Is the Beast in Rev 17 is all Rome ?

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... They were...

1. [44-31 BC] Julius Caesar (Augustus) AND Marcus Antonius (Marc Antony)
2. [27-14 BC] Julius Caesar (Augustus)
3. [14-37 AD] Tiberius
4. [37-41 AD] Caligula
5. [41-54 AD] Claudius
6. [54-68 AD] Nero
-- Please allow my supplemented/adjusted information above --


Roman history is:
  1. 105-100 BC Caius Marius
  2. 88-79 BC Lucius Cornelius (Felix) Sylla
  3. 59-44 BC Gaius Julius Caesar
  4. 44-31 BC Julius Caesar (Augustus) AND Marcus Antonius (Marc Antony)
  5. 27-14 BC Julius Caesar (Augustus)
  6. 14-37 AD Tiberius
  7. 37-41 AD Caligula
  8. 41-54 AD Claudius
  9. 54-68 AD Nero -- etc.

But that's OK. I often line-through one-term U.S. Presidents, and even sometimes line-though Democratic or Republican Party U.S. Presidents, depending on the points I want to make.

So where you parsed the "family" associations, the Empire History is quite different, and there's no reason for John to have parsed Roman History as you've proposed, -- or for me to have parsed U.S. Presidential history.

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The Angel says the heads are 7 hillswhere the Woman sits. The word "Hills" makes the link or leap to Rome. The KJV and NIV translate the word as hills. Most others use mountains. If the translators were consistent we would be saying the "Hill of Olives" " Hill Zion". The word is used 64 times (Strong's 3735) , 62 times translated mount or mountain. Daniel in chapter 7 has 4 beast with a total of 7 heads with the final beast having 10 horns. They are 4 different kingdoms. How then is all the heads on the 7 headed beast in REV 17 all Rome ?

Ahem...

First of all, this has NOTHING to do with physical hills or mountain in Italy or 7 emperors. These are all speculations from carnal minds without biblical validation. We MUST compare Scripture with Scripture to find God's definition for the number 7, heads, and mountains. The interpretation always belongs to God which we must find it in His Holy Word, not national geography, history book, weather, Jerusalem Post, Google map, etc.

Genesis 40:8 KJV
[8] And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.​

Tonight, I will explain how we can understand the number 7 (seven) in Scripture. The number seven rather than representing the perfection is often numerical symbology illustrating the 'totality or completeness' of whatever is in view. It is the 'all inclusiveness' of a thing.

For example, the seven Churches of Asia (Revelation 1-3) represent the 'totality' of God's congregations (nothing to do with dispensationalism). This can be clearly seen as God says Christ stands in the midst of the seven candlesticks. This signifies that Christ stands in the midst of all Churches 'which are represented by these seven Churches' of Asia. Likewise, they are called seven golden candlesticks signifying that they are to be what the Old Testament called the [tamiyd], the 'Continual' or the 'Daily.' They are to be the light of the world shinning continually. This can also be seen in the seven stars of the seven candlesticks (Churches) which are the seven messengers of the Churches, and they are in God's right hand. These are all the messengers of the Churches whom God holds securely and who do His will (the right hand). The truth is, when God talks to these seven Churches, He is not talking to just those, nor talking to physical churches in Turkey, rather He is talking to all believers and to all Churches throughout time! The totality of them which spans throughout time. We, today, are part of the seven (totality) Churches to whom God gives these warnings and encouragements!

Revelation 2:7
  • "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches: To Him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of Life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
God is talking to US, and all ELECT, and that is why these things found themselves recorded on pages to become scripture. To think that these messages were only to the seven Churches of that literal place in Asia is very foolish. Please notice that they are directed to 'he who hath an ear to hear.' That is all true believers. Not only the 1st century believers! The totality or complete Church throughout time. And the number seven signifies this totality. It is a Blessing to the faithful Church, and a warning to the unfaithful church. Overcome, and live, forsake God, and He will remove your Candlestick out of it's place. The seven Churches of Asia stand to represent all the Churches. The complete Church from then until our day.

Another place to see this symbolism is in the episode of the seven baskets full of fragments that was taken up when Jesus did His miracles.

Matthew 15:37
  • "And they did eat, and were filled, and they took up of the broken that was left, seven baskets full."
It is the totality of baskets taken up. The number seven illustrates that these baskets were 'completely' full. Upon careful consideration of the example, it illustrates there was still enough left over for the totality of all who are to eat of the leftover crumbs of bread. The baskets left were still totally full. Sufficient to the task. This, of course, is the spiritual 'signification' that there are enough crumbs left over for the Gentiles also. Remember the parable of the dogs eating the crumbs from their master's table?

