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That’s not Biblical.

Never read that knowing God can regerate someone. Do you have scripture for that?

Have you read Romans 4, 5, 6 and 7

So you do not believe it is God alone who regenerates a person? And God alone who knows the second He will do it?

People refuse because they were not regenerated by the Spirit of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:7 “Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Matthew 19:25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Mark 10:27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”

Luke 18:27 But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”

According to your assumption, regeneration is possible by a "free will" choice of man, but the Bible states otherwise. You also assume a man can do other than his nature.

Romans 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

You assume the sinner has faith before he is regenerated, but it is not possible. Faith is not born from the desires of sinful nature.

I have read most of the Bible, and most of it numerous times. But thanks for asking. I believe it also, thanks.
 
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So you do not believe it is God alone who regenerates a person? And God alone who knows the second He will do it?

People refuse because they were not regenerated by the Spirit of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:7 “Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

Matthew 19:25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Mark 10:27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”

Luke 18:27 But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”

According to your assumption, regeneration is possible by a "free will" choice of man, but the Bible states otherwise. You also assume a man can do other than his nature.

Romans 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

You assume the sinner has faith before he is regenerated, but it is not possible. Faith is not born from the desires of sinful nature.

I have read most of the Bible, and most of it numerous times. But thanks for asking. I believe it also, thanks.
Calvinists have the confusion of thinking when the Bible refers to born again, it refers to regeneration. But that’s not the case.

So you can’t just “borrow” the term born again for your regeneration step that doesn’t exist.

We choose God through faith and God upon our belief and faith baptized us into His death and gives us the Holy Spirit as a Seal of the New Covenant.

So again, where is your regeneration step in the Bible?
 
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Calvinists have the confusion of thinking when the Bible refers to born again, it refers to regeneration. But that’s not the case.

So you can’t just “borrow” the term born again for your regeneration step that doesn’t exist.

We choose God through faith and God upon our belief and faith baptized us into His death and gives us the Holy Spirit as a Seal of the New Covenant.

So again, where is your regeneration step in the Bible?

You're playing the semantics game, which I find incredibly boring and tedious, sorry. Switch out the word "regenerated" in my previous post(s) for "born again", and the same points are made. When I used the word "regeneration" I used it in the sense of spiritual regeneration, which is a common usage...


REGENERATION. The Gk. noun palingenesia occurs only twice in the NT (Mt. 19:28, RSV ‘new world’, AV ‘regeneration’; Tit. 3:5, ‘regeneration’). In the Mt. passage it is used eschatologically to refer to the restoration of all things, reminding us that the renewal of the individual is part of a wider and cosmic renewal. In Tit. the word is used with an individual reference.

Elsewhere various words are used to express the change which the Holy Spirit effects. gennaō (with anōthen, Jn. 3:3, 7), meaning ‘to beget’ or ‘give birth to’, is used in Jn. 1:13; 3:3–8; 1 Jn. 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18. In 1 Pet. 1:3, 23 the word anagennaō—‘to beget again’ or ‘to bring again to birth’—is found. These words are used to describe the initial act of renewal. The words anakainōsis (Rom. 12:2; Tit. 3:5) with the verb anakainoō (2 Cor. 4:16; Col. 3:10) denote a making anew or renewing. The references will indicate that the use of these two words is not limited to the initial renewal but extends to the resultant process. We may note with reference to the result of the new birth such terms as kainē ktisis, ‘a new creation’ (2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15), and kainos anthrōpos, ‘a new man’ (Eph. 2:15; 4:24). Twice we have the term synzōopoieō, ‘to make alive with’ (Eph. 2:5; Col. 2:13), which hints at a change, not only as dramatic as birth, but as dramatic as resurrection. apokyeō (Jas. 1:18) denotes to bear or bring forth.

Surveying these terms, we notice that they all indicate a drastic and dramatic change which may be likened to birth, rebirth, re-creation or even resurrection. Several of the terms in their context indicate that this change has permanent and far-reaching effects in its subject.

