accord with how the rest of Revelation chapters 6 to 22 are in chronological order, insofar as the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will begin with the events of the second through sixth seals, occurring in the order shown in Revelation 6:3-14. After the events of the sixth seal, Revelation 7 will occur. Then the seventh seal will be unsealed, and out of it will come the Tribulation's seven trumpets (Revelation 8:1-6). Then the events of the first six trumpets in Revelation 8:7 to Revelation 9:21 will occur in the order shown there. Then Revelation 10 will occur. Then the literal 3.5 years of the future Antichrist's worldwide reign will occur, which time period is shown from four different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13).

Then the seventh trumpet will sound, announcing the legal end of the future Antichrist's reign (Revelation 11:15). Out of the seventh trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the seven plagues of the seven vials (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the Tribulation's final stage. Then the events of the seven vials will occur in the order shown in Revelation 16. Jesus Christ's Second Coming will occur right after the seventh-and-last vial (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), and He will rapture and marry the Church at that time (Revelation 19:7). Then He Himself will completely defeat the world's armies (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3), and reign on the earth with the physically resurrected Church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). Then the events of Revelation 20:7 to Revelation 22:5 will occur in the order shown there.

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Second, the 1,000 years in Revelation 20:2-6 are when Satan will be literally bound with a chain and cast into and locked within the literal Bottomless Pit, whereas currently he is walking about freely on the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8). So the 1,000 years cannot have started yet. But their beginning after Jesus' Second Coming makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Third, during the 1,000 years, Satan will not be able to deceive the world (Revelation 20:3), whereas currently he is able to deceive the world (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Corinthians 11:3,14-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 13:14, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10). So the 1,000 years cannot have started yet.

Fourth, the defeat of Satan in Revelation 20:1-3 is in chronological accord with the immediately preceding defeat of the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), and his False Prophet, and all of the armies of the world, at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:19-21). Indeed, there is no chapter break between Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 in the original-Greek manuscripts. So Revelation 19:19 to 20:3 can be taken together as a unit, showing how every power of evil on the earth will be defeated at Jesus' Second Coming.

Fifth, reading Revelation 20:4-6 as Jesus Christ and the bodily resurrected Church reigning first on the present earth (not the New Earth) after His future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches Jesus reigning first on the present earth (not the New Earth) after His Second Coming in Zechariah 14:3-21. For Zechariah 14:8-21 cannot be referring to the New Earth (of Revelation 21:1-3), because Zechariah 14:8-21 refers to a temple building in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:20-21), whereas there will be no temple building in New Jerusalem on the New Earth (Revelation 21:22). Also, Zechariah 14:8-21 cannot be referring to the New Earth, because it refers to surviving non-Christians from the present earth being forced to come up to worship the returned Jesus in Jerusalem during the Millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19), whereas by the time of the New Earth, as in a new surface for the earth, all non-Christians from the present earth will have been cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15 to 21:8).

Sixth, reading the "first resurrection" in Revelation 20:4-6 as the physical resurrection of the Church at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches other verses which show that the physical resurrection of the Church will occur at the Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16).

Seventh, reading the "first resurrection" in Revelation 20:4-6 as the physical resurrection of the Church at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming is in line with Revelation 20:5, which must refer in its entirety only to physical resurrection. For not every dead person is going to be figuratively resurrected in the sense of becoming saved (Revelation 20:15). And Revelation 20:5 means that the rest of the dead (that is, all of the non-Church dead of all times) will be resurrected in the same manner that the Church will be resurrected in Revelation 20:4-6, but the rest of the dead will not be resurrected until sometime after the 1,000 years.

Eighth, reading the "first resurrection" in Revelation 20:4-6 as the physical resurrection of the Church at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming is in line with Revelation 20:4, which shows that the people in the "first resurrection" will include those in the Church who will have been beheaded by the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") for not worshipping him or his image, or receiving his mark on their hand or forehead. This refers back to the details of Revelation 13:4-18, which have never been fulfilled. So the "first resurrection" cannot have happened yet. But its occurring at Jesus' Second Coming, when He will defeat the Antichrist, makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:20 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9).

jgr said in post #64:

We await physical resurrection, but we don't await its promise, which is ours now in Christ (2 Corinthians 1:20).