Mark 7:28
  • "And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs".
..it is enough! The crumbs from the children's (Jews) table is enough to feed the 'totality' of the dogs (gentiles) who come after! Selah! There is spiritual signfication behind this! The seven baskets of crumbs signify that totality. For example, the miracle of Christ feeding Israel was both enough for them, and enough crumbs left over for the totality of those Gentiles who would eat the leftovers. It would feed both the First, and the Last. This is just part of the magnificent spiritual pictures that God incorporates into His Holy Word. The number seven signified the completeness of what is being spoken about.

Likewise, we can see the exact same application of the number seven in the opposite of Christ. As in the totality of authority in the kingdom of Satan. This is illustrated in the seven heads of the dragon as revealed in Revelation chapter twelve.

Revelation 12:3
  • "And there appeared another Wonder in Heaven, and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."
The seven heads are seven mountains (Revelation 17:9) which are symbolic of kingdoms. Not physical mountains or hills! The heads signifies authority, so the number seven equals the totality of authority (heads) of this dragon and of his rule throughout time. The crowns signify that it is a kingdom and the seven his complete rule throughout time in it. Thus we see in this symbolism a picture of the totality of the dragon's (Satan's) rule. That is why it says (Revelation 17:10) that five of the heads of this beast had already fallen at the time of the writing of Revelation.

Those rules of Satan were over. It said, one is, and one is yet to come, and there was a final 8th (which was part of the seven). For example, it's part of 'this totality,' and he would rule a short time near the end of the world when Satan is loosed. The Seven illustrates the totality of the time of the rule of this beast. God uses this number in this way to show us certain Spiritual truths. It illustrates the totality of his authority (heads) and rule. He is the prince of the power of the air. When the seventh king falls, that will be the end of him, the finish of the totality of his rule and authority.

Related to this is the ten horns of this Beast that signifies a rule for 'a short time.' The number ten here illustrates the fullness of time while not being the complete (totality of) time. So we see seven as the totality of his time, and the number ten as a short period he reigns in within the totality. The very context and content of Revelation Chapter seventeen also confirm this. As the ten kings had received no kingdom as yet, but would reign later, one hour with this beast. The ten kings represent the false prophets and christs in the church who have not yet rule God's congregation since the Cross, until Satan loosened where they will receive power from him to rule with him for one hour. This has nothing to do with ten emporors of Rome, ten nations of European Union, or even ten regions of the world, etc. Everything have to do with God's New Testament congregations all over the world.

The whole Bible is replete with the numerical symbology of the number seven. There were seven seals to the book that is opened by the Lamb, which were indicating that it is completely or totally secure in these seals. No one could open it but God. Likewise, the seven trumpets are indicating the totality of God's judgments. From start to finish, when we reach seven, it is finished. Or in the seven vials which are the totality of the Wrath of God that is to be poured out upon the earth. All these things show this spiritual signification of the number. Even when Mary Magdalene was healed:

luke 8:2
  • "And certain woman, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called magdalene, out of whom went Seven Devils."
Mark 16:9
  • "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, He appeared unto mary Magdalene, out of whom went Seven devils."
Jesus cast out of her seven devils to signify the totality of the rule of Satan over her. In other words, she was in spiritual bondage of Satan. Likewise, when we are saved, we are made free from Satan where he no longer has rule over us. The number seven signified the total removal of Satan from within her, and now God would make His abode there. And what agreement has the Temple of God with the temple of idols? None. Satan is totally cast out. The Number seven illustrates his total rule in the unsaved. But by Grace of God he is totally cast out when we become Saved.

Leviticus 4:6
  • "And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood seven times before the Lord, before the veil of the sanctuary".
There we see that the blood was to be sprinkled seven times, which signifies that the person is 'totally' forgiven and made completely clean. Likewise:

Matthew 18:22
  • "Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven".
In these verses God is illustrating that the number of times we should forgive someone is 'seventy times seven.' In other words, we are not to forgive just some sins, or even literally four hundred and ninety sins (70x7), but by the use of seven it is illustrating that we must forgive in totality. We must have complete forgiveness as often as we are sinned against, just as Christ has forgiven 'all' our sins. See? The number seven is multiplied by seventy (10x7) to emphasize total fullness and bring home the point that we must love as we are loved, unconditionally. As Christ continues to forgive us all our transgressions, so we are likewise to forgive in 'totality.'

Another example is in Revelation, where the Holy Spirit of God is signified by 'Seven spirits, and seven eyes.'

