Maybe you might open a poll here to get a sense of how many people regard the American founding documents as Gospel.
Correct. What test is there in Scripture, from Yahweh, to see if they are true Christians or not ?
“They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.” (1 John 4:5–8)
Somewhere in a paraphrase or commentary it is explained from Scripture as Jesus says:
They are. They are a pretty spot on rendering of Biblical principle regarding human government.
So, is doing what God created mankind to do also dung? Which is: A father and mother procreating childern with God and in Christ raising godly children that are fit to populate heaven with?
That is moral equivalence where there is none. The problems of other groups that have not adapted the kinds of institutions of civil society and democracy and free speech, etc, etc. that traditional Christians in America are defending do not have exactly the same problems with power. There problems with power are much worse.
Who says that things are getting worse?me said:
Remember Peter? When the disciples had first joined Jesus, they believed that Jesus would bring about an earthly kingdom. You see, there was great social injustice at that time. The Romans were imperialists from Europe who were subjugating other nations and peoples. And they invaded and took authority in the land that was given to the Jewish people. And these Romans were very brutal people and were unlike any enemies that the Jewish people had faced to that day. They wanted YWVH to come and save them, and many were expecting a Messiah to come and deliver them from the bondage of the enemy. So when Jesus said that He was to give His Life for the world, and this was what the Messiah was sent to do, this kind of shattered hopes among the disciples, who had already been jostling for position in Christ's coming kingdom. And when Peter confronted Jesus, Jesus turned and said unto Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Matthew 16:23 We are not to allow the concerns of this world choke us out, whereby we are unfruitful. Mark 4:19
I think it's more like you just got owned and now your trying to change the subject. Yes , it is what we are talking about. We have three groups of people here saying their political position is correct. One the left, the other the right, (my position) and others saying true Christianity is above politics . My strategy in the argument with the later group, (yours) is to use scripture and common sense to show why true Christianity, true spirituality by necessity extends into the political realm.
But truth is not useless to Christ.
That assumes Christ has no political agenda which I disagree with.
People may wonder but I know exactly why. It was not an issue that could be dealt with at the time. It would take God's providence approx 1500 years before the circumstances where such that he could even begin to deal with such a horrendous evil. Much greater evil had to be contended with and overcome first.
Of course they do.
And what if my "worldly agenda" if enacted ultimately creates the circumstances for a billion more people going to heaven and your ever so spiritual agenda is the cause of a billion people not ever getting that chance? Ever thought of that?
Give it it up. You cannot discern me and are too wise in your own eyes to care.