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Of course.

Who has said differently?

jgr said in post #64:

Chuck Missler on Daniel 9:24: “The scope of this prophecy includes a broad list of things which clearly have yet to be completed.”

Bro. Missler is representative of the overwhelming majority of recognized professing futurists. You should make yourself aware of more of them. Or not.

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What scriptures does he refer to, so we can see what they say?

jgr said in post #64:

If Christ fulfilled and accomplished everything in Daniel 9:24 at Calvary--and He did--then the sealing up of vision and prophecy is included in those fulfillments and accomplishments; and does not await the future.

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Not in the sense of "making an end" of the Spiritual gifts of vision and prophecy.

For the Holy Spirit's gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-10), which operate in Christians who have received Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 19:6, Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46), will not cease operating until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming. For 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 means that just as only when children become adults do they put away childish things, so only when Christians become perfect, when they see Jesus face to face at His Second Coming (1 John 3:2), will they no longer need Spiritual gifts such as prophecy, tongues, and the word of knowledge (1 Corinthians 12:8,10). During the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which will just precede Jesus' Second Coming (Matthew 24:29-31), are some in the Church going to reject the ministry of God's Two Witnesses because it will involve them prophesying and performing miracles (Revelation 11:3,6)?

Because Jesus Christ's Second Coming, like the preceding Tribulation, has not happened yet, all of the Holy Spirit's gifts are still operating in the Church today, in Pentecostal congregations, and in charismatic congregations, which can be of almost any denomination. God's Word commands Christians to operate in the Spiritual gifts when Christians come together (1 Corinthians 14:26-31). So congregations today should be careful not to quench the Holy Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19), by despising prophesyings (1 Thessalonians 5:20), or forbidding all speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:39). Tongues are one of the Spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-10) through which Christians can be regularly edified (1 Corinthians 14:4-5,12,26). Not all Holy Spirit-baptized Christians will speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:30), but almost all will (cf. Acts 19:6, Acts 10:45-46). For tongues are one of the Holy Spirit's lesser gifts (1 Corinthians 12:28; 1 Corinthians 14:5).

Different Christians receive different kinds of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:10). Some tongues are languages which people can understand (Acts 2:4,8), while other tongues are languages which people cannot understand (1 Corinthians 14:2), not even the speakers (1 Corinthians 14:14). Unintelligible tongues could include ancient human languages which are unknown to history, ancient human languages which are known to history but are not understood, and angelic languages (1 Corinthians 13:1). Unintelligible tongues are not useless, however. For when they are prayed or sung privately to God without interpretation (1 Corinthians 14:2,28), they edify the spirits of those who speak or sing them (1 Corinthians 14:4,14-15, Jude 1:20) to bless and thank God (1 Corinthians 14:16). And when unintelligible tongues are prayed or sung out loud in a congregation, and then Spiritually interpreted (1 Corinthians 12:10b-11), their interpretation edifies the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:5b,12-13,26). When Christians sing in tongues to God, they are singing the "spiritual songs" which the Bible distinguishes from psalms and hymns (Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16).

The Bible sets no restrictions on how much Christians can pray and sing to God in tongues out loud at home or silently in church (1 Corinthians 14:28) (just as regular praying can be done silently: 1 Samuel 1:13,17). Indeed, the apostle Paul prayed and sung to God in tongues in private more than anyone (1 Corinthians 14:18-19). But regarding church meetings, the Bible sets strict rules on speaking tongues out loud: They are not to be spoken out loud in church meetings unless there is someone present who can Spiritually interpret them to the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:28). And even when a tongues-interpreter is present, at the most only three people should in turn speak out loud in unknown tongues, which should then be interpreted to the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:27). Everyone who has received the gift of tongues should be praying for the separate gift of the interpretation of tongues, so that he or she can edify others (1 Corinthians 14:12-13; 1 Corinthians 12:10b).

