IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

LoveGodsWord · Sep 18, 2018

Hello Damian thanks for your thoughts. Some comments for your consideration below

DamianWarS said:
you seem to enjoy putting in parenthesis "(10 Commandments)" every time you say "God's law" It's hard not to interpret a strong indication how much you favour the 10 Commandment exclusive the other commandments not inclusive when you say God's law..

Not really Damian. The parenthesis "(10 Commandments) is only pointing out what laws are being referenced and discussed as there are many law sets under the OLD COVENANT.

DamianWarS said:
The 10 Commandments are the torah and if you take one you take the other.

Actually no, the 10 commandments are not the Torah. The Torah is the first five books of the bible *GENESIS, EXODUS, LEVITICUS, NUMBERS and DEUTERONOMY. Many make the mistake as you do thinking that the 10 commandments are exclusivelty the OLD COVENANT alone. This is only telling half the story. The OLD COVENANT is both God's LAW (10 commandments) and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Many do not know what the NEW COVENANT is because they do not know what the OLD COVENANT and what it points to. If you have lost your key how can you open a locked door *JOHN 10:9?

DamianWarS said:
They are not separated.

Actually Damien, that is NOT true. They were indeed separated. Let's look at the scriptures. The ARK of the COVNENANT [HOUSE OF THE COVENANT] held both God's 10 Commandments made, spoken and written by God alone *EXODUS 32:16 on two tables of stone and placed inside the Ark of the covenant *DEUTERONOMY 10:4-5. While the MOSAIC BOOK of the law [COVENANANT *Exodus 24:7] which was the work of Moses under God's guidence (Deuteronomy 31:9; 24-26; Exodus 24:3-4; 7; Deuteronomy 29:21) was placed beside the Ark of the Covenant *DEUTERONOMY 31:25-26.

DamianWarS said:
The Torah inherits the traits of God's law and it is God's law but it is contextualized to a specific context. Did not God tell Adam "God's law" too? Do we keep the adamic covenant as well? of course not, because it's not for us and it would be foolish to try and keep it. We keep Christ's law which is God's contextualized law for us in this time. It's all God's law but that doesn't mean it should all be evaluated the same way.

Not really Damian what is the difference between Chrsits Law and God's LAW? Are you saying that Jesus has different laws to God's LAW? I would say to you that you do not understand the OLD COVENANT because you think the OLD COVENANT is made up of soley the 10 commandments when the scriptures clearly show that the OLD COVENANT is made up of both the 10 commandments and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *Exodus 24:7. You have your shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's eternal laws that give us a KNOWLEDGE GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172; which lead us to Christ that we might be FORGIVE by FAITH *GALATIANS 3:22-25, to walk in his Spirit of LOVE *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 8:1-4. How can you know what the NEW COVENANT is if you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT was that it pointed to?

Hope this helps.

Neogaia777 · Sep 18, 2018

Should we make it about the ten, or the two...? or both...? How would both work...?

God Bless!

LoveGodsWord · Sep 18, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Should we make it about the ten, or the two...? or both...? How would both work...?

God Bless!

Hi Neogaia777, according to God's Word you can separate God's LAW from LOVE in the NEW COVENANT. The 10 commandents are the very expression of what love is (Romans 13:8-10). What are your thoughts brother?

Neogaia777 · Sep 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Neogaia777, I do not think you can separate them in the NEW COVENANT. The 10 commandents are the very expression of what love is. What are your thoughts brother?

To me they are the same, when I see the spirit of it/them most especially, so it really doesn't matter to me, but I don't think trying to say, memorize the ten, so as to then, try to do work, or works with them, or exert your own will to obey them, is the right way to go...

I try to think of of faith and love, especially now that I think I have and am getting a better understanding of what that truly means (with help, lots of help), Anyway, I don't have the ten memorized, not completely, but I do have a card in my wallet with them on it, and I carry a little bible a lot of the time also... But, when I do read them (I feel like I do know most of them pretty well) when I do read them, I feel like I see the spirit behind them now, it's intentions, it's heart, and that is what I'm beginning to understand more and more now...

I think that might have been what Jesus saw maybe...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Sep 18, 2018

Here's what I think about the letter of the law, the law is about self-will and encourages self-will in dealing with sin, cause that's how God overcome or overcomes or stays above it, cause he is able and his will is supreme, and it is nothing to Him... But, we fall short of being him of course, and if any one of us tries to use self-will to deal with sin, we are either going to fail miserably or be greatly deceived, and be evil when we think we are good...

