The President's Broken Brain Was on Full Display in Montana

The Barbarian said:

For a Catholic, the apostolic succession defines who is a vicar of Christ. And it's not the guy who betrayed four wives in succession, and had to pay off some of the women to keep them quiet during his presidential campaign.

Even in the informal view of the term as an imitation of Christ, how do you figure Trump's repeated adulteries and his boasting about sexual assault, make him Christlike?

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NO ONE thinks that his heinous flaws make him Christlike.

No one said anything of the kind. But God uses all kinds of flawed individuals who do terrible things. Abraham lied about his wife being his sister. Isaac gave his blessing to the wrong son. Jacob lied about everything and stole his brother Esau's blessing. The ancient Persian King Cyrus wasn't even an Israelite and worshiped other deities, but God called and used him to build the Temple at Jerusalem for His people AND send all the exiles back to Jerusalem. Hosea married a prostitute. Peter denied Jesus Christ 3 times and was preaching 40 days later at Pentecost.

The Barbarian said:

Microphone excuse has already been used. No chance. On the other hand, he's very vain and never admits the slightest imperfection on his part. So as I suggested, dental issues could be the cause of his frequent slurring.

However, analyses of his speed from decades ago, shows a marked deterioration in usage, vocabulary, and sentence complexity.

That's not a good sign.

He was not always so linguistically challenged.


STAT reviewed decades of Trump’s on-air interviews and compared them to Q&A sessions since his inauguration. The differences are striking and unmistakable.


Research has shown that changes in speaking style can result from cognitive decline. STAT therefore asked experts in neurolinguistics and cognitive assessment, as well as psychologists and psychiatrists, to compare Trump’s speech from decades ago to that in 2017; they all agreed there had been a deterioration, and some said it could reflect changes in the health of Trump’s brain.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-speaking-style-interviews/

It's marked decline in quality, one that is unusual in presidents.

An analysis of the President's first 30,000 words uttered in office found Mr Trump speaks at a third- to seventh-grade reading level – lower than any other President since 1929. Mr Trump’s vocabulary and grammatical structure is “significantly more simple, and less diverse” than any President since Herbert Hoover, the analysis found.


The comparison is based on interviews, speeches and press conferences for every president dating back to 1929, compiled by online database Factba.se. Analysts at Factba.se studied the “off-script” remarks of all 15 men – essentially, everything but their prepared speeches – to compare and contrast their speaking skills.

Analysts ran the records through eight different tests for vocabulary complexity, diversity, and comprehension level. In every single test, Mr Trump scored the lowest.


Mr Trump averaged significantly fewer syllables per word than the last 14 Presidents, and used significantly fewer unique words. The gaps appeared when comparing all available remarks, and when comparing only the first 30,000 words of each presidency. Social media posts were excluded from the data.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ht-year-old-vocabulary-analysis-a8149926.html

On the other hand, Hoover was at least above-average in intelligence. So it's not a certain mark of low intelligence. It's troubling though that his speech has deteriorated over the years. That was not the case with Hoover.

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Let's see how you look when you are 70 and making multiple speeches a week. We will compare it to now and then all ridicule you, k?

Sounds inappropriate, no? Don't worry. I don't mock people and wouldn't mock you when you do the inevitable....age, and maybe don't enunciate perfectly 100 percent of the time. Goodness, I did that when I was young (and once on TV...closed circuit, but it was embarrassing! I was about 30!).

Barbarian observes:
Microphone excuse has already been used. No chance. On the other hand, he's very vain and never admits the slightest imperfection on his part. So as I suggested, dental issues could be the cause of his frequent slurring.

However, analyses of his speed from decades ago, shows a marked deterioration in usage, vocabulary, and sentence complexity.

That's not a good sign.

He was not always so linguistically challenged.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-speaking-style-interviews/

Analysts ran the records through eight different tests for vocabulary complexity, diversity, and comprehension level. In every single test, Mr Trump scored the lowest.

Mr Trump averaged significantly fewer syllables per word than the last 14 Presidents, and used significantly fewer unique words. The gaps appeared when comparing all available remarks, and when comparing only the first 30,000 words of each presidency. Social media posts were excluded from the data.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ht-year-old-vocabulary-analysis-a8149926.html

RestoreTheJoy said:

Let's see how you look when you are 70 and making multiple speeches a week.