I. Old Testament presentation

The idea of regeneration is more prominent in the NT than in the OT. Many OT passages have the concept of national renewal. This thought is present in the statements concerning the new covenant and the law being written in the heart or the giving of a new heart (Je. 24:7; 31:31f.; 32:38f.; Ezk. 11:19; 36:25–27, and the ‘valley of dry bones’ passage, 37:1–14).

Although it is the nation that is in view in these scriptures, a nation can be renewed only when the individuals within it are changed. Thus, in the very idea of national renewal we find the concept of ‘new hearts’ being given to individuals. Other passages deal more directly with the individual (cf. Is. 57:15). We notice especially Ps. 51, where David’s prayer is expressed in v. 10. Considering the serious view of sin and its effects expressed in this Psalm, it is hardly surprising to find more than a hint of the need for individual renewal.

II. New Testament presentation

This doctrine must be considered in the context of man in sin (Jn. 3:6; Eph. 2:1–3, 5). The effects of sin on human nature are considered to be so serious that, without the new birth, the sinner cannot see, let alone enter into, the kingdom of God (Jn. 3:3, 5; cf. 1 Cor. 2:6–16).

The initiative in regeneration is ascribed to God (Jn. 1:13); it is from above (Jn. 3:3, 7) and of the Spirit (Jn. 3:5, 8). The same idea occurs in Eph. 2:4–5; 1 Jn. 2:29; 4:7; etc. This divine act is decisive and once for all. Aorists are used in Jn. 1:13; 3:3, 5, 7. The use of perfects indicates that this single, initial act carries with it far-reaching effects, as in 1 Jn. 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18. The abiding results given in these passages are doing righteousness, not committing sin, loving one another, believing that Jesus is the Christ, and overcoming the world. These results indicate that in spiritual matters man is not altogether passive. He is passive in the new birth; God acts on him. But the result of such an act is far-reaching activity; he actively repents, believes in Christ, and henceforth walks in newness of life.

Jn. 3:8 serves to warn us that there is much in this subject that is inscrutable. Yet we must inquire what actually happens to the individual in the new birth. It would be safe to say that there is no change in the personality itself; the person is the same. But now he is differently controlled. Before the new birth sin controlled the man and made him a rebel against God; now the Spirit controls him and directs him towards God. The regenerate man walks after the Spirit, lives in the Spirit, is led by the Spirit, and is commanded to be filled with the Spirit (Rom. 8:4, 9, 14; Eph. 5:18). He is not perfect; he has to grow and progress (1 Pet. 2:2), but in every department of his personality he is directed towards God.

We may define regeneration as a drastic act on fallen human nature by the Holy Spirit, leading to a change in the person’s whole outlook. He can now be described as a new man who seeks, finds and follows God in Christ.

III. The means of regeneration

In 1 Pet. 3:21 baptism is closely connected with entry into a state of salvation, and in Tit. 3:5 we have the reference to the washing of regeneration. 1 Pet. 1:23 and Jas. 1:18 mention the Word of God as a means of new birth. Many, from such scriptures, contend that these are the necessary channels by which regeneration comes to us. With 1 Cor. 2:7–16 in mind, we must question whether the Word of God is a means of regeneration in this way. Here we are clearly taught that the natural man is in such a state that he cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God. A divine intervention which makes the natural man receptive to God’s Word must be antecedent to hearing the Word in a saving manner. When this has occurred the Word of God brings the new life into expression. It is clear that the new birth of 1 Pet. 1:23; Jas. 1:18 is conceived more comprehensively than in John. John distinguishes between regeneration and the faith which results from it (e.g. Jn. 1:12–13; 1 Jn. 5:1); Peter and James, by including the reference to the Word as the means, show that they have in mind the whole process whereby God brings men to conscious faith in Christ.