That's why we have the NC and the commands about Love and Faith, and God's great love and faith, I think... Were in the NC now, and I do not ever think one should try to get understanding about the OC, or OT, or the Old Law Covenant, without always seeing it through the lens or light of the NT, and NC, and NC commands... One should never try to do that IMO...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Sep 18, 2018

I'm also trying to say that I didn't truly have any kind of real success with the law, till I gave up trying to keep it, or be mindful of it, basically...

LoveGodsWord · Sep 18, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
To me they are the same, when I see the spirit of it/them most especially, so it really doesn't matter to me, but I don't think trying to say, memorize the ten, so as to then, try to do work, or works with them, or exert your own will to obey them, is the right way to go...

Absolutely! This is the thing. How do you pull a clean thing out of an unclean? Gods 10 commandments role is to show us our need of salvation. It leads us to Jesus where we cry out "LORD save us". As we come to Jesus just as we are and by faith alone claim his promises we have forgiveness because of his sacrifice on our behalf. We cannot obey God's LAW in our own strength they are there to show us our need of a Saviour. Only as we by faith continue in God's WORD we walk in his Spirit. We need to be born again to LOVE and as God changes our hearts to LOVE God's Law is fulfilled in us. Our focus is on God's WORD by faith and this gives us the victory to overcome the world and walking in his Spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Neogaia777 said:
I try to think of of faith and love, especially now that I think I have and am getting a better understanding of what that truly means (with help, lots of help), Anyway, I don't have the ten memorized, not completely, but I do have a card in my wallet with them on it, and I carry a little bible a lot of the time also... But, when I do read them (I feel like I do know most of them pretty well) when I do read them, I feel like I see the spirit behind them now, it's intentions, it's heart, and that is what I'm beginning to understand more and more now...

I think that might have been what Jesus saw maybe...?

God Bless!

God bless you brother Neogaia777, enjoyed reading your post. I will try and catch up with your other few posts shortly as I am a little busy right now but while your waiting take a quick look at these scriptures on LOVE being the expression of God's LAW here linked CLICK ME.

Will post again soon. May God bless you as you seek him through his Word :wave:

DamianWarS · Sep 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Not really Damian. The parenthesis "(10 Commandments) is only pointing out what laws are being referenced and discussed as there are many law sets under the OLD COVENANT.

and you fail to demonstrate that these laws are being referenced but instead just simply replace the words "God's Law" with "10 Commandments" and think that is enough.

LoveGodsWord said:
Actually no, the 10 commandments are not the Torah. The Torah is the first five books of the bible *GENESIS, EXODUS, LEVITICUS, NUMBERS and DEUTERONOMY. Many make the mistake as you do thinking that the 10 commandments are exclusivelty the OLD COVENANT alone. This is only telling half the story. The OLD COVENANT is both God's LAW (10 commandments) and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Many do not know what the NEW COVENANT is because they do not know what the OLD COVENANT and what it points to. If you have lost your key how can you open a locked door *JOHN 10:9?

Torah means law. So in Hebrew if you said "God's Law" such as one of your references in Nehemiah it literally is "Torah of Elohim". It has some ambiguity and it may reference the law or it may represent the first 5 books as you say but the word is the "Torah"

John 10:9 doesn't fit your "key" metaphor you are forcing in. It is referring to a gate for sheep and only the shepherd enters in the gate and a thief "climbs in by some other way". Only the master enters in the gate and calls his sheep and the sheep respond to the masters voice and follows the master to pasture through the gate. Christ is the gate but there is no reference to a key in the passage nor need of one. The shepherd is one shown with authority and he enters through the gate because of his authority he may use a key but we, the sheep, certainly don't use a key nor have the capacity to do so or need. Our only concern in the context is to follow the master not to get a key to open the gate which is completely out of scope of the passage. We enter pasture through Christ who is the gate and the gate is "the way" to pasture by guidance of the shepherd. There is no reference to the 10 commandments as a key implicitly or otherwise.

LoveGodsWord said:
Actually Damien, that is NOT true. They were indeed separated. Let's look at the scriptures. The ARK of the COVNENANT [HOUSE OF THE COVENANT] held both God's 10 Commandments made, spoken and written by God alone *EXODUS 32:16 on two tables of stone and placed inside the Ark of the covenant *DEUTERONOMY 10:4-5. While the MOSAIC BOOK of the law [COVENANANT *Exodus 24:7] which was the work of Moses under God's guidence (Deuteronomy 31:9; 24-26; Exodus 24:3-4; 7; Deuteronomy 29:21) was placed beside the Ark of the Covenant *DEUTERONOMY 31:25-26.

