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What did the father "reward" the prodigal son for doing? Was the father's rewarding the prodigal son for selfishly wanting to humbly accept pure charity?
Did Jesus reward the blind man who did not even know who Jesus was for his begging?
A reward does not have to be something you deserve, won, or worked for, but it can be what you "get", in spite of what you have done or even will do, because the "reward" is pure charity and you were willing to accept charity as charity out of a need for charity.
 
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Heaven, eternal life in the presence of the Almighty God and the Lamb, IS our reward.

For our faithfulness ect. There are various crowns we are said to be given as rewards, but we lay those at the feet of Christ in praise of His work.

Do you want scriptural reference? I've already given then to you..

The five crowns?

What else are you looking for? Do you not think eternal life is good for you?
 
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Heaven, eternal life in the presence of the Almighty God and the Lamb, IS our reward.

For our faithfulness ect. There are various crowns we are said to be given as rewards, but we lay those at the feet of Christ in praise of His work.

Do you want scriptural reference? I've already given then to you..

The five crowns?

What else are you looking for? Do you not think eternal life is good for you?

Well Jesus says in Matthew 6:19-21 that we will have treasures in heaven based on what works we have done. It isn't that Eternal life isn't good enough for me its that I'm curious just what these treasures are that we're supposed to be working for. The bible mentions crowns but what other rewards are there? And which of our works count for reward? For example if we donate to chastity for God will that count for rewards? What rewards will we get? Maybe only God can answer these questions.
 
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A short answer is that we will know God fully, but the ramifications of that are not obvious. The motivations we have to do everything on earth other than pure, unselfish love (which only comes from God), will be gone. Our motivations on earth come from trying to experience happiness, pleasure, and comfort, and and to avoid sadness, pain, and discomfort (trying to fill the God-shaped vacuum). All our emptiness and sense of need will be gone. If you think about what you desire when you are extremely happy—which shuts out all negativity—what is it you want to do? Personally, I want to share my happiness with others and rejoice in that exchange. In heaven it will be better than that, because what I like about that exchange is the acceptance, affirmation, and unity with the others. In heaven we will already have all acceptance, affirmation, and unity with others.

Knowing God fully means is that we will be like him. What kind of person we are right now is determined by our faith in God, or lack thereof. We will have the fruit of the Spirit in all their fullness, according to our reward (which depends on how much we have become like God on earth). We will be bursting with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (list from Galatians 5:22-23).

It will be better than we can understand this verse:

Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, (1 Peter 1:8, 1984 NIV)
 
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A short answer is that we will know God fully, but the ramifications of that are not obvious. The motivations we have to do everything on earth other than pure, unselfish love (which only comes from God), will be gone. Our motivations on earth come from trying to experience happiness, pleasure, and comfort, and and to avoid sadness, pain, and discomfort (trying to fill the God-shaped vacuum). All our emptiness and sense of need will be gone. If you think about what you desire when you are extremely happy—which shuts out all negativity—what is it you want to do? Personally, I want to share my happiness with others and rejoice in that exchange. In heaven it will be better than that, because what I like about that exchange is the acceptance, affirmation, and unity with the others. In heaven we will already have all acceptance, affirmation, and unity with others.

Knowing God fully means is that we will be like him. What kind of person we are right now is determined by our faith in God, or lack thereof. We will have the fruit of the Spirit in all their fullness, according to our reward (which depends on how much we have become like God on earth). We will be bursting with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (list from Galatians 5:22-23).

It will be better than we can understand this verse:

Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, (1 Peter 1:8, 1984 NIV)

So when Jesus referred to treasure he meant our eternities with God? Interesting.
 
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If your soul is a 55-gallon drum, and going to heaven pours 5500 gallons of love and joy into it, is it even possible for there to be a greater reward?