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Besides getting water baptized, Christians can get Holy Spirit baptized (Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46). They usually have to ask to receive the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13b) baptism, for it is usually not given to them automatically at the moment that they become Christians. That is why the apostle Paul at one point asked some Christians: "Have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed?" (Acts 19:2).

Christians usually receive Holy Spirit baptism through prayer accompanied by the laying on of hands, subsequent to water baptism (Acts 8:15-17, Acts 19:5-6). Holy Spirit baptism will not result in the speaking in tongues for everyone (1 Corinthians 12:30), but for almost everyone, as tongues are one of the Spirit's lesser gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-11,28; 1 Corinthians 14:5). Many Christians have not yet experienced Holy Spirit baptism simply because they have not yet asked for it, under the principle of: "ye have not, because ye ask not" (James 4:2b). Many Christians have not yet asked for it because they have come under the influence of mistaken teachings which say that it is no longer in effect. Christians can get hands laid on them to receive Holy Spirit baptism at any Pentecostal-type congregation, or at any charismatic-type congregation, which can be of almost any denomination.

jgr said in post #64:

[Re: Daniel 9:24]

Those who futurize this verse miss the blessings which the recognition and understanding of its promises in Christ bestow.

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What blessings do they miss?

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jgr said in post #68:

Ezekiel 34:11-16 is another passage of the promises of God.

They were and are fulfilled "yes and amen" in Christ (2 Corinthians 1:20). No waiting required.

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Ezekiel 34:11-16 can refer to after Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, at the start of the Millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6), when He will gather to Israel all of the surviving, elect genetic Israelites from around the world who did not become Christians before His Second Coming. Compare also what Ezekiel 20:34-38 says.

In Ezekiel 34:12, the cloudy and dark day could be a figurative reference to the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. And note that afterward, here "he is among his sheep". That is, "he" (Jesus Christ) has returned. Compare what Matthew 24:29-31 says.

jgr said in post #73:

Daniel 9:24 uses the sense of affixing a seal of validation and authentication, through fulfillment, in reference to vision and prophecy.

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Note that Daniel 9:24 does not require only the sense of fulfillment. For in Daniel 9:24, "to seal up the vision and prophecy" can include reference to how the Spiritual gifts of vision and prophecy (Joel 2:28; 1 Corinthians 12:10-11), like some other gifts of God's Holy Spirit, will stop operating after Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 13:8-12, Zechariah 13:3-6). For the original Hebrew word (chatham: H2856) translated as "to seal up" in Daniel 9:24 can mean "to make an end", just as the same word is used earlier in Daniel 9:24 in the phrase: "to make an end [chatham] of sins".

Also, Daniel 9:24 does not mean that every Biblical vision and prophecy was fulfilled by Christ as His first coming.

For Zechariah 14, for example, is about Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming with all of His saints (Zechariah 14:5b; 1 Thessalonians 3:13b), in the sense of all Christians of all times; and about the subsequent Millennium, when Jesus will rule the earth from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:8-21, Micah 4:1-4). Zechariah 14:3 refers to the Second-Coming battle of Revelation 19:19-21. And Zechariah 14:4 shows that at Jesus' Second Coming, He will physically land on the Mount of Olives, just as at the end of His first coming, He physically ascended from the Mount of Olives. Acts 1:11-12 says that Jesus will return in like manner as He left.

Before Jesus Christ returns, at the very end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 the world's armies will gather at a staging area at Armageddon (Revelation 16:14,16) (Har Megiddo, Mount Megiddo in northern Israel). They will then move south and pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus returns and totally defeats them (Zechariah 14:2-5, Revelation 19:19-21). Jesus will then remain on the earth as King (Zechariah 14:9), and the non-Christians left alive on the earth (Matthew 24:40) will be forced to come up to Jerusalem and worship Him annually (Zechariah 14:16-19). Jesus and the physically resurrected Church will rule the non-Christian survivors of the nations with a rod of iron during the Millennium (Revelation 2:26-29, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:4-6).