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I'm 71, and I still speak before clubs periodically. I also teach on occasion. Recently I offered a prayer at a wedding and got applause, which sort of surprised me. But I finished strong.

"And now abide faith, hope, and love, these three. But the greatest of these is love."

Who wouldn't like that?

We will compare it to now and then all ridicule you, k?

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I'm pretty good at that kind of thing, but now, I sometimes refer to notes for long speeches. Memory seems to be less than it was when I was younger.

Sounds inappropriate, no? Don't worry. I don't mock people and wouldn't mock you when you do the inevitable....age, and maybe don't enunciate perfectly 100 percent of the time.

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I'm not mocking him. It could have been me instead of him. I'm pointing out that it's worrisome that he's in that position, with that kind of impairment.

Goodness, I did that when I was young (and once on TV...closed circuit, but it was embarrassing! I was about 30!).

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As time goes on, you get better at it.

RestoreTheJoy said:

NO ONE thinks that his heinous flaws make him Christlike.

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That's what "vicar of Christ" means. It's the same root as "vicarious." It means acting as Christ. It is the same idea as an imitation of Christ. And that, Trump is definitely not.

The Barbarian said:

That's what "vicar of Christ" means. It's the same root as "vicarious." It means acting as Christ. It is the same idea as an imitation of Christ. And that, Trump is definitely not.

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I'm not the one who used that term.

That term generally is used in reference to the Pope today, but it has been used in various ways throughout history, including just for any person who is an "standing in the place of" or "earthly representative of God" in any way. That could be pastor, priest, even any messenger.

His public behavior isn't Christlike. So stipulated, and no one has claimed otherwise.

But only God if he is using him in some fashion for reasons known to Him. Or if his heart will come to Him. We just don't know.

We are commanded to pray for our leaders, as believers. That's our part.

RestoreTheJoy said:

I'm not the one who used that term.

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Then it was probably a bad idea to get involved with it.

That term generally is used in reference to the Pope today

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It also applies to bishops, and not just Roman Catholic bishops. And in the sense of "an imitation of Christ" it applies to saints as well.

His public behavior isn't Christlike. So stipulated, and no one has claimed otherwise.

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The person who claimed him to be a vicar of Christ was certainly claiming so.

But only God if he is using him in some fashion for reasons known to Him.

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Herod seems unlikely to have been a vicar of Christ.

We are commanded to pray for our leaders, as believers. That's our part.

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I pray that he manages to get though this mess, every day. Nixon was mean and vindictive, but he did some very good things for America, because in spite of his malicious nature, he was very capable, even brilliant in his foreign policy.

Trump is weaker and irascible rather than malicious, but he doesn't know what he's doing. And that's unsettling.

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Same with Cyrus, the ancient Persian Leader, who was not an Israelite or believer in God in any way. But God used him to facilitate getting his people to Jerusalem and even called him "anointed". Isaiah 44

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Herod seems unlikely to have been a vicar of Christ.



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Same with Cyrus, the ancient Persian Leader, who was not an Israelite or believer in God in any way. But God used him to facilitate getting his people to Jerusalem and even called him "anointed". Isaiah 44.

Your job, assuming you are a believer, as required in these forums, is to pray for your leaders.

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RestoreTheJoy said:

Same with Cyrus, the ancient Persian Leader, who was not an Israelite or believer in God in any way. But God used him to facilitate getting his people to Jerusalem and even called him "anointed". Isaiah 44

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If you think of Herod and Trump as equivalents to Cyrus, I'd say you don't read your Bible well enough.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Your job, assuming you are a believer, as required in these forums, is to pray for your leaders.

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I pray for them all the time. The current crop need prayer, a lot more than previous officeholders. I truly am concerned about that the presidency seems to have been harmful to Trump's mental health, and I hope it is reversible.

The Barbarian said:

"Quesht". "United Shtates". "Plaeshtinians." Something is wrong. Unless it's recent visit to the dentist, it's not good.

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I can accept that it's a slip of the tongue (teeth?). I just assumed Donny had dentures. It's not his mishaps in saying words that concerns me--it's everything else he does.

-CryptoLutheran

The Barbarian said:

If you think of Herod and Trump as equivalents to Cyrus, I'd say you don't read your Bible well enough.



I pray for them all the time. The current crop need prayer, a lot more than previous officeholders. I truly am concerned about that the presidency seems to have been harmful to Trump's mental health, and I hope it is reversible.