I guess not. But let's say Jesus was referring to literal rewards. Would it matter that they won't be as good as seeing Jesus and experiencing the wonders of heaven? Like for example a child earning a trophy for winning a hockey game. That trophy still symbolizes the fact that the child won the hockey game. Its not everything but he still swells with pride when he sees it. See what I'm saying? If we are given physical eternal rewards for our works than that would still make us proud.
 
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Do you think it is in God's nature to be generous only with wisdom?

If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. (James 1:5, 1984 NIV)

Martha's opinion:

But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.” (John 11:22, 1984 NIV)

Also (along with other verses):

And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. (John 14:13-14, 1984 NIV)

These are all examples for Christians while still on earth. I can't imagine what it will be like in heaven. However, if you want that feeling of being proven and recognizes for being victorious, you'll have it. In fact, it is available to us on earth, too.

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. (Romans 8:37, 1984 NIV)
 
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Treasure is singular entity. It's a priceless thing or amount.

Treasure always used to describe heaven and eternal life in Gods presence because it's so priceless a thing. Its the pearl without price. MATTHEW 13:45-46

I died once and saw heaven. The Angel of the Lord came to the room and when he came I had perfect peace and all the pain left my body.

When he held out his hand to me I knew without words I had a choice, I could go or I could stay. So I reached out my hand to him to go and the next thing I know we were in a place so bright white it would have been absolutely blinding had I not been dead.

There were millions of millions and more people there. So many people but they all looked like Angels they were so beautiful.

I was very far in the back of all these rows of people/angels so i couldn't see the front, but I knew/felt we were before the Throne of God. As the Angel deposited me in my spot, in my row, it was like a curtain came down and what was separating me before was no longer separating me..

Suddenly I felt the presence of God so powerfully I fell on my face before God to worship Him, in worship of Him. And I felt his love pour over me, it was like being washed, literally like bathing in this awesome love and perfect peace and joy..

And He knew me. I wasn't a stranger He knew me to the depths of my soul and still loved me personally.

It's still to me so strong as if just happened yesterday, so powerful was this experience. And everyone there was having this same experience... it was just as personal for each and everyone there. God knew us all...

I could have been on my face like that for a minute, or for a thousand years - time had no meaning and there was no feeling of time or its passing.. I never wanted to leave. Never wanted it to end... I wanted to be right there before God in worship of Him eternally... it was my only desire, and my joy.

It still makes me cry tears of joy to remember it. To think about it.

The Angel came back and when His presence was there it was like the curtain was back and I couldn't feel God in the same way.. He told me it wasn't my time and the next thing I knew I was back in the hospital.

Thing is..that experience changed everything for me. The one place I saw this description of Heaven was later, after I was saved. What I saw when I was dead, I saw again written down in the book of Revelation after i was saved, the multitude no one could number.

My view was just a different perspective, for a different amount of time perhaps.. But after I was saved I read revelations for the first time and knew I was finally home, because this is what I saw, and where I was.. and I saw it in person before I ever read about it.

People can say it was right or wrong I don't know.. But that experience, the one that matches the book of revelations, the one from the perspective of being in front of the Throne of God..

That is worth everything.. it is worth every treasure, every sacrifice. That is reward enough for me, for a thing I did nothing to gain but rather was given me freely.

That God? That God is worth my life and more.. and I'm going back there.. and the thought will always make me cry in joy. that is my home.

My husband he thinks it sounds a bit boring, like may be someday he might want something else to do, and maybe there are parts of Heaven I didn't see, other aspects I don't know about... but that one? That a the only heaven I want..and I think it's a priceless treasure.

I honestly believe the presence Iof God, eternity in that presence, is all we will ever desire as a reward.. and we didn't even have to earn it. He just loves us.

The experience of it, is so amazing that its a thing beyond words. No words can ever adequately describe that.. no words.
 
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Just what are our rewards in heaven? How will Jesus reward us? I know scripture doesn't say but I am immensely curious about this. What will we be rewarded for? Our works? Which ones? All of them?

