The #MeToo Movement Is Destroying Trust Between Men And Women

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Actually, if it happened in Maryland, there is NO statute of limitations on rape.
Is sexual imposition (groping with the victim's clothes on in this case) considered to be "rape" in Maryland (or anywhere else for that matter)?

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We don't see much support for the me-too movement in our neighborhood or in our church.

We truly find no need for it.

Actually, the leaders and speakers for that group seem like bitter ones?

I guess that is their cause, everybody should have one. Our main cause up here is petting goats and enjoying our house and view. Thanking God for our many blessings each and every day.

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Is sexual imposition (groping with the victim's clothes on in this case) considered to be "rape" in Maryland (or anywhere else for that matter)?

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that woman has PTSD . I’d call it attempted rape more than groping
 
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http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/13/metoo-movement-destroying-trust-men-women/

"The sexual tension between men and women will always exist, and if women assume a man’s sexuality is a threat instead of a powerful complement to their own sexuality, they will always be on guard. In this environment of suspicion, there can be no privacy between a man and a woman. If there is any kind of interaction or discourse, even if it’s not sexual, the man can’t trust that the woman won’t use it against him—so communication is silenced. Fear is generated on both sides, and fear is the death of trust. It is also the death of love."

Your thoughts?
I don't think there was ever much trust to begin with.
 
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I don't think there was ever much trust to begin with.
. Patriarchal beliefs tend to do that. I mean would you trust someone who actually expects you to be submissive and calls that traditional but dysfunctional behavior, being feminine. Especially since domestic violence places tell women that that behavior is a red flag for a guy who might be an abuser
 
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Live only by your emotions much?
yes I’ve got PTSD . Any more questions? That places that help domestic violence victims tell women to avoid patriarchal men, is a fact
 
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Patriarchal beliefs tend to do that.
I do not think there is any evidence to support that assertion.

I mean would you trust someone who actually expects you to be submissive
I do trust someone who expects me to be submissive. Can you guess who?
 
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Is sexual imposition (groping with the victim's clothes on in this case) considered to be "rape" in Maryland (or anywhere else for that matter)?

Heard on the Internet:

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The hysteria online and in the media just doesn't comport with my experiences living in the real world. The fact is, gender relations in the US are phenomenal compared to most places around the world. US women (and men) do not appreciate how amazing they have it. I've lived and worked in many countries across three continents, and with regards to #metoo, #blacklivesmatter, etc, Americans have such a myopic and provincial view. I keep thinking, "if only they knew..."

That is not to say that there are no abuses which need to be brought to light and corrected. Of course there are. But this goes both ways. Hyperbole is not helpful. It is definitely having a damaging effect on both civil discourse and gender relations.

My own personal view is that people need to calm the heck down and do some soul searching.
 
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Heard on the Internet:

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WOW, thanks Paul, talk about hitting the nail on the head :oldthumbsup: No wonder the Congressional Dems/Ford legal offense team didn't try to get things done by the normal route!

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I do not think there is any evidence to support that assertion.

I do trust someone who expects me to be submissive. Can you guess who?
I’m not the kool aid drinking type , sorry
 
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WOW, thanks Paul, talk about hitting the nail on the head :oldthumbsup: No wonder the Congressional Dems/Ford legal offense team didn't try to get things done by the normal route!

--David
It's hard to access motivations in a case that has become politicized. I wouldn't doubt that some politicians would want that refusal letter addressed to them for bragging rights. But if the letter is genuine, as it appears to be, it shows that the case is being pressed by politicians not directly connected with the investigation so far (the addressee in the letter is a state-level representative). That may well mean that it's being done without Ford's agreement or even knowledge. If so, what happened to the much-vaunted concerns about Ford's privacy and prerogatives? This seems to be further evidence that Ford is essentially a vehicle for the Dems' attempt to grab power, and that they don't really have her best interests at heart - and almost certainly, never did.
 