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My point is that God will use whoever he wants, and most particularly those whom the mainstream Church abhors, to get something done. I gave several examples upthread.

I think God enjoys seeing the faux righteous indignation when the "wrong" person is used by Him to accomplish something.

RestoreTheJoy said:

My point is that God will use whoever he wants, and most particularly those whom the mainstream Church abhors, to get something done. I gave several examples upthread.

I think God enjoys seeing the faux righteous indignation when the "wrong" person is used by Him to accomplish something.

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I don't see how God thinks that adultery and corruption accomplishes anything.

The Barbarian said:

I don't see how God thinks that adultery and corruption accomplishes anything.

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Then I guess according to your view, King David - the "man after God's own heart" - accomplished nothing and was not used by God. David committed adultery - and had her husband sent to the front so he would likely be killed. Moses committed murder - guess God couldn't use him to lead his people out of Egypt either.

Abraham lied, Isaac blessed the wrong son, being deceived...Jacob was a deceiver. But God is known as
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

He does what He wants. And He uses imperfect and sinful men, as well as "very good" men.

Catholic Values Voter said:

I disagree. Donald Trump is a good man and a true Vicar of Christ.

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He is nothing of the sort, perhaps a good man which is arguable but Vicar of Christ, I dare say is a gross exaggeration.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Somebody please tell me this is satire.....if not,things are much worse than I thought

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I can find no reason to conclude he is a Christian, let alone a Vicar of Christ. We cannot be talking about the same guy who is playing golf most of his time in office.

Castro claimed to be a Christian .....I suspect they could both belong to “The Church Whose Members Do Not Have To Ask For Forgiveness”....... that is what trump claimed.....sad.

RestoreTheJoy said:

NO ONE thinks that his heinous flaws make him Christlike.

No one said anything of the kind. But God uses all kinds of flawed individuals who do terrible things. Abraham lied about his wife being his sister. Isaac gave his blessing to the wrong son. Jacob lied about everything and stole his brother Esau's blessing. The ancient Persian King Cyrus wasn't even an Israelite and worshiped other deities, but God called and used him to build the Temple at Jerusalem for His people AND send all the exiles back to Jerusalem. Hosea married a prostitute. Peter denied Jesus Christ 3 times and was preaching 40 days later at Pentecost.

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Its true that God often works through the most unlikely of individuals to serve as his messenger!

It is also true that there were no "narcissists" on the list - those chosen were not ambitious for themselves and balked at assuming this responsibility!

"The Donald" on the other hand feels entitled to be wealthy and wield power - he sees no need to seek forgiveness from sin, which according to 1 John 1:8-10, makes God a "LIAR!"

The Barbarian said:

For a Catholic, the apostolic succession defines who is a vicar of Christ. And it's not the guy who betrayed four wives in succession, and had to pay off some of the women to keep them quiet during his presidential campaign.

Even in the informal view of the term as an imitation of Christ, how do you figure Trump's repeated adulteries and his boasting about sexual assault, make him Christlike?

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Would you like to correct your mistake in this quoted post of yours ?
I understand slamming and mocking President Trump on a daily basis allows a lot of room for you to slander , but does not excuse it.
I'll give you some time to correct your mistake.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

If there were any justice,the anonymous op- ed writer would be receiving The Medal of Honor Award.

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Please. There is no honor in being a coward.

Barbarian observes:
For a Catholic, the apostolic succession defines who is a vicar of Christ. And it's not the guy who betrayed four wives in succession, and had to pay off some of the women to keep them quiet during his presidential campaign.

Even in the informal view of the term as an imitation of Christ, how do you figure Trump's repeated adulteries and his boasting about sexual assault, make him Christlike?

ItIsFinished! said:

Would you like to correct your mistake in this quoted post of yours ?

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Which of the assertions do you think is in error? I'd be pleased to show you the evidence for them.

I understand slamming and mocking President Trump on a daily basis allows a lot of room for you to slander , but does not excuse it.

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Slander (actually libel when it comes to written communication) only occurs if the information is false. Except in Australia, interestingly enough. So, if we said all these things about Donald Trump in Australia, you might have a case.

I'll give you some time to correct your mistake.

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We aren't in Australia. At least I'm not. So you're out of luck.

G'day mate.