Our reward is eternal life with God. We will live with God, in a sinless world for eternity and will learn the absolute truth about everything throughout eternity ... and that's quite an enormous amount of rewards ;o)

Works? Not ours .... His works.

God Bless.
 
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What did the father "reward" the prodigal son for doing? Was the father's rewarding the prodigal son for selfishly wanting to humbly accept pure charity?
Did Jesus reward the blind man who did not even know who Jesus was for his begging?
A reward does not have to be something you deserve, won, or worked for, but it can be what you "get", in spite of what you have done or even will do, because the "reward" is pure charity and you were willing to accept charity as charity out of a need for charity.
I think you might have missed the entire point of that parable.

The story of the prodigal son is about forgiveness; not reward.
 
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I think you might have missed the entire point of that parable.

The story of the prodigal son is about forgiveness; not reward.

I agree with the idea that forgiveness is what we need and what the prodigal son needed. The gifts to the son were totally unexpected and undeserved the same as God’s gifts to us.

Are you disagreeing with the way I feel “rewards” are defined in scripture to include undeserved gifts?
 
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Are you disagreeing with the way I feel “rewards” are defined in scripture to include undeserved gifts?
No. Which is why I didn't say that I disagree. My only point is that the story of the prodigal son is about forgiveness. Because it is.
 
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No. Which is why I didn't say that I disagree. My only point is that the story of the prodigal son is about forgiveness. Because it is.
There is a lot in the story and it needs to go along with the two just previous parables and who is being addressed with all these parables.
Without getting into too much detail the Pharisees seem to be the ones being addressed who would have been on a roll with what Christ was saying until the young son's return. Like other parables the audience (Pharisees) have to fell in the ending with their own answer. They are being represented by the older son and the young son can be representing gentiles, so will the Pharisees join the part with gentiles?
 
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There is a lot in the story and it needs to go along with the two just previous parables and who is being addressed with all these parables.
Without getting into too much detail the Pharisees seem to be the ones being addressed who would have been on a roll with what Christ was saying until the young son's return. Like other parables the audience (Pharisees) have to fell in the ending with their own answer. They are being represented by the older son and the young son can be representing gentiles, so will the Pharisees join the part with gentiles?
Oh, wow...
 
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So when Jesus referred to treasure he meant our eternities with God? Interesting.

A good way to get an answer is to study the parable of the vineyard.

Matthew 18:15“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens toyou, you have gained your brother.

Matthew 21:33“Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who PLANTED A VINEYARD AND PUT A WALL AROUND IT AND DUG A WINE PRESS IN IT, AND BUILT A TOWER, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey. 34“When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce. 35“The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third. 36“Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them. 37“But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38“But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39“They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40“Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?” 41They said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.”

42Jesus said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures,
‘THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,
THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone;
THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD,
AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES’?

43“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. 44“And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust.”

45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. 46When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet.

In the parable of the landowner, the latter expected to get a harvest. The vineyard is the Sinaitic Covenant, the tenants were Israelites and the way it worked was like this: the tenants would observe the law, God would bless Israel, the surrounding nations would see the miraculous blessings coming from living unselfish lives, and they would turn to follow God.

However, Israel never observed the important parts of the law, loved money, lived selfishly, and proselytised, and gained followers for Judaism, which only followed halakhah*, the minor points of the law, and made disciples who were bigger sons of satan then they themselves, and together they made God’s House into a den of thieves. God sent prophets to receive His harvest, but they were all attacked, and denied the fruit God had sent them to collect.

When God sent His Son, He was also attacked and killed. So God cut off Israel by abolishing the Sinaitic Covenant and gave His blessing to those who had been loyal to His Son, by making a Sonship Covenant with them. Those who were loyal to His Son would be adopted as His co-heirs, and the fruit that God received would also be the fruit they received.

