Do you believe there will be a hierarchy in the next life?

ImAllLikeOkWaitWat said:

Perhaps i'm wrong but while I do agree Jesus will be at the top, I don't think its Jesus then the rest of us. If this were the case why were jesus 12 disciples worried about who got to sit next to jesus on the throne? Lets assume they were talking about an earthly kingdom well we still know that its said over and over in the bible Jesus sits at the right hand of God. So at least there is a throne in God's kingdom. And if so that to me suggests a hierarchy.

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Do you mean like a pope?

Jesus [in Luke 19:11-27] seems to teach this, particularly,

“And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’"

Paul talks about running the race to win the heavenly prize. Also in 2 Timothy 2:5 he says: "An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules."

I do believe that we will all be happy in heaven, but some will have more than others. It will be justice for what we have done on earth.

in 1 Corinthians 3:15 (New International Version)
15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

Some people will make it in the last seconds he uses the word escape. It means that some will just go to heaven and that will be all they get.

That's very funny that you'd bring that up, cause I've thought about it, and if maybe I was a little bit higher up than some others what would that be like in heaven... I think it only means a teacher or a guide but very little more... Anyway, I thought about the fact if I was to greet some of these people upon entering heaven and if I was already there, and they would be like "Your higher than us, your above us...? Why is that...?", Then I would greet them and say to them, "Look around... Do you know where you are...?" (And if they did they'd be a little awestruck, a little dumbstruck at that point) And then I'd say, "Do you really think any of that matters here, in this place...?" And then, I'd tell them that "I would be very much honored and very glad to show you around if you like...?"

And then we'd all get to see, wonder, experience, explore, all the endless awe and wonder of all that is in heaven forever and ever... It is very, very, very, very, very, way very much "more" than "here" ever is or could be... I do not think we can ever imagine it right...

Anyway, if their is a hierarchy, I do not think it will really matter... Especially there...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

Anyway, if their is a hierarchy, I do not think it will really matter... Especially there...

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I have no ambition to seek a particular office. In terms of the parable, I DO want to maximize my spiritual ROI, regardless of how it compares to other people.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWat said:

Perhaps i'm wrong but while I do agree Jesus will be at the top, I don't think its Jesus then the rest of us. If this were the case why were jesus 12 disciples worried about who got to sit next to jesus on the throne? Lets assume they were talking about an earthly kingdom well we still know that its said over and over in the bible Jesus sits at the right hand of God. So at least there is a throne in God's kingdom. And if so that to me suggests a hierarchy.

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In the Heaven there is Love and Truth. The authorities there are slaves: need the quote?

ImAllLikeOkWaitWat said:

Jesus will be at the top,

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Our Heavenly Father will be above Jesus > 1 Corinthians 11:3. And we know how our Father and Jesus are both God; so one can be higher than another who is equal. But hierarchy can be for specialization, not only for honor or superiority and control.

And we see how Paul gave directions to Timothy for how Timothy would appoint people who are qualified to take care of God's people > 1 Timothy 3:1-10. And these men would be over the ones they took care of > Hebrews 13:17. So, there was hierarchy on earth for Jesus' church.

But we can see, I think, how the man qualified to take care of the church is a family man who has learned at home how to rule his own house, so we know he is qualified to take care of God's people. So, this hierarchy is of people of family caring and sharing love

And we see in a family how if a baby is under everyone else, this has nothing to do with if the baby is loved or not or is inferior or not. But one's position in a family hierarchy is related to what the person is ready to handle in God's loving way.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWat said:

why were jesus 12 disciples worried about who got to sit next to jesus on the throne?

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They did not understand how a hierarchy of love is. And if they asked to be sitting on the throne, this does not automatically mean that anyone would sit with Jesus. What wrong and immature humans say in quotes, in the Bible, is not necessarily true; but the Bible is only giving an accurate quote of what they said > then, it might be correct, what they said, or not exactly

ImAllLikeOkWaitWat said:

So at least there is a throne in God's kingdom. And if so that to me suggests a hierarchy.

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Yes . . . a hierarchy of love and humility, not merely of honor and fame and accomplishment and other ego issues.

Neogaia777 said:

they would be like "Your higher than us, your above us...? Why is that...?",

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Neogaia777 said:

I'd tell them that "I would be very much honored and very glad to show you around if you like...?"

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Indeed, the hierarchy is for servants.

Neogaia777 said:

Anyway, if their is a hierarchy, I do not think it will really matter... Especially there...

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I think this is a good point.

Sabertooth said:

regardless of how it compares to other people.

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Love is not concerned about how we compare with other people, as far as what we have and our position is concerned. But we care about how others are, and we need to feed on the good example of others, but not compete but seek to share in love.

2 Corinthians 12:10

absolutely there is a hierarchy which is why Jesus was always telling us the first shall be last and the last first. the one who serve here will rule in heaven ect...

ImAllLikeOkWaitWat said:

Perhaps i'm wrong but while I do agree Jesus will be at the top, I don't think its Jesus then the rest of us. If this were the case why were jesus 12 disciples worried about who got to sit next to jesus on the throne? Lets assume they were talking about an earthly kingdom well we still know that its said over and over in the bible Jesus sits at the right hand of God. So at least there is a throne in God's kingdom. And if so that to me suggests a hierarchy.

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I think there will be, but not for all eternity though, but only during the thousand years when one is reigning with Christ over the surviving nations at the time.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Eventually this has to be fulfilled. But in the meantime before this is fulfilled, there are things such as the following to consider.

Luke 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

Luke 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

This seems to depict a hierarchy of some kind. One servant is rewarded with being over 10 cities, while another one is rewarded with being over 5 cities. Why not the same amount of cities for each? And what is the significance of being over cities after the 2nd coming? Maybe literal cities are not even meant, that I'm not sure about, but that's beside the point even if literal cities are not meant. Something is meant here though, and it's meaning after the 2nd coming but likely prior to the fulfillment of 1 Corinthians 15:28.

QUOTE="ImAllLikeOkWaitWat, post: 73187530, member: 379935"]Perhaps i'm wrong but while I do agree Jesus will be at the top, I don't think its Jesus then the rest of us. If this were the case why were jesus 12 disciples worried about who got to sit next to jesus on the throne? Lets assume they were talking about an earthly kingdom well we still know that its said over and over in the bible Jesus sits at the right hand of God. So at least there is a throne in God's kingdom. And if so that to me suggests a hierarchy.[/QUOTE

Good. Realize that Yahweh's Way is not man's way(s). His Order is not man's order.

The Way Yahweh Does things is not at all man's way(s), no more are His Thoughts man's thoughts, no, not at all.

So the order in the RESURRECTION LIFE to come, will be as Yahweh Planned all along, not as man ever planned.