The tablets represent the covenant relationship between God and Israel and the entire law. Where are the tablets now? They are gone just as the temple is gone. Do we say the temple was destroyed because stuff just happens or do we say that a part of the reason why the temple was destroyed is because it is no longer needed? Most affirm the latter and although lighting didn't come from the sky and destroy the temple, implicitly we see a passing value of the temple in God's law and it was subsequently laid to fallow.

The only "10 Commandments" we know of is that which Moses penned and the actual tablets that God inscribed himself are gone. We still have the words Moses penned but we do not have the tablets.

LoveGodsWord said:
Not really Damian what is the difference between Chrsits Law and God's LAW? Are you saying that Jesus has different laws to God's LAW? I would say to you that you do not understand the OLD COVENANT because you think the OLD COVENANT is made up of soley the 10 commandments when the scriptures clearly show that the OLD COVENANT is made up of both the 10 commandments and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *Exodus 24:7. You have your shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's eternal laws that give us a KNOWLEDGE GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172; which lead us to Christ that we might be FORGIVE by FAITH *GALATIANS 3:22-25, to walk in his Spirit of LOVE *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 8:1-4. How can you know what the NEW COVENANT is if you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT was that it pointed to?

you quoted my own words yet response as if you don't read them. I concluded saying "It's all God's law but that doesn't mean it should all be evaluated the same way." now which part of that do you interpret as me saying that Christ's law or the Torah are not God's law? I will repeat it: They are all God's law. But... they are contextualized to a specific context and we do no follow that which was not given to us. Do you claim the instructions given to Adam also were not God's law? Of course they were but we do not follow them because they do not apply to us. We follow that which was given to us. What does Jesus say? "you have heard that it was said to those of old..." He doesn't even call it God's law he references it as something out of reach and long passed "to those of old" Then Jesus says "but I say to you..." Jesus reveals the torah, including the 10 commandments (as explicit examples of the 10 are given) as that which "was said to those of old" he does not use this language to establish the 10 Commandments as an eternal law of God but instead uses it as a segue to establish Christ's law. What do we follow Christ's law or the "law for those of old"?

LoveGodsWord · Sep 18, 2018

DamianWarS said:
and you fail to demonstrate that these laws are being referenced but instead just simply replace the words "God's Law" with "10 Commandments" and think that is enough.

Not at all Damian. You have been shown that it is the scripture and chapter context that determine what laws are being discussed in the OLD TESTAMENT and NEW.

For example; What laws are being discussed in HEBERWS 7? If you study the chapter it is talking about the laws of the LEVITICAL Priesthood from the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVEANANT *EXODUS 24:7; EXODUS 28:1-4; HEBREWS 7:11-17. This is a similar theme through Hebrews chapters 8-10.

Then we can look at another example of where law is used in the book of ROMANS.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET

As you can see the LAW used here is in reference to you should not COVET which is referencing God's LAW (10 Commandments) from EXODUS 20:1-17.

This was demonstrated through the scriptures to you earlier though I guess you just did not like the answer. These are God's WORD not mine brother. I suggest you believe and follow them. It is better to be wrong about something then right in your own eyes and need to answer to God one day and asked why did you not receive instruction when he sent it to you.

DamianWarS said:
Torah means law. So in Hebrew if you said "God's Law" such as one of your references in Nehemiah it literally is "Torah of Elohim". It has some ambiguity and it may reference the law or it may represent the first 5 books as you say but the word is the "Torah"

As shown above the Hebrew Word for TORAH is not used in every application of the english word for law (e.g. GENESIS 47:26 CIVIL law). CIRCUMCISION was law (TORAH) * EXODUS 12:48-49 but this application of law is also not a reference to the 10 commandments now is it? It is the scriptures and chapter context of the use of the word law or Torah that determines what laws are being discussed. Another example is in

EXODUS 24:12And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give you tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that you may teach them.

The word TORAH used in this scripture and chapter context is to the 10 commandments. So as shown earlier it is the within scripture and chapter context that determines what laws are being discussed.

DamianWarS said:
John 10:9 doesn't fit your "key" metaphor you are forcing in. It is referring to a gate for sheep and only the shepherd enters in the gate and a thief "climbs in by some other way".