We can also think of the issue in terms of conception and birth. The Holy Spirit plants or begets new life by a direct action on the soul. It is subsequently brought to the birth (apokyeō, Jas. 1:18) by the word. gennaō (1 Pet. 1:23) can have the meaning of birth as well as begetting.

There are further biblical objections to the idea that baptism itself conveys regenerating grace. To look at baptism in this ex opere operato manner is contrary to other scriptures, especially the prophetic protest against the abuse of priestly rites, and Paul’s strictures on Jewish views concerning circumcision (cf. Rom. 2:28f.; 4:9–12). We actually have incidents of conversion without baptism (Acts 10:44–48; 16:14–15). The latter case is especially interesting, for the opening of Lydia’s heart is specifically mentioned before baptism. If it be argued that things are different concerning Christians of subsequent generations, Paul’s attitude to similar views with regard to circumcision ought to settle the issue. Regenerating grace comes direct by the Spirit to lost sinners. The Word of God brings it into expression in faith and repentance. *BAPTISM bears witness to the spiritual union with Christ in death and resurrection through which new *LIFE is conveyed, but does not convey it automatically where *FAITH is not present.

BIBLIOGRAPHY. Articles on Regeneration by J. V. Bartlet (HDB), J. Denney (DCG), A. Ringwald et al., NIDNTT 1, pp. 176–188. Most works on systematic theology deal with this subject—especially note Hodge (vol. 3, pp. 1–40) and Berkhof (pp. 465–479); T. Boston, Human Nature in its Fourfold State, 1720, pp. 131–168; B. Citron, The New Birth, 1951.
M. R. GORDON.

Gordon, M. R. (1996). Regeneration. In D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer, & D. J. Wiseman (Eds.), New Bible dictionary (3rd ed., pp. 1005–1006). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

So, your semantics game is based on; "The Gk. noun palingenesia occurs only twice in the NT (Mt. 19:28, RSV ‘new world’, AV ‘regeneration’; Tit. 3:5, ‘regeneration’)." and this same dictionary article demonstrates the error of your contention.
 
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You're playing the semantics game, which I find incredibly boring and tedious, sorry. Switch out the word "regenerated" in my previous post(s) for "born again", and the same points are made. When I used the word "regeneration" I used it in the sense of spiritual regeneration, which is a common usage...


REGENERATION. The Gk. noun palingenesia occurs only twice in the NT (Mt. 19:28, RSV ‘new world’, AV ‘regeneration’; Tit. 3:5, ‘regeneration’). In the Mt. passage it is used eschatologically to refer to the restoration of all things, reminding us that the renewal of the individual is part of a wider and cosmic renewal. In Tit. the word is used with an individual reference.

Elsewhere various words are used to express the change which the Holy Spirit effects. gennaō (with anōthen, Jn. 3:3, 7), meaning ‘to beget’ or ‘give birth to’, is used in Jn. 1:13; 3:3–8; 1 Jn. 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18. In 1 Pet. 1:3, 23 the word anagennaō—‘to beget again’ or ‘to bring again to birth’—is found. These words are used to describe the initial act of renewal. The words anakainōsis (Rom. 12:2; Tit. 3:5) with the verb anakainoō (2 Cor. 4:16; Col. 3:10) denote a making anew or renewing. The references will indicate that the use of these two words is not limited to the initial renewal but extends to the resultant process. We may note with reference to the result of the new birth such terms as kainē ktisis, ‘a new creation’ (2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15), and kainos anthrōpos, ‘a new man’ (Eph. 2:15; 4:24). Twice we have the term synzōopoieō, ‘to make alive with’ (Eph. 2:5; Col. 2:13), which hints at a change, not only as dramatic as birth, but as dramatic as resurrection. apokyeō (Jas. 1:18) denotes to bear or bring forth.

Surveying these terms, we notice that they all indicate a drastic and dramatic change which may be likened to birth, rebirth, re-creation or even resurrection. Several of the terms in their context indicate that this change has permanent and far-reaching effects in its subject.

