‘How hard can that be, saying that Nazis are bad?’ Obama’s anti-Trump speech, annotated

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What's more interesting is why you and others think they're the most important thing to talk about in a thread about certain people's difficulties in saying that white supremacists are bad.
Because it's interesting how you ignore the group of domestic terrorists who share your politics and go after the ones who don't. I think the word I'm looking for is, "hypocritical".
 
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Good for Obama. At least he's not silent about Trump.
I don't think anything here or elsewhere is 'good' for Obama. Perhaps Yahweh will permit Obama to repent and be saved ? THAT would be GOOD! (ETERNALLY!)
 
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Want to compare the body count of Nazis versus antifa?
I"m going to go out on a limb and say that the standing army of germany probably killed a bit more people than the anarchist did.

It would seem to me that identifying as a Nazi precludes you from any chance of being considered a "good person".
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Given that these people don't identify themselves as part of the German National Socialist party you seem confused. Do you think people who identify themselves as Antifa are also precluded from being good people?
 
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Some people really don't like it when you point out their heroes are hypocrites.
Some people do. (none presently referred to in this thread though, obviously)

re the wise man rejoices in truth, so when that which is false and wrong is exposed, even though it may be devastating and embarrassing (as written in Bible),
it is better than suffering in judgment later (in the resurrection judgment(s) and punishment(s) ) ....
 
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I"m going to go out on a limb and say that the standing army of germany probably killed a bit more people than the anarchist did.

Given that these people don't identify themselves as part of the German National Socialist party you seem confused. Do you think people who identify themselves as Antifa are also precluded from being good people?

Moving those goalposts. "Well, if you don't directly associate with the German National Socialist party, you're not really a Nazi....even if you chant about Jews 'not replacing us' and carry swastikas!"

The Bible told us there'd be times like these: "call evil good and good evil" and all that.
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Moving those goalposts. "Well, if you don't directly associate with the German National Socialist party, you're not really a Nazi....even if you chant about Jews 'not replacing us' and carry swastikas!"
I realize this is a very hard concept for some folks to get but... it is possible to be a white nationalist without being a Nazi.

The Bible told us there'd be times like these: "call evil good and good evil" and all that.
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Yeah I bet it just hurts your heart that the president also said that Antifa had good people in it too.
 
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I realize this is a very hard concept for some folks to get but... it is possible to be a white nationalist without being a Nazi.

Distinction without a difference.

Yeah I bet it just hurts your heart that the president also said that Antifa had good people in it too.

Oh you sure got me. Gee...that makes it totally OK that the president called the person who ran over Heather Heyer, and the others who enabled him, "good people"!
/sarcasm

The length you'll go to excuse this behavior says an awful lot about your character...or the lack of it.
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Distinction without a difference.
Only for the intellectually dishonest.

Oh you sure got me. Gee...that makes it totally OK that the president called the person who ran over Heather Heyer, and the others who enabled him, "good people"!
And now your just flat out lying. At the same news conference where he made this comment about the driver:
I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family and this country. And that is – you can call it terrorism, you can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That’s what I’d call it. And there is a question. Is it murder? Is it terrorism? Then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer, and what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing.
Again, that thing about intellectual honesty.
The length you'll go to excuse this behavior says an awful lot about your character...or the lack of it.
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You do have the eye for propagandizing, don't you? Ignore the definition of words and apply them as you wish as long as you can use it to paint people how you want.
 
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Only for the intellectually dishonest.

Please proceed, governor.

And now your just flat out lying. At the same news conference where he made this comment about the driver:

He had to be cajoled into even that statement, which should have been the easiest in the world to make. Some tower of moral strength we have occupying the Oval Office.

Again, that thing about intellectual honesty.
You do have the eye for propagandizing, don't you? Ignore the definition of words and apply them as you wish as long as you can use it to paint people how you want.

Again: please specify. I'd love to hear how I'm "ignoring the definition of words" when these people who marched in Charlottesville never made any bones about who they are and what they believe.
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Please proceed, governor.
As you wish Miss.

He had to be cajoled into even that statement, which should have been the easiest in the world to make. Some tower of moral strength we have occupying the Oval Office.
In what way was he "cajoled" into making that statement?



Again: please specify. I'd love to hear how I'm "ignoring the definition of words" when these people who marched in Charlottesville never made any bones about who they are and what they believe.
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Nope, they've never made any bones about who they are. They are degenerate white nationalist.
 
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In what way was he "cajoled" into making that statement?

Did he not have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into finally holding a press conference on Charlottesville? A good president would have denounced the Nazis who marched there right away. Donny 'good people on both sides' waited until something like 3 or 4 in the afternoon, a few hours after Heather was killed.

Nope, they've never made any bones about who they are. They are degenerate white nationalist.

I agree that they're degenerate, but I'm specifically asking what you mean when you say that white nationalist != Nazi.
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Did he not have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into finally holding a press conference on Charlottesville? A good president would have denounced the Nazis who marched there right away. Donny 'good people on both sides' waited until something like 3 or 4 in the afternoon, a few hours after Heather was killed.
The "fine people" comment and the comment I quoted above both come from the exact same press conference.
Transcript: President Trump talks infrastructure, Virginia violence

I agree that they're degenerate, but I'm specifically asking what you mean when you say that white nationalist != Nazi.
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One are members of the German National Socialist Party and the others believe in the superiority of their race. That both of the groups believe that they were superior because of their race doesn't make both groups Nazis. Just like all ducks are birds, not all birds are ducks.
 
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The "fine people" comment and the comment I quoted above both come from the exact same press conference.
Transcript: President Trump talks infrastructure, Virginia violence

Right...the one he did hours after the event itself, where his supporters marched on Charlottesville chanting "Jews will not replace us".

I remember the day quite well. For a long time there was no word from the "president" until, finally, he was ambushed at Trump tower and issued his equivocating "both sides" statement.

One are members of the German National Socialist Party and the others believe in the superiority of their race. That both of the groups believe that they were superior because of their race doesn't make both groups Nazis. Just like all ducks are birds, not all birds are ducks.

Oh. So it's really just splitting hairs over semantics. At least you don't seem to be trying to defend Jason Kessler types.

I mean....if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck....does it matter whether it identifies as a duck?
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TerranceL said:
Because it's interesting how you ignore the group of domestic terrorists who share your politics and go after the ones who don't.

I'm fairly confident in saying that Nazis/white supremacists/whatever they call themselves don't share KC's views.
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Right...the one he did hours after the event itself, where his supporters marched on Charlottesville chanting "Jews will not replace us".

I remember the day quite well. For a long time there was no word from the "president" until, finally, he was ambushed at Trump tower and issued his equivocating "both sides" statement.
You're complaining about a few hours? If he'd made a statement right after the event you'd be telling us how he was grandstanding and using the woman's death to make himself look better.



Oh. So it's really just splitting hairs over semantics. At least you don't seem to be trying to defend Jason Kessler types.

I mean....if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck....does it matter whether it identifies as a duck?
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I hadn't defending any of these people. Also your argument, "walks like a duck etc" is the same one used by people who call democrats socialist, communist and Stalinists and such. Calling people what they are isn't "splitting hairs, it's honesty.
 
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