If the Kavanaugh accusations are true...

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I see it all the time, but it's always interesting. :)

Interesting that others don't need a concept of punishment or divine judgement in order to know right from wrong? Yes, I suppose that must be interesting.
 
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You thought wrong. It's the exact opposite.

Then why the opposition (in general; not necessarily you specifically) to a hearing and investigation?

It's an internet thing. I was trying to be hip.

Fine. I'm just curious where you were going with that?

If you're trying to say that sexual assault is "just a thing that happens in high school", then
1) that wasn't the case at my school
2) that's a pretty questionable (at best) attitude
3) it doesn't excuse Kavanaugh or any other perpetrator of assault/rape/abuse.
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The whole situation does not even add up, what kind of rapist attempts to rape another person with an audience present? Supposedly there were eyewitness at this party yes? Which state did this supposed attempt at rape occur (surely someone knows)? Is it true in many cases a person under 18 is not tried as an adult? Did she file a report with the local police? It seems a rape kit is out of the question since an actual rape did not occur. Sounds more like vindictive jealous classmates to me, looking forward to finding out more soon.
That's got to be one of the most clueless excuses I've ever heard.
 
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That's got to be one of the most clueless excuses I've ever heard.

Not as clueless as the people who have assumed guilt without evidence, not as clueless as considering a man guilty before a trial. That's called discrimination and bias.
 
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What makes you think Thomas lied? To this day there exist not one piece of evidence to support any claim made by Anita Hill against Clarence Thomas. Not one, even after all these years.

You don't find that telling?

There were other women willing to testify to Thomas' behavior in the workplace as described by Anita Hill. The Committee chose not to invite them to testify.
 
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"We found three other women who had experiences with Thomas at the EEOC that were similar to Hill’s, and four people who knew about his keen interest in inappropriate content but were never heard from publicly. The evidence that Thomas had perjured himself during the hearing was overwhelming.
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Among the corroborative stories — the potential #MeToos — that Biden knew about but was unwilling to use: those of Angela Wright; Rose Jourdain, another EEOC worker in whom Wright confided; and Sukari Hardnett, still another EEOC worker with relevant evidence. (“If you were young, black, female and reasonably attractive and worked directly for Clarence Thomas, you knew full well you were being inspected and auditioned as a female,” Hardnett wrote in a letter to the Judiciary Committee, contradicting Thomas’s claim “I do not and did not commingle my personal life with my work life” and supporting McEwen’s 2010 assertion that he “was always actively watching the women he worked with to see if they could be potential partners” as “a hobby of his.”) Kaye Savage, a friend of Thomas’s and Hill’s, knew of his extensive collection of Playboy magazines; Fred Cooke, a Washington attorney, saw Thomas renting inappropriate content videos that match Hill’s descriptions, as did Barry Maddox, the owner of the video store that Thomas frequented. And at least some members of Biden’s staff would have known Lillian McEwen had relevant information."

The Case for Impeaching Clarence Thomas
 
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As I said, interesting. Interesting to hear an atheist speak so strongly of concepts like "wrong" and "shame".
I find it interesting that’s the worst human beings I’ve ever met turn out to be Christians. But we all find different things interesting...
 
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Nice non sequitor. Was it because you didn’t understand my statement, or are you just ignoring it?

You submitted a personal anecdote to support a claim of plausibility. I submitted one of many examples where a liberal activist completely fabricated an allegation of rape specifically to support an agenda. For the American left, fabricating stories of rape or attempted rape is an old standard. Just ask the Duke Lacrosse players.
 
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Because concepts like "wrong" and "shame" should logically have no meaning for an atheist. In a godless universe, it's easy to imagine a science fiction scenario where men are given good citizenship awards for raping women. And the man who rapes the most women gets made President, or put on the Supreme Court.
 
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Interesting that others don't need a concept of punishment or divine judgement in order to know right from wrong? Yes, I suppose that must be interesting.
Yes.
 
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Because concepts like "wrong" and "shame" should logically have no meaning for an atheist.

How so?

In a godless universe, it's easy to imagine a science fiction scenario where men are given good citizenship awards for raping women. And the man who rapes the most women gets made President, or put on the Supreme Court.

I’m sorry you are prone to such lurid fantasies.
 
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Then why the opposition (in general; not necessarily you specifically) to a hearing and investigation?
The FBI opposes investigating because their job is to investigate crimes and there's no prosecutable crime here. I don't know why the accuser opposes a hearing, you'd have to ask her. My guess is that it's because she's lying, and liars don't want their lies scrutinized.
Fine. I'm just curious where you were going with that?

If you're trying to say that sexual assault is "just a thing that happens in high school", then
1) that wasn't the case at my school
2) that's a pretty questionable (at best) attitude
3) it doesn't excuse Kavanaugh or any other perpetrator of assault/rape/abuse.
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No, I don't know how you inferred anything like that. What I was saying is that it seems you never had basic high school civics. You seem un-American, or at least don't seem to understand America. If you think that shoplifting a candy bar and stealing the life savings from an elderly couple deserve the same punishment, you don't understand American political philosophy. Likewise if you think a person should have to prove their innocence whenever someone says something about them.
 
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Because concepts like "wrong" and "shame" should logically have no meaning for an atheist. In a godless universe, it's easy to imagine a science fiction scenario where men are given good citizenship awards for raping women. And the man who rapes the most women gets made President, or put on the Supreme Court.
Why? There is no logic in what you posted.
 
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I find it interesting that’s the worst human beings I’ve ever met turn out to be Christians. But we all find different things interesting...
I find it interesting that every Seeker I've ever met has pushed me onto a bed, tried to remove my top and rape me.
 
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You submitted a personal anecdote to support a claim of plausibility. I submitted one of many examples where a liberal activist completely fabricated an allegation of rape specifically to support an agenda. For the American left, fabricating stories of rape or attempted rape is an old standard. Just ask the Duke Lacrosse players.

Are you under the misguided impression that your example somehow “cancels out” my example? If you don’t like my anecdote, I can provide more concrete evidence that women are raped in front of other people.

Unless you identify with the far right of course. Then evidence may not be something you’re interested in if it disputes your internal narrative...
 
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Your bizarre idea that atheists would find no meaning in concepts like wrong or shame. And then your post just goes further off the rails from there.
Why is the idea bizarre? It's not my idea, it's pretty ancient.
 
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