I. Old Testament presentation

The idea of regeneration is more prominent in the NT than in the OT. Many OT passages have the concept of national renewal. This thought is present in the statements concerning the new covenant and the law being written in the heart or the giving of a new heart (Je. 24:7; 31:31f.; 32:38f.; Ezk. 11:19; 36:25–27, and the ‘valley of dry bones’ passage, 37:1–14).

Although it is the nation that is in view in these scriptures, a nation can be renewed only when the individuals within it are changed. Thus, in the very idea of national renewal we find the concept of ‘new hearts’ being given to individuals. Other passages deal more directly with the individual (cf. Is. 57:15). We notice especially Ps. 51, where David’s prayer is expressed in v. 10. Considering the serious view of sin and its effects expressed in this Psalm, it is hardly surprising to find more than a hint of the need for individual renewal.

II. New Testament presentation

This doctrine must be considered in the context of man in sin (Jn. 3:6; Eph. 2:1–3, 5). The effects of sin on human nature are considered to be so serious that, without the new birth, the sinner cannot see, let alone enter into, the kingdom of God (Jn. 3:3, 5; cf. 1 Cor. 2:6–16).

The initiative in regeneration is ascribed to God (Jn. 1:13); it is from above (Jn. 3:3, 7) and of the Spirit (Jn. 3:5, 8). The same idea occurs in Eph. 2:4–5; 1 Jn. 2:29; 4:7; etc. This divine act is decisive and once for all. Aorists are used in Jn. 1:13; 3:3, 5, 7. The use of perfects indicates that this single, initial act carries with it far-reaching effects, as in 1 Jn. 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18. The abiding results given in these passages are doing righteousness, not committing sin, loving one another, believing that Jesus is the Christ, and overcoming the world. These results indicate that in spiritual matters man is not altogether passive. He is passive in the new birth; God acts on him. But the result of such an act is far-reaching activity; he actively repents, believes in Christ, and henceforth walks in newness of life.

Jn. 3:8 serves to warn us that there is much in this subject that is inscrutable. Yet we must inquire what actually happens to the individual in the new birth. It would be safe to say that there is no change in the personality itself; the person is the same. But now he is differently controlled. Before the new birth sin controlled the man and made him a rebel against God; now the Spirit controls him and directs him towards God. The regenerate man walks after the Spirit, lives in the Spirit, is led by the Spirit, and is commanded to be filled with the Spirit (Rom. 8:4, 9, 14; Eph. 5:18). He is not perfect; he has to grow and progress (1 Pet. 2:2), but in every department of his personality he is directed towards God.

We may define regeneration as a drastic act on fallen human nature by the Holy Spirit, leading to a change in the person’s whole outlook. He can now be described as a new man who seeks, finds and follows God in Christ.

III. The means of regeneration

In 1 Pet. 3:21 baptism is closely connected with entry into a state of salvation, and in Tit. 3:5 we have the reference to the washing of regeneration. 1 Pet. 1:23 and Jas. 1:18 mention the Word of God as a means of new birth. Many, from such scriptures, contend that these are the necessary channels by which regeneration comes to us. With 1 Cor. 2:7–16 in mind, we must question whether the Word of God is a means of regeneration in this way. Here we are clearly taught that the natural man is in such a state that he cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God. A divine intervention which makes the natural man receptive to God’s Word must be antecedent to hearing the Word in a saving manner. When this has occurred the Word of God brings the new life into expression. It is clear that the new birth of 1 Pet. 1:23; Jas. 1:18 is conceived more comprehensively than in John. John distinguishes between regeneration and the faith which results from it (e.g. Jn. 1:12–13; 1 Jn. 5:1); Peter and James, by including the reference to the Word as the means, show that they have in mind the whole process whereby God brings men to conscious faith in Christ.