Also, Zechariah 12:2-14 refers to the same future time as Zechariah 14.

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It is sometimes claimed that Zechariah 14 was fulfilled at Jesus Christ's first coming. But Jesus' first coming was not the Day of the Lord (Zechariah 14:1), for that will not begin until His future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2). Also, Jesus' first coming did not occur right after Jerusalem had been pillaged by all nations gathered against it (Zechariah 14:2-5). Also, at His first coming, Jesus did not fight against all nations (Zechariah 14:3,2), and then land on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4). It will be at His Second Coming that Jesus will fight against all nations (Revelation 19:11-21), and then land on the Mount of Olives, just as He had ascended from the Mount of Olives at the end of His first coming (Acts 1:11-12).

Also, at His first coming, Jesus Christ did not split the Mount of Olives in two (Zechariah 14:4), creating a valley through which the Jews in Jerusalem could flee from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:5) as Jesus waged war against all of the nations of the world, who had just pillaged Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:2-5). Also, at Jesus' first coming, He did not come with all of the saints (Zechariah 14:5b), in the sense of all Christians of all times. That will happen only at His future, Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 3:13b). Also, at Jesus' first coming, He did not make it so that Jerusalem was light at night (Zechariah 14:6-7). And He did not make water flow out from Jerusalem in summer and winter, with half of the water flowing toward the Dead Sea and the other half flowing toward the Mediterranean Sea (Zechariah 14:8). And He did not make Himself King over the whole earth (Zechariah 14:9). And He did not flatten the topography for miles around Jerusalem and raise its elevation (Zechariah 14:10). And He did not make it so that Jerusalem would not be destroyed (Zechariah 14:11). And He did not send an amazingly rapid, flesh-eating plague against the armies who had just pillaged Jerusalem, so that their flesh consumed away while they stood on their feet (Zechariah 14:12).

Also, at His first coming, Jesus Christ did not cause armies who had just pillaged Jerusalem to fight against each other (Zechariah 14:13). And He did not make Judah fight at Jerusalem and win for itself the wealth of the nations surrounding it (Zechariah 14:14). And He did not make transportation animals used by armies who had just pillaged Jerusalem suffer the horrible flesh-eating plague (Zechariah 14:15,12). And non-Christian survivors of all of the nations who had just pillaged Jerusalem did not come to Jerusalem annually at the feast of tabernacles to worship Jesus (Zechariah 14:16). And He did not send drought and plague against the nations who refused to come to Jerusalem to worship Him (Zechariah 14:17-19).

Also, at His first coming, Jesus Christ did not make Jerusalem so holy that even the bells on the horses in Jerusalem had the words: "Holiness Unto YHWH" engraved on them (Zechariah 14:20). And He did not make it so that the animal-sacrifice boiling pots in the temple in Jerusalem became as holy as the bowls before the altar (Zechariah 14:20). And He did not make it so that every pot in Jerusalem and Judah became holiness to YHWH (Zechariah 14:21). Instead, at His first coming, Jesus left non-Christian Jerusalem spiritually desolate (Luke 13:35). Also, at His first coming, Jesus did not make it so that there would be no more Canaanites in the temple in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:21).

jgr said in post #73:

Awe. Gratitude. Inspiration. Encouragement. Blessings alien to futurism.

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How are they alien?

jgr said in post #73:

Not according to Christ's declarations:

John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd.
John 10:9,16 “I am the door.
Luke 19:10 “for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”

Every declaration an extant reality when He spoke.

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Note that none of Christ's declarations require that He fulfilled Ezekiel 34:11-16 at His first coming.

jgr said in post #73:

One hundred sheep, safe and happy, glad that Jesus wasn't a futurist.

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Note that He was (Revelation 4:1b).

jgr said in post #77:

This does not mean that vision and prophecy ceased -- both continue to appear in the NT (Acts 2:17; 2 Corinthians 12:1; Romans 12:6; 1 Corinthians 12:10,28) -- but that Christ affixed His fulfillment of them (Luke 24:44) as His seal of validation and authentication upon them.

