Bible prophecy most often is Written in the past tense, because of its certain fulfilment. This is well understood and accepted by scholars.
Not only that, but you fail to read the rest of the chapter for context:
Listen; it is the thunder of vast forces...roaring like mighty waters....this is the fate of our enemies.
Not happened yet.
As for your post #113, it was TLDR and full of non scriptural stuff.
You have yet to prove that the moon has ever shone as bright as the sun and blood red. Not dusky orange!
Post 113 deals with some historical culture of Ancient Near East from
JewishEncyclopedia.com and is relevant. It is historical materials in other posts you have yet to address and academic materials too. What do you mean by TLDR?
I clearly was not speaking of Isaiah 30, you are now moving the goal post.
The Goal Post concerns Isaiah 17 and damascus.
Isaiah 7
7:10 The Lord again spoke to Ahaz: 7:11 “Ask for a confirming sign from the Lordyour God. You can even ask for something miraculous.”
18 7:12 But Ahazresponded, “I don’t want to ask; I don’t want to put the Lord to a test.”
19 7:13 So Isaiah replied,
20 “Pay attention,
21 family
22 of David.
23 Do you consider it too insignificant to try the patience of men? Is that why you are also trying the patienceof my God? 7:14 For this reason the sovereign master himself will give you a confirming sign.
24 Look, this
25 young woman
26 is about to conceive
27 and
will give birth to a son. You, young woman,
will name him
28 Immanuel.
29 7:15 He will eat sour milk
30 and honey, which will help him know how
31 to reject evil and choose what is right. 7:16 Here is why this
will be so:
32 Before the child know show to reject evil and choose what is right, the land
33 whose two kings you fear will be desolate.
34 7:17
The Lord will bring on you, your people, and your father’s family a time
35 unlike any since Ephraim departed from Judah – the king of Assyria!”
36
This prophecy is not past tense.
Isaiah 30 is not the same event as Isaiah 17
Isaiah 30
The light of the full moon will be like the sun's
glare and the sun's glare will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven days, when the LORD binds up his people's fractured bones and heals their severe wound.
An event that occurred is written in past tense, not prophecy.
These comments from the Pulpit Commentary are interesting and might shed light on the historicity of the city of Aroer as it relates to the Damascus prophecy:
Sargon’s annals tell us of a “Gal’gar,” a name well expressing the Hebrew ????, which was united in a league with Damascus, Samaria, Arpad, and Simyra, in the second year of Sargon, and was the scene of a great battle and a great destruction. Sargon besieged it, took it, and reduced it to ashes (‘Records of the Past,’ 50. s.e.). There is every reason to recognize the “Aroer” of this verse in the “Gargar” of Sargon’s inscriptions. They shall be for flocks (comp. Isaiah 5:17; 7:25). It marked the very extreme of desolation, that cattle should be pastured on the sites of cities. None shall make them afraid; i.e. “there shall be no inhabitants to make any objection.” ....
Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible: “[T]he city’s doom was predicted by Isaiah (8:4; 17:1), Amos (1:3–5), and Jeremiah (49:23–27). Rejecting God, Ahaz of Judah turned for protection to an alliance with the Assyrians, whom he bribed with the temple treasure. The Assyrian king Tiglath-pileser III (‘Pul’) agreed and marched against the Syro-Israelite confederation. After defeating Israel he attacked Damascus, plundered the city, deported the population, and replaced them with foreigners from other captured lands. Damascus was no longer an independent city-state.”
William Smith’s Dictionary of the Bible: “Under Ahaz it was taken by Tiglath-pileser, (2 Kings 16:7, 8, 9) the kingdom of Damascus brought to an end, and the city itself destroyed, the inhabitants being carried captive into Assyria. (2 Kings 16:9 ) comp. Isai 7:8 and Amos 1:5. Afterwards it passed successively under the dominion of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Macedonians, Romans and Saracens, and was at last captured by the Turks in 1516 A.D.”
“The conquest of Damascus by Tiglath-Pileser III (733-732 BC) is the final result of the Assyrian intervention against the anti-Assyrian coalition of Rezin of Damascus and Pekah of Israel against Ahaz of Judah. Rezin and Pekah tried to capture Jerusalem, capital city of the kingdom of Judah, but they failed (about 735–734 BC). Tiglath-Pileser III came to the aid of Ahaz of Judah, who promptly asked for the help of the Assyrian king. He finally destroyed the power of Damascus, by besieging the city, forcing king Rezin to surrender, as well as by conquering the whole region once under the control of Damascus. Rezin of Damascus died during the siege, according to the Bible (II Kings 16:9). After the conquest by Tiglath-Pileser III, Damascus was no longer the capital of the independent and rich kingdom of Aram.”18
The Isaiah 17 Damascus Bible prophecy has been fulfilled The American Vision
The City of Damascus we have today is simply rebuilt in a new location.
It was the power that the City of Damascus held over others was destroyed. I can't figure out why people see the Bible as a magic book.
I know enough to consult reference materials.
"I believe it makes more sense to hold that Isaiah 17 was fulfilled in the eighth century BC when both Damascus, the capital of Syria, and Samaria, the capital of Israel, were hammered by the Assyrians. In that conquest, both Damascus and Samaria were destroyed, just as Isaiah 17 predicts. According to history, Tiglath-pileser III (745–727 BC) pushed vigorously to the west, and in 734 the Assyrians advanced and laid siege to Damascus, which fell two years later in 732.1 "The Isaiah 17 Damascus Bible prophecy has been fulfilled The American Vision
" The New American Standard has “Damascus is about to be removed from being a city” (Isa. 17:1). According to Oswalt in his commentary on Isaiah, the Hebrew construction “hinneh . . . mûsar is a participial construction indicating imminent action, ‘Behold, Damascus is on the point of being removed.’”15 "ibid link
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Damascus was utterly destroyed in fulfillment of what was predicted in Isaiah 17. The destroyer himself —Tiglath-pileser — said so in his Annals:
“I took 800 people together with their property, their cattle (and) their sheep as spoil. I took 750 captives of the cities of Kurussa (and) Sama (as well as) 550 captives from the city of Metuna as spoil. I destroyed 591 cities from the 16 districts of Damascus like ruins from the Flood.”19" is the primary source. ibid link
I know enough about History to know it has already been fulfilled.
As a member of Mensa and having been invited to join intertel, Triple-Nine Society, and ISPE from time to time --- I know better than degrade others.
What I ignore is modern speculations related to prophecy which would make me more ignorant about History and Prophecy.
And, when the speculations do not happen I expect you to post a retraction of them here.
Now, go deal with the Academic Sources, Jewish Sources and History I posted. Since you keep ignoring those sources.... I think you like false speculation over studying the Scriptures in their Historical Cultural Contexts.