We can also think of the issue in terms of conception and birth. The Holy Spirit plants or begets new life by a direct action on the soul. It is subsequently brought to the birth (apokyeō, Jas. 1:18) by the word. gennaō (1 Pet. 1:23) can have the meaning of birth as well as begetting.

There are further biblical objections to the idea that baptism itself conveys regenerating grace. To look at baptism in this ex opere operato manner is contrary to other scriptures, especially the prophetic protest against the abuse of priestly rites, and Paul’s strictures on Jewish views concerning circumcision (cf. Rom. 2:28f.; 4:9–12). We actually have incidents of conversion without baptism (Acts 10:44–48; 16:14–15). The latter case is especially interesting, for the opening of Lydia’s heart is specifically mentioned before baptism. If it be argued that things are different concerning Christians of subsequent generations, Paul’s attitude to similar views with regard to circumcision ought to settle the issue. Regenerating grace comes direct by the Spirit to lost sinners. The Word of God brings it into expression in faith and repentance. *BAPTISM bears witness to the spiritual union with Christ in death and resurrection through which new *LIFE is conveyed, but does not convey it automatically where *FAITH is not present.

BIBLIOGRAPHY. Articles on Regeneration by J. V. Bartlet (HDB), J. Denney (DCG), A. Ringwald et al., NIDNTT 1, pp. 176–188. Most works on systematic theology deal with this subject—especially note Hodge (vol. 3, pp. 1–40) and Berkhof (pp. 465–479); T. Boston, Human Nature in its Fourfold State, 1720, pp. 131–168; B. Citron, The New Birth, 1951.
M. R. GORDON.

Gordon, M. R. (1996). Regeneration. In D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer, & D. J. Wiseman (Eds.), New Bible dictionary (3rd ed., pp. 1005–1006). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

So, your semantics game is based on; "The Gk. noun palingenesia occurs only twice in the NT (Mt. 19:28, RSV ‘new world’, AV ‘regeneration’; Tit. 3:5, ‘regeneration’)." and this same dictionary article demonstrates the error of your contention.
I’m sorry you feel I am playing some semantics game as you call it.

But the fact is that as you said regeneration is not used Biblically as a substitute for “born again” nor is it used interchangeably.

Almoat everytine this word is used it is used by a Calvinist to push their doctrine and to try to make sense of it.

As it says at the top of whatever you copy and pasted, “regeneration” is only found twice in the Bible. That’s a fact by your own text.

So. All the parallels drawn here are Calvinist doctrine and the Bible rarely even uses that term.

How often is the word “faith” in the Bible? “by faith ...” “through faith... “ “in faith ...”

Just because you are use to that word being used as part of your popular teaching, to try to make sense of what is written, doesnt mean that your doctrine is correct or that the parallels drawn are Biblical or correct.

Hence why a lot of Bible, believing Sola scriptura Christians are not Calvinists.

I don’t think you have made your case scripturally.

Please don’t insult me again by saying I’m playing games. If that is really what you think, it’s best that we end this conversation.

If you can refrain from insults, we can continue a dialog. Your choice.
 
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Paragraph III from AW's post lists a ton of scriptural proofs for regeneration. Very well articulated, Sir - thank you for sharing that.

AW - I'm reading a book by Thomas Shepard - "The Parable of Ten Virgins" which touches on this very issue. It's quite lengthy - dealing mainly with a perceived sense of rising Anti-nomianism in 17th Century New England - but much is related concerning the Holy Spirit's role in regeneration through the parable. I think clearly in light of the doctrine of regeneration that parable is much easier to understand. As I reflect on that parable if regeneration is not true than it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 
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So you do not believe it is God alone who regenerates a person? And God alone who knows the second He will do it?

People refuse because they were not regenerated by the Spirit of God.
I do not use the Calvinist verbage here. Using the term regeneration.

Romans 4, 5 and 6 walks us through being born again.

Romans 5

5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 6
3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
 
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