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Regarding Luke 24:44, note that it does not say that Jesus Christ fulfilled at His first coming everything prophesied in the Old Testament regarding Him, but that everything prophesied in the Old Testament regarding Him must be fulfilled. For Jesus did not fulfill, for example, Zechariah 14 at His first coming. But because it must be fulfilled, He will fulfill it at His future, Second Coming, along with all of the other Old Testament prophecies which He did not fulfill at His first coming (e.g. Micah 4:1-4, Isaiah 19:18-25).

So even the similar Acts 13:29 must refer only to all that was written in the Old Testament regarding Jesus Christ's suffering and dying for our sins (e.g. Isaiah 53, Psalms 22). Indeed, Acts 13:29 was even before Jesus had resurrected on the third day after His death, which resurrection was also written of Him in the Old Testament (e.g. Acts 26:22-23, Psalms 16:10, Hosea 6:2).

jgr said in post #77:

The entirety of Daniel 9:24 was fulfilled by Christ at His first coming.

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And there could also be a future fulfillment of it.

For the similar: "I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day" (Zechariah 3:9) will be fulfilled at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Isaiah 4:4-6).

And He will also build a fourth temple in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the Church during the future Millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the second temple served for the Church in the first century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

jgr said in post #77:

The entirety of Daniel 9:24 was fulfilled by Christ at His first coming.

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Note that a Bible verse can include two different fulfillments at the same time. For example the "son" in Hosea 11:1b referred to the nation of Old Covenant Israel (Exodus 4:22) and its Exodus from Egypt. Also, at the same time, the "son" in Hosea 11:1b foretold an event in the life of Jesus Christ at His first coming (Matthew 2:14-15,19-21).

Similarly, regarding the "abomination of desolation", Daniel 11:31 was typically fulfilled by the abomination of desolation in 1 Maccabees 1:54, which occurred in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the second Jewish temple in Jerusalem in the time of Antiochus IV Epiphanes. But per Jesus Christ's statement in Matthew 24:15, the Church will see the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 fulfilled (antitypically) in the future when the Church will see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place (of a future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem).

Similarly, in Daniel 9:26 the original Hebrew word (H3772) translated as "cut off" can refer to when a peace treaty/covenant is "made" (Genesis 21:27). The first century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a was at the Crucifixion, when the true Messiah, Jesus, made the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:15-17). But a future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a will be when the Antichrist makes a peace treaty, which will be a fulfillment of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 and the league in Daniel 11:23, with a future, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" in Jerusalem, after he and his followers are militarily defeated by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:22-23). So this future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a can refer to this false Messiah being "cut off" in the sense of being "covenanted", peace-treatied.

jgr said in post #77:

Futurism's allegations:

John 10:11 “I someday will be the good shepherd.
John 10:9,16 “I someday will be the door.
Luke 19:10 “for the Son of Man someday will come to seek and to save that which was lost.”

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Who has alleged that?

jgr said in post #77:

[Re: Jesus was a futurist (Revelation 4:1b)]

No mention of sheep.

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Why would sheep have to be mentioned there?

But if by sheep you mean Christians, note that just as Jesus Christ's Second Coming in Revelation 19:7 to 20:3 has always been relevant to Christians, despite the fact that it has not yet been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled almost entirely literally in our future, so the highly detailed and chronological events of the just-preceding Tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 to 18, and the subsequent Millennium and other events in Revelation chapters 20 to 22, have always been relevant to Christians, despite the fact that they have not yet been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled almost entirely literally in our future.

To put it another way, the future fulfillment of the Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, before Jesus Christ returns immediately after the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), should be relevant to every Christian, regardless of whether or not he thinks that he will still be alive to go through the Tribulation; just as, for example, the past fulfillment of Genesis chapters 1 to 11 should be relevant to every Christian, regardless of him not being alive at that time to experience it. For all parts of the Bible, regarding all times, are profitable to all Christians of all times (2 Timothy 3:16, Matthew 4:4).

