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Because the Republicans made it clear that they would never consider any President Obama nominee. Yep sure sounds like Democracy to me. [sarcasm/]

What does democracy have to do with the Senate and it’s advice and consent powers?
 
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Oh yeah they did. The Dems literally had nothing on the guy up until two weeks ago, when they decided to leak the letter to attempt to delay the vote past November.

They leaked it on purpose?

I did not state that and I do not know. But is it possible? Heck yeah.

Of course... it's the party line.

Could someone have found a person in his social circle and paid her to alter her story to implicate Kavanaugh?

Could they have cloned her in a lab using the DNA of Biblical Jezebel?

Sure, it sounds crazy, but we have seen politicians illegally sell arms to fund rebel groups in foreign countries, literally break in and burglarize documents from your political opponents, all types of crazy stuff.

Not for nothing, but both those actions were done by the political party you're defending.

I personally would not put anything past these folks.

Except attempted rape?
 
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They leaked it on purpose?
Yes. Of course they leaked it on purpose. One has to be extremely naive to believe otherwise.

Of course... it's the party line.
No, neither Judge Kavanaugh nor any of the GOP Senators has made that assertion.

Could they have cloned her in a lab using the DNA of Biblical Jezebel?
No, human cloning has not yet been made possible (and yes, I realize you are being sarcastic).

Not for nothing, but both those actions were done by the political party you're defending.
Obviously I know that that those actions were done by GOP politicians. One has to be extremely naive to believe that only GOP politicians are deceitful and capable of evil. And I am not defending the GOP. I am not a Republican. In my opinion most politicians, be they Republicans or Democrats, are immoral and power hungry.

Except attempted rape?
I never said that. It is possible that Kavanaugh has attempted to rape her or someone else, although there is currently no strong evidence to indicate that he has.
 
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That’s debatable. Given the inconsistency in her behavior, it’s not “perfectly understandable.”

Another potential problem with her testimony is she recalled hearing the boys laugh, but they turned the music up loud enough to drown any screams by her. To be sure, this paradox may have a rational resolution but none was given by her, and neither was this paradox probed.
I'm guessing you haven't worked much with traumatized teenaged girls. Am I correct?
 
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Yes. Of course they leaked it on purpose. One has to be extremely naive to believe otherwise.

I suppose in some circles, that's as good as actual facts.

No, neither Judge Kavanaugh nor any of the GOP Senators has made that assertion.

I never said they did... but you have heard it, have you not?

No, human cloning has not yet been made possible (and yes, I realize you are being sarcastic).

One has to be extremely naive to believe otherwise.

Obviously I know that that those actions were done by GOP politicians. One has to be extremely naive to believe that only GOP politicians are deceitful and capable of evil. And I am not defending the GOP. I am not a Republican. In my opinion most politicians, be they Republicans or Democrats, are immoral and power hungry.

Good... it slows everything down when the obvious needs to be explained.

I never said that. It is possible that Kavanaugh has attempted to rape her or someone else, although there is currently no strong evidence to indicate that he has.

And the evidence that Dr. Ford has been hired by the dems as part of a plot?
 
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I'm guessing you haven't worked much with traumatized teenaged girls. Am I correct?

No. As a 13 year assistant district attorney, never.

To the contrary, I’ve dealt with traumatized girls, 10 to 17, and women from 18-64. I’ve dealt with male victims, rape, murder, attempted murder, aggravated battery, confinement, domestic battery, battery with serious bodily injury, I’ve just about prosecuted every crime in our jurisdiction that involves victims, tramatized and otherwise.

But this isn’t so much about their behavior. Their behavior can certainly form a basis of opinion in evaluating Ford’s behavior, but it’s not dispositive. Ford’s behavior is still peculiar in some areas.
 
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Do you mean other than the fact they are elected in part to perform that function?

Oh? Democracy dictates they approve of candidates nominated by the President?

And here I deluded myself into thinking the Constitution vested to the Senate the power to refuse any presidential nominee, including any number of them, as a check on presidential power. Who knew? Apparently the drafters of the Constitution, and the authors of the Federalist Papers, who asserted the power to approve of Presidential nominees is solely with the Senate and a check on executive power.
 
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Not according to her testimony. According to her testimony when asked if she had paid for it she stated she wasn't sure, then said she wasn't sure who paid for it, then had to be told.
I looked at her go fund me account. She has collected half a million for expenses and $200,000 for her protection, security guards. Lots of people would love to be a monkey on that banana boat. She is pretty much making one million dollars per hour of testimony.
 
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No. As a 13 year assistant district attorney, never.

To the contrary, I’ve dealt with traumatized girls, 10 to 17, and women from 18-64. I’ve dealt with male victims, rape, murder, attempted murder, aggravated battery, confinement, domestic battery, battery with serious bodily injury, I’ve just about prosecuted every crime in our jurisdiction that involves victims, tramatized and otherwise.