This was a metaphore used in connection with trying to disconnect the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures from the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness * 2 TIMOTHY 3:16. Indeed the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures with God's Spirit *JOHN 14:26 are the keys that unlock the meaning of the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. If you have lost your key how can you open the door to the NEW *JOHN 10:9. Jesus is the WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. If you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT was how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?

DamianWarS said:
They are all God's law. But... they are contextualized to a specific context and we do no follow that which was not given to us.

What was not given to you? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172; MATTHEW 5:17-19. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know the meaning of the NEW?

DamianWarS said:
Do you claim the instructions given to Adam also were not God's law? Of course they were but we do not follow them because they do not apply to us. We follow that which was given to us. What does Jesus say? "you have heard that it was said to those of old..." He doesn't even call it God's law he references it as something out of reach and long passed "to those of old" Then Jesus says "but I say to you..." Jesus reveals the torah, including the 10 commandments (as explicit examples of the 10 are given) as that which "was said to those of old" he does not use this language to establish the 10 Commandments as an eternal law of God but instead uses it as a segue to establish Christ's law. What do we follow Christ's law or the "law for those of old"?

If you have lost or broken your mirror how will you know what you look like? If you do not know that you are sick why would you go to a physician? If your lamp has gone out how will you find your way when the road is dark and narrow. Do you know what scriptures these questions are referring to?

Hope this helps

LoveGodsWord · Sep 19, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Here's what I think about the letter of the law, the law is about self-will and encourages self-will in dealing with sin, cause that's how God overcome or overcomes or stays above it, cause he is able and his will is supreme, and it is nothing to Him... But, we fall short of being him of course, and if any one of us tries to use self-will to deal with sin, we are either going to fail miserably or be greatly deceived, and be evil when we think we are good...

That's why we have the NC and the commands about Love and Faith, and God's great love and faith, I think... Were in the NC now, and I do not ever think one should try to get understanding about the OC, or OT, or the Old Law Covenant, without always seeing it through the lens or light of the NT, and NC, and NC commands... One should never try to do that IMO...

God Bless!

Hi Neogaia777, trying to catch up a little thanks for your post.

Yes the letter of the law shows us we have broken it and leads is to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith in God's WORD. The letter represents the schoolmaster that shows us we are all sinners *ROMANS 3:19-20; ROMANS 7; GALATIANS 3:22-25. It teaches us that we are all sick with sin and in need of a physician *MATTHEW 9:11-13. Many did not know the meaning when Jesus spoke this to the Pharisees and in the last days we are told many more will not know the meaning as they will have a form of Godliness but deny God's power to save them from their sins *2 TIMOTHY 3:1-12.

The letter of the law shows us we are all sick and brings us to Christ the true physician so we can cry out Lord save me because we relize there is nothing we can do to save ourselves and stop sinning. Here we behold what manner of LOVE God bestowed upon us in sending his own Son to die the death we deserve to die so that we can be FORGIVEN and brought back to God.

FAITH is the victory that overcomes the world to all those who are born again to LOVE and walk in God's SPIRIT *1 JOHN 5:4; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 3:31.

Thanks for sharing brother Neo

LoveGodsWord · Sep 19, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I'm also trying to say that I didn't truly have any kind of real success with the law, till I gave up trying to keep it, or be mindful of it, basically...

Hello brother Neogaia777, this is the thing. God's LAW (10 commandments) makes no one perfect. They are there to show us our need of salvation and that we need a Saviour. It is Christ who saves us once we realise this and by faith alone BELIEVE his WORD and seek to follow it, not because we can but because God makes it happen as we BELIEVE.

God bless you brother as you seek him through his WORD.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 20, 2018

DamianWarS said:
The tablets represent the covenant relationship between God and Israel and the entire law. Where are the tablets now?

Not at all. That is only telling half the story and that is where many make their mistake. The OLD COVENANT included both the 10 commandments and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Together these made up the OLD COVENANT. Having tables of stone or not is irrelivant as we have the Word of God which tells us what they are. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 21, 2018

Jason0047 said:
After the cross: Nine out of the Ten commandments were specified or repeated clearly but the command for the Sabbath was not repeated.

Jason this statement has no truth in it whatsoever and is simply your words over God's WORD. None of the first 4 of the 10 Commandments which are our duty towards God are repeated word for word in the NEW TESTAMENT. Yet everyone of them is repeated and reconfirmed in the NEW TESTAMENT (SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE CLICK ME). I suggest you read your bible and stop saying things that are not true.

HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

There are 10 commandments that are spoken and written by God in God's WORD (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4) No where in God's WORD does it talk about the 9 commandments just as there is no scripture in all of God's WORD that says that God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Sorry Jason your teaching here as shown in the scriptures have no truth in it. Jesus and all the Apostles taught all of God's Commandments in the NEW TESTAMENT not nine of them (SCRIPTURES SUPPORT HERE CLICK ME).

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 21, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Were in the NC now, and I do not ever think one should try to get understanding about the OC, or OT, or the Old Law Covenant, without always seeing it through the lens or light of the NT, and NC, and NC commands... One should never try to do that IMO...God Bless!

Hi Neogaia777,

In the days of Jesus and the Apostles their bible was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. Everything that we have in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT. The key to unlocking the NEW COVENANT/TESTAMENT is the OLD TESTAMENT/COVENANT scriptures through God's guidence with the Holy Spirit. I believe this is why Jesus said; "Man does not live by break alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God" *MATTHEW 4:4 and that ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness *2 TIMOTHY 3:16. The OLD Testament scriptures are the key that unlocks the NEW together these are the two great witnesses.
Does this make sense? How can you understand the NEW if you do not understand the OLD?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

klutedavid · Sep 21, 2018

Hello LGW.

You made the following comment.

What was not given to you? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172; MATTHEW 5:17-19.

Are you suggesting that only the ten commandments, grant a knowledge of sin?

LoveGodsWord · Sep 21, 2018

klutedavid said:
Hello LGW.
You made the following comment. Are you suggesting that only the ten commandments, grant a knowledge of sin?

Hello klutedavid, what does God's WORD say?

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.

JAMES 4:17[17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

ROMANS 14:23 ..whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

klutedavid · Sep 21, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello klutedavid, what does God's WORD say?

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.

JAMES 4:17[17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

ROMANS 14:23 ..whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

I asked you whether the ten commandments only grant a knowledge of sin.

You replied with the following verse.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law...

This verse does not state that, 'the ten commandments', only tell us what sin is.

Paul says, 'I had not known sin, but by the law...'

One cannot possibly support your idea that, sin is breaking the ten commandments, when Paul says, sin is breaking the law.

What is the relevance of the following verse?

JAMES 4:17[17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

This verse is the proof that, sin is not just the ten commandments.

I will ask you again, LGW.

Where does it say in the scripture that, only the ten commandments grant a knowledge of sin?

LoveGodsWord · Sep 21, 2018

klutedavid said:
I asked you whether the ten commandments only grant a knowledge of sin.

You replied with the following verse.

This verse does not state that, 'the ten commandments', only tell us what sin is.

Paul says, 'I had not known sin, but by the law...'

One cannot possibly support your idea that, sin is breaking the ten commandments, when Paul says, sin is breaking the law.

What is the relevance of the following verse?

This verse is the proof that, sin is not just the ten commandments.

I will ask you again, LGW.

Where does it say in the scripture that, only the ten commandments grant a knowledge of sin?

Hello David, apologies I thought that you would be able to interpret the scriptures. Let me help. Your question was...

I asked you whether the ten commandments only grant a knowledge of sin.

So you agree that the 10 Commandments give a knowledge of sin correct? Then why do you break the 4th commandment?

Your question was answered with three scriptures. Let's look at them with a little more detail comparing other scriptures..

ROMANS 7:7, says you cannot know what sin is without God's LAW. What law is Paul talking about here? You shall not Covet *EXODUS 20:17 is a reference to yep you guessed it the 10 commandments.

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JAMES 4:17, says to him that knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. Another words if God's Word tells you to do something and you do not do it then to you it is sin. [There is none Good but God]

Jesus expounds on this here...

MATTHEW 19:17-19
[17]And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
[19], Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Which commandments are we talking about here? Yep the 10 Commandments *EXODUS 20:12-17 of our duty of LOVE to our fellow man.

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ROMANS 14:23 says whatsoever is not of faith is sin. What is the faith? Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD * ROMANS 10:17. So if you reject any of God's WORD then you do not show FAITH and to you it is sin.

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In fact this is just the beggining. When you come to Jesus and repent and confess our sins we are free to walk in his Spirit through faith in his WORD. We are given exceeding great and precious promises to become a partaker of the divine nature to escape the corruption that is in the world through lust *1 PETER 1:4.