Also, the future fulfillment of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 should be especially relevant to every Christian alive today. For the main reason that the Bible gives clear warning ahead of time about everything that Christians alive at the time of the Tribulation will have to face (Mark 13:23, Revelation chapters 6 to 18, Revelation 1:1, Revelation 22:16), before Jesus Christ returns immediately after the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), is so that Christians can be better prepared mentally not to be blindsided (1 Peter 4:12-13) or deceived by anything that is coming (Matthew 24:4-5,23-25, Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), and so that they can be better prepared mentally to endure the future Tribulation with patience and faith to the end (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6), and not commit apostasy during the Tribulation (Isaiah 8:21-22, Matthew 24:9-13, Matthew 13:21), to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12).

jgr said in post #79:

Luke 18:31
Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

All concerning Christ was fulfilled.

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All concerning Christ was fulfilled regarding His first coming (Isaiah 53), but not His Second Coming (Zechariah 14).

For Jesus Christ will return "in like manner" as He ascended (Acts 1:11b), in that just as at the end of His first coming, He was seen by literal eyes to ascend physically from the Mount of Olives into a literal cloud and on into heaven (Acts 1:9,12, cf. Luke 24:39), so at His future, Second Coming, He will be seen in literal clouds by literal eyes (Revelation 1:7, Matthew 24:30) to physically descend from heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and set His feet on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:3-21).

jgr said in post #79:

[Re: Daniel 9:24]

Nowhere does Christ say that it will be fulfilled again.

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It will be, at His Second Coming (Zechariah 14).

jgr said in post #79:

There will be no rebuilt temple.

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There will be (Zechariah 14:20-21).

jgr said in post #79:

Hosea 11:1 as it related to the people of Israel was not a prophecy nor a fulfillment; it was an historical record written long after the event. As it related to Christ, however, it was a prophecy with a fulfillment, explicitly declared as such in Matthew 2:14,15. There was thus only one fulfillment.

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There was a dual meaning. So, in the Bible, the same verse can refer to two different events separated in time.

jgr said in post #79:

It was Messiah who was cut off (Daniel 9:26a), not a covenant.

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In Daniel 9:26 the original Hebrew word (H3772) translated as "cut off" can refer to when a peace treaty/covenant is "made" (Genesis 21:27).

jgr said in post #79:

A false messiah does not exist in the passage except by imagination.

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It's by comparison with other verses (Daniel 11:22-23).

For in a future, antitypical fulfillment of Daniel 11:22-23, it can refer to two different future leaders: the Antichrist and an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" in Jerusalem. That is, Daniel 11:22-23 can mean: "with the arms of a flood [an overwhelming armed attack] shall they [the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem] be overflown from before him [the Antichrist], and shall be broken [defeated]; yea, also the prince of the covenant [an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" claiming to rule under the Old Covenant Mosaic law]. And after the league made with him [the ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah", cf. Daniel 9:26a] he [the Antichrist] shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people".

This "small people" could be the numerically-small Druze Arab people (of whom the future Antichrist could be one), and/or the numerically-small, yet very powerful, Gnostic Luciferians, also called Satanists (of whom the Antichrist is one), who are networked by a worldwide secret society, and who currently hold some very high positions of power in the world's top corporations, banks, intelligence agencies, federal law enforcement agencies, military branches, and the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the world's governments. While some of these people may already be in the highest positions, many could be strategically placed in the number-two and/or number-three positions, so that they can quickly take control when the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast) comes into worldwide power (Revelation 13:7-18), by them murdering those who are now in the highest positions (such as by lacing their coffees with drugs which cause heart attacks, but which leave no residue detectable in autopsies).

jgr said in post #79:

No covenant is made; an existing covenant (Matthew 26:28) is confirmed.

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Again, in Daniel 9:26 the original Hebrew word (H3772) translated as "cut off" can refer to when a peace treaty/covenant is "made" (Genesis 21:27).