But this isn’t so much about their behavior. Their behavior can certainly form a basis of opinion in evaluating Ford’s behavior, but it’s not dispositive. Ford’s behavior is still peculiar in some areas.
Wonderful then in your 13 years I'm sure you encountered enough traumatized teenaged girls to know that their behavior is often counter-intuitive to common sense. That is precisely the point I was making.
 
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That’s edifying information, but tell me which part supports your claim of “innocent people” prosecuted as a result of a “good prosecutor’s games.”
If I remember correctly it is on page 2 of the synopsis that reports 1900 erroneous convictions of only 3 specific crimes. Perhaps you bristle at the word "games." Fair enough, the post I was responding to was referring to skillful prosecutors and their ability to bring forth truth. I will amend my comment to include "skill" instead of "games."
 
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Oh? Democracy dictates they approve of candidates nominated by the President?

And here I deluded myself into thinking the Constitution vested to the Senate the power to refuse any presidential nominee, including any number of them, as a check on presidential power. Who knew? Apparently the drafters of the Constitution, and the authors of the Federalist Papers, who asserted the power to approve of Presidential nominees is solely with the Senate and a check on executive power.
That's not what I wrote. Democracy requires the Senate consider candidates put forth by the President, not to rubber stamp them. The Senate refused to even consider the President's nominee in committee. That is a dereliction of duty.
 
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Do you have any idea how many innocent people have been prosecuted due to "a good prosecutor's" games?

People who are railroaded are done so by an entirely corrupt court. More than one official has to be in on it. A fair judge, and even the defense will move to strike, object and correct the course of questioning. A single prosecutor in a non criminal court setting would just thrash them both into a corner with their own testimony. Under this scrutiny a lot would surface.

Pausing every 5 minutes to here a bunch of nonsense is just ridiculous. Some keep calling for an investigation but they were there for like 10 hours. Just let the prosecutor cross exam them. Then afterwards let the dog and pony show continue.
 
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That's not what I wrote. Democracy requires the Senate consider candidates put forth by the President, not to rubber stamp them. The Senate refused to even consider the President's nominee in committee. That is a dereliction of duty.

And where is this duty created?

It’s certainly not the Constitution because the Constitution doesn’t mandate the Senate do anything with a President’s nominee. The Constitution doesn’t require the Senate “to even consider” any person nominated by the President.

This notion democracy creates this duty is dubious. Democracy concerns a form of government in which the electorate vote for people to represent them in government or they directly represent themselves, the latter called direct democracy. Democracy generally doesn’t provide any guidance as to what the representative should or must do in executing governmental power for any particular scenario (other than perhaps listen to a particular electorate), and not whether the Senate must consider presidential nominees.

Of course, the Senate arguably gave its advice and consent, which was no nominees until after the presidential election.
 
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Wonderful then in your 13 years I'm sure you encountered enough traumatized teenaged girls to know that their behavior is often counter-intuitive to common sense. That is precisely the point I was making.

Not really. Your use of the word “often” is problematic.

I’ve encountered enough tramatized teenage girls whose behaviors were consistent with what they said and decision making, whereas Ms. Ford’s aren’t.

From the many girls and victims I’ve worked with, or the countless investigative affidavits by detectives that I’ve read, to the victim advocates I’ve worked with, these teenage girls had one common thought, get away from the person trying to physically hurt me when I can, and survive. From that, many of the victims wanted to get out of the house, car, hotel room, etcetera, away from the assailant, and to a phone, to people or a person who could help. When they couldn’t, they had a plausible, believable, explanation, or the explanation had some modicum of making sense. This isn’t, at this moment, true of Ms. Ford’s account.

Does this mean Ms. Ford is lying? Not necessarily, but it can create doubt, and justifiably so.

In addition, there’s the paradox of hearing the boys laugh but the music in the room is loud to drown out her screams.

There’s also the unresolved issues surrounding her account of how she got home.
 
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And where is this duty created?

It’s certainly not the Constitution because the Constitution doesn’t mandate the Senate do anything with a President’s nominee. The Constitution doesn’t require the Senate “to even consider” any person nominated by the President.

This notion democracy creates this duty is dubious. Democracy concerns a form of government in which the electorate vote for people to represent them in government or they directly represent themselves, the latter called direct democracy. Democracy generally doesn’t provide any guidance as to what the representative should or must do in executing governmental power for any particular scenario (other than perhaps listen to a particular electorate), and not whether the Senate must consider presidential nominees.

Of course, the Senate arguably gave its advice and consent, which was no nominees until after the presidential election.
The facts that it is a responsibility of the Congress and that there is a stated and codified process for doing so confers that it is a "duty." What is dubious however is your statement "Of course, the Senate arguably gave its advice and consent, which was no nominees until after the presidential election."

Nice civics lesson by the way. You offered no cogent argument for your position but it was interesting to read your thoughts.
 
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