Now we can see the difference between the wages that Israel received as hired hands was avoiding God’s wrath and prospering in their own Land, material blessings for being followers of God, by observing both minor and important parts of the law, as all the prophets until even John the Baptist taught, whilst the gifts that those in Christ received were souls, crowns, brothers who had become followers of God after seeing the great works that God did through His followers after they received the Holy Spirit.

Hired hands received only earthly blessings, whilst co-heirs receive a share in Christ. Family is different from employee.

Luke 19:11While they were listening to these things, Jesus went on to tell a parable, because He was near Jerusalem, and they supposed that the kingdom of God was going to appear immediately. 12So He said, “A nobleman went to a distant country to receive a kingdom for himself, and then return. 13“And he called ten of his slaves, and gave them ten minas and said to them, ‘Do business with this until I come back.’ 14“But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’ 15“When he returned, after receiving the kingdom, he ordered that these slaves, to whom he had given the money, be called to him so that he might know what business they had done. 16“The first appeared, saying, ‘Master, your mina has made ten minas more.’ 17“And he said to him, ‘Well done, good slave, because you have been faithful in a very little thing, you are to be in authority over ten cities.’ 18“The second came, saying, ‘Your mina, master, has made five minas.’19“And he said to him also, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ 20“Another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I kept put away in a handkerchief; 21for I was afraid of you, because you are an exacting man; you take up what you did not lay down and reap what you did not sow.’ 22“He said to him, ‘By your own words I will judge you, you worthless slave. Did you know that I am an exacting man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow? 23‘Then why did you not put my money in the bank, and having come, I would have collected it with interest?’ 24“Then he said to the bystanders, ‘Take the mina away from him and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ 25“And they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas already.’ 26“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 27“But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.”

*4QMMT and Paul: Justification, ‘Works,’ and Eschatology

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Of course, in the case of one who had not practiced these ‘works’ before, starting to do so might be a sign of the beginning of one’s membership. But the language of C31 is not about entry into the community, but about being demonstrated to be within it. In the terminology made famous by E. P. Sanders, the works of Torah here are about ‘staying in’, not ‘getting in’; they are not designed as ways of entering the covenant, but as ways of being confirmed as members of it. ‘Works of the law’ function here, in other words, within the broader covenantal and eschatological scheme which has been set out, They cannot be abstracted from it either into a more generalized system of timeless halakhah or into a wider ‘legalism’ to which Paul’s doctrine of justification, in its traditional Reformation sense, could then be opposed. The halakhic precepts included in MMT are by no means exhaustive. They are, it seems, intended to clear up disputed points within a much larger assumed scheme. The writer did not suppose that anyone who kept only the somewhat recondite precepts listed here, and ignored the rest of Torah, would be counted a true Jew. These are indeed ‘some’ of the precepts of Torah, implying a much longer and fuller potential list.33 Why these ones were to be highlighted is a matter of continuing historical speculation concerning [118] the identity and context of the author and the recipients. What is clear is that they were regarded as the key differentia of the sect.34 The ‘works’ commended in MMT, then, are designed to mark out God’s true people in the present time, the time when the final fulfillment of Deuteronomy has begun but is not yet concluded. They are designed (C30) ‘so that you may rejoice at the end of time, finding these words of ours to be true’. These extra-biblical commands will thus enable the sect to anticipate the verdict of the last day, when it will be clearly revealed that those who follow this particular halakhah are indeed the true, renewed people of God. (3) This brings us to the key comparison between MMT and Paul. Paul, arguably, held a version of the same covenantal and eschatological scheme of thought as MMT; but, in his scheme, the place taken by ‘works of Torah’ in MMT was taken by ‘faith’. Paul, like MMT, believed (a) in a coming ‘last day’ when all would be revealed, and (b) that the verdict of that last day could be anticipated in the present when someone displayed the appropriate marks of covenant membership. For him, though, the appropriate marks were not ‘works’, either of the biblical Torah or of post-biblical halakhah, but faith: more specifically, faith in the God who raised Jesus from the dead
 
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