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I am not the kool aid drinking type either, so we have something in common.
Seriously I watched my father denigrate and berate my mother for over a decade before she got tired of being an obedient submissive wife and kicked him to the curb.( No he never hit her)
I know you were speaking about God or Jesus and I shouldn’t have been so flippant . But that language makes me cringe as I don’t think God wants us to live on our knees as slaves. He gave us brains and expects us to use them - both female and male
 
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The #MeToo movement has done nothing to destroy MY trust in men - quite the contrary.

What has destroyed my trust in men is the numerous gropings, kissings and inappropriate comments I have had to endure over the years. That, and listening to umpteen men laughing about how they have 'got away with' treating other women the same way, even though they knew the women were hating it.

I've actually found #MeToo has helped to restore my trust to a certain extent, because it has made more people aware that this kind of treatment is not acceptable, and also, I find it very enlightening to listen to men talking about it - I've found their reactions to #MeToo are usually a very accurate indicator as to whether I am safe around them or whether they are the kind who are just waiting for an opportunity to start pawing at me.

And the only men I've heard complain about #MeToo are the ones who I don't want to find myself alone in a corridor or lift with! I don't trust them to keep their hands to themselves - maybe #MeToo has 'destroyed their trust' that I won't dare to complain about their behaviour, but that is the kind of 'trust' that needs to be destroyed.
 
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Seriously I watched my father denigrate and berate my mother for over a decade before she got tired of being an obedient submissive wife and kicked him to the curb.( No he never hit her)
I know you were speaking about God or Jesus and I shouldn’t have been so flippant . But that language makes me cringe as I don’t think God wants us to live on our knees as slaves. He gave us brains and expects us to use them - both female and male
I am sorry about what happened to your mother. My father was an alcoholic and beat my mother senseless, so I am not exactly a fan of domineering husbands either, to put things in context.

I personally hold some beliefs that may classify as patriarchal. I am Catholic and believe that the priesthood should be limited to men, for example. And I believe in the idea that "the man should be the head of the household." I do not believe that these beliefs lead to distrust between men and women, in and of themselves. Perhaps some other patriarchal beliefs may.

As to whether God wishes us to live as slaves or not, that is an interesting question. As you know, the NT does speak of us as being God's slaves here and there.
 
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I’m not the kool aid drinking type , sorry
I heard once there was some sort of study which found that more 'chauvinistic' men were actually more likely to treat women properly, and it was more the new-age-type, emasculated men who were more likely to beat or abuse them.
 
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The #MeToo movement has done nothing to destroy MY trust in men - quite the contrary.

What has destroyed my trust in men is the numerous gropings, kissings and inappropriate comments I have had to endure over the years. That, and listening to umpteen men laughing about how they have 'got away with' treating other women the same way, even though they knew the women were hating it.

I've actually found #MeToo has helped to restore my trust to a certain extent, because it has made more people aware that this kind of treatment is not acceptable, and also, I find it very enlightening to listen to men talking about it - I've found their reactions to #MeToo are usually a very accurate indicator as to whether I am safe around them or whether they are the kind who are just waiting for an opportunity to start pawing at me.

And the only men I've heard complain about #MeToo are the ones who I don't want to find myself alone in a corridor or lift with! I don't trust them to keep their hands to themselves - maybe #MeToo has 'destroyed their trust' that I won't dare to complain about their behaviour, but that is the kind of 'trust' that needs to be destroyed.
I think a lot of men have a sense that #MeToo is directed anger at men generally, not merely against people who commit sexual abuse. Do you think there is anything with #MeToo that would warrant that perception?
 
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Is sexual imposition (groping with the victim's clothes on in this case) considered to be "rape" in Maryland (or anywhere else for that matter)?

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Forcible groping is "sexual assault in the 4th degree" in Maryland. Not anywhere close to rape as you will see in the definitions in the link below.
Rape means precisely what we all thought.

Maryland Rape and Sexual Assault Laws - FindLaw

When the U.S. Department of Justice tells us today that 20 million women in the U.S. have been raped that indeed means the far worse thing we all already think of as 'rape'.

About 18% have been raped --
  • About 20 million out of 112 million women (18.0%) in the United States have been raped during their lifetime. 12
  • Facts and Statistics U.S. Dept. of Justice
It may be a vastly higher percentage that have been groped or other such things short of rape.
 
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