This treaty will allow a false "Messiah" and his followers to keep a third Jewish temple which they will have built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount (after they and/or great earthquakes have destroyed the Muslim structures there), and to (mistakenly) continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of the temple for at least seven years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims so that they can rebuild the (by that time destroyed) Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. After "cutting" this peace treaty (Daniel 9:26a), the future Antichrist could appear before the "many" (Daniel 9:27) nations represented at the U.N. General Assembly, and "confirm" (Daniel 9:27) that for at least seven years he will keep this treaty with the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, using this as purported proof to the world that he is (in his words) "a man of peace, and no Hitler".

In Daniel 9:27, "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" refers to when, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty of Daniel 9:26a,27a and Daniel 11:23a, the future Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the third temple, and stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices.

When Daniel 9:27 says: "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate", this is the same as "the abomination that maketh desolate" in Daniel 11:31, when the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will make a future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem spiritually desolate by placing a (possibly android) image of himself (Revelation 13:15) in the holy place of the temple (Matthew 24:15) to be worshipped, and by sitting himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaiming himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36).

In Daniel 9:27 the original Hebrew word (H3671) translated as "overspreading" can mean a wing (1 Kings 6:24). But it does not have to mean that every time that it is used. For it can also mean "the uttermost part" (Isaiah 24:16). The "overspreading" or "uttermost part" nature of the abomination of desolation could mean that it will involve not just the holy place of the temple, but the entire temple. For example, what the future Antichrist could do is engrave the gematrial number of his name, "666" (Revelation 13:17b-18), all over the temple, within and without, top to bottom, thereby completely defiling it, rendering it spiritually desolate.

The future Antichrist will be a Luciferian (Satanist), bringing the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and railing against YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). The Antichrist will want to utterly defile the future, third Jewish temple to YHWH in Jerusalem (built by the ultra-Orthodox Jews) so that he can poke his finger in YHWH's eye, so to speak, and purportedly show the world (what he could call) "YHWH's powerlessness to defend the place which he himself has chosen" (cf. Zechariah 3:2). The Antichrist could claim that his ability to commit the abomination of desolation with impunity proves (in his words) "that YHWH cannot thwart the will of our Lord Lucifer, who empowers me" (compare 2 Thessalonians 2:9, Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9).

But YHWH will permit the Antichrist and Lucifer to rule the world for less than four years (Daniel 12:11-12), before they are defeated at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:19 to 20:3).

jgr said in post #79:

Nowhere does Christ say that His original fulfillment will be repeated by antichrist.
Antichrist does not exist in the passage except by imagination.
An imaginary antichrist imaginarily makes an imaginary peace treaty.

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It's by comparison with other verses elsewhere (Isaiah 28:9-10; 1 Corinthians 2:13).

jgr said in post #79:

There is no future Millennium.

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Note that there is, for the Millennium will begin after Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21), when He will reign physically on the earth with the physically resurrected Church (of all times) for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 2, Psalms 66:3-4). During the Millennium, Jesus will place obedient Christians over cities (Luke 19:17-19) and nations (Revelation 2:26-29) and political divisions within nations (Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30), while Jesus will be King of kings (Revelation 19:16) over the entire earth (Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11), reigning in the earthly Jerusalem (Micah 4:1-8,13, Zechariah 14:8-21).

Isaiah 19 and Isaiah 11:6-16 are also examples of Millennial scriptures.

Amillennialism ends up (inadvertently) logically requiring the error of full preterism (2 Timothy 2:18). For claiming that the Church's resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is already present requires that Jesus Christ's Second Coming has already happened. For the Church's resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 will not happen until the Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16). Also, amillennialism ends up (inadvertently) logically requiring the error of partial preterism. For regarding the resurrection of those beheaded by the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") during the future Tribulation, and their subsequent reigning on the earth with the returned Jesus for the full 1,000 years of the future Millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), to say that this is already present would require that the Antichrist's literal, 3.5-year worldwide reign during the Tribulation (Revelation 13:4-18) has already happened. Also, amillennialism is mistaken because it requires that the devil is currently bound in the Bottomless Pit (Revelation 20:1-6), when in fact he is currently walking around on the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8); and he will not be bound until Jesus' future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:19 to 20:3).