God's 10 commandments are his promises to those who walk by faith and not be sight *2 CORINTHIANS 5:7. Through FAITH in God's WORD we walk in the Spirit to follow Jesus *GALATIANS 5:16. This is why we need to be Born again *JOHN 3:3-7. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith *1 JOHN 5:4.

Hope this is more helpful to you David.

klutedavid · Sep 21, 2018

I asked you to demonstrate from the scripture that, sin is defined by the ten commandments.

This is the way you responded.

Hello David, apologies I thought that you would be able to interpret the scriptures. It does not seem so. Let me help. Your question was...

What a condescending attitude you have. You have decided that I cannot interpret the scripture.

A simple question and your response is on display.

So you agree that the 10 Commandments give a knowledge of sin correct? Then why do you break the 4th commandment?

Another accusation, your replies are not civil. Is this the way that you talk to people around you? Where did you learn to behave like this towards others?

Your question was answered with three scriptures.

You did not answer my question by quoting three verses, because none of those verses. Supported your premise, the premise that, sin is only breaking the ten commandments.

ROMANS 7:7, says you cannot know what sin is without God's LAW. What law is Paul talking about here? You shall not Covet *EXODUS 20:17 is a reference to yep you guessed it the 10 commandments.

Paul is quoting from the law, Paul did not say, sin is breaking the ten commandments. Here is what Paul said in Romans.

Romans 7:7
I would not have come to know sin except through the Law;...

The law grants the knowledge of sin!

JAMES 4:17, says to him that knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. Another words if God's Word tells you to do something and you do not do it then to you it is sin. [There is none Good but God]

This has nothing to do with the question I asked. I see no mention of the ten commandments only granting the knowledge of sin. This premise seems to be one of the weak points in your theology.

Here is an example of a clearly defined sin in the law.

Exodus 21:16
He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.

The sin of kidnapping is not one of the ten commandments. It is certainly clear that the whole law grants a knowledge of sin and not just the ten commandments.

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<LGW>Jason this statement has no truth in it whatsoever and is simply your words over God's WORD. None of the first 4 of the 10 Commandments which are our duty towards God are repeated word for word in the NEW TESTAMENT. Yet everyone of them is repeated and reconfirmed in the NEW TESTAMENT (SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE CLICK ME). I suggest you read your bible and stop saying things that are not true.<end>

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Where is it stated in the NT that the Sabbath is commanded for gentiles Christians?

LGW said:
HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

You are misquoting this scripture and quoting it out of context.

NIV Hebrews 4:8-11
(8) For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
(9) There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest [σαββατισμός/sabbatismos] for the people of God;
(10) for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.
(11) Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

The word in vs. 9 is σαββατισμός/sabbatismos i.e. sabbatism. Not σάββατον/sabbaton, the Sabbath day. There is no requirement or necessity for believers to "make every effort" to observe the weekly Sabbath and missing a Sabbath does not cause one to perish.

LGW said:
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<LGW>There are 10 commandments that are spoken and written by God in God's WORD (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4) No where in God's WORD does it talk about the 9 commandments just as there is no scripture in all of God's WORD that says that God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Sorry Jason your teaching here as shown in the scriptures have no truth in it. Jesus and all the Apostles taught all of God's Commandments in the NEW TESTAMENT not nine of them. Hope this helps.<end>

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The Sabbath was given exclusively to the children of Israel, not all mankind and the Jews understood it this way.

Leviticus 24:8 Every Sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.
Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
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Jewish Encyclopedia-Gentiles
the Gentiles have no share in the life to come (Tosef., Sanh. xiii. 2; Sanh. 105a).
"The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast" (Miḳ. viii. 4, referring to Ezek. l.c.)
Hence the Talmud prohibited the teaching to a Gentile of the Torah, "the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob" (Deut. xxxiii. 4). R. Johanan says of one so teaching: "Such a person deserves death"
Resh Laḳish (d. 278) said, "A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death" (Sanh. 58b). This refers to a Gentile who accepted the seven laws of the Noachidæ, inasmuch as "the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone," and it was probably directed against the Christian Jews, who disregarded the Mosaic laws and yet at that time kept up the observance of the Jewish Sabbath. Rabbina, who lived about 150 years after the Christians had changed the day of rest to Sunday, could not quite understand the principle underlying Resh Laḳish's law, and, commenting upon it, added: "not even on Mondays [is the Gentile allowed to rest]"; intimating that the mandate given to the Noachidæ that "day and night shall not cease" ( לאשבתו="have no rest ") should be taken in a literal sense (Gen. viii. 22)
GENTILE - JewishEncyclopedia.com

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