Revelation 3:1
  • "And unto the Angel of the Church at Sardis write, these things saith He that hath the Seven Spirits of God, and the Seven stars; I know thy Works, that thou hast a name which thou liveth, and art dead."
Revelation 4:5
  • "And out of the Throne proceedeth lightnings and Thunderings and voices; and there were Seven lamps of fire burning before the Throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."
Revelation 5:6
  • "And I beheld, and lo in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures,, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having Seven Horns, and Seven Eyes, which are the Seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."
The horns in scripture 'Signify' Power. As you can see in Revelation chapter seventeen, the ten horns that were on the Beast were said to be ten kings which had received no power (when it was written) but would receive power to rule with the beast. For example, Kings symbolize Rule, and Horns symbolize Power (horns of an animal are a figure of his power). Likewise, these horns here in Revelation chapter five signify God's Power. Unlike Satan's rule in power, God's rule in power is omnipotent. The seven horns signify the 'totality' of his rule and power, and the seven eyes illustrate the 'totality' of the watch of the Holy Spirit. Eyes equate to seeing/knowing. Seeing everything and know everything! There is one Holy Spirit, but the number seven here is numeric symbolism illustrating His presence over the totality of the world. And the same application with the Seven eyes. It illustrates his 'total' watch over the earth where He sees all. The Holy Spirit of God is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. The number seven illustrates the magnificent totality of this.

(7 horns - Omnipotent) The totality of His Power!
(7 spirits - Omnipresent) He is all (totality) Everywhere!
(7 eyes - Omniscient) He is all (totality) knowing/seeing!

Psalms 12:6
  • "The Words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified Seven Times."
Seven times illustrates 'complete' Purity. In other words, there is no impurities found God's word anywhere. Total infallibility of the Word. The spiritual significations of the number seven are seen all throughout scripture.

Revelation 5:1
  • "And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with Seven Seals."
This book was sealed totally so that none could open it but God, Himself. The number seven again signifying this total sealing.

Revelation 10:3
  • "and He cried with a loud voice, as when a Lion Roareth, and when He cried Seven thunders uttered their voices."
Seven thunders signifies the totality of God's voice. His Word will be complete, finished! The mystery is over. When that which is complete or perfect comes we will then know, even as we are known. We see the same principle as it speaks of the seventh trumpet sounding. It's the 'last' trumpet, the 'totality' of the trumpets accomplished.

Revelation 10:7
  • "but in the days of the voice of the Seventh Angel, when He shall begin to sound, the Mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the Prophets."
Again, the totality being illustrated by the number seven. It's finished, ended, all fulfilled, all complete! The Sabbath of Rest is Come. The labours in this world are over.

This is how the number seven is used in scripture to illustrate this spiritual significance. It shows us the totality of whatever is in view. This is also seen in multiples of the number such as seventy, seven hundred or seven thousand. A good example is when Jesus sent the seventy out two by two. They represented the totality of the Church. Much like the seven Churches of Asia do.

Now you need to reconsider about the seven mountains where woman sit. What do you think God is really talking about here. And no, this has nothing to do with RCC or Rome.
 
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-- Please allow my supplemented/adjusted information above --


Roman history is:
  1. 105-100 BC Caius Marius
  2. 88-79 BC Lucius Cornelius (Felix) Sylla
  3. 59-44 BC Gaius Julius Caesar
  4. 44-31 BC Julius Caesar (Augustus) AND Marcus Antonius (Marc Antony)
  5. 27-14 BC Julius Caesar (Augustus)
  6. 14-37 AD Tiberius
  7. 37-41 AD Caligula
  8. 41-54 AD Claudius
  9. 54-68 AD Nero -- etc.

But that's OK. I often line-through one-term U.S. Presidents, and even sometimes line-though Democratic or Republican Party U.S. Presidents, depending on the points I want to make.

So where you parsed the "family" associations, the Empire History is quite different, and there's no reason for John to have parsed Roman History as you've proposed, -- or for me to have parsed U.S. Presidential history.

Thanks,
DaDdad
Being the king of Rome is not the sole criteria. The kings have to be related. The 7 kings are of the Julio-Claudian family. That is how they are connected - and it says the beast "of the seven". Nero was the last of the Julio-Claudians. The next dynasty were the Flavians.

Can the kingdom of the beast be the United Nations? Is that the fourth empire? Or a muslim confederation?

No, neither. The person must be from the people who destroyed the city and temple. Which was not the United Nations. And a muslim can never be the King of Israel.

The kingdom of the ten kings and ultimately of the beast is the EU in its final form.
 
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Tonight, I will explain how we can understand the number 7 (seven) in Scripture.
It is not the number 7 (seven) used in isolation in Revelation 17:10. It is "seven kings". That is what is supposed to be understood.

As far as completion of the prophecy of the 7 kings of Revelation 17:10 - King 7 will have come to power right before the 7 years begins - evidence by the 7 heads having crowns in Revelation 12, which has the 7 years in it (12:6 + 12:14).

In Revelation 13, the heads do not have crowns, and one head has been mortally wounded. Which it is with 42 months left of 7 years in that chapter, king 7 has been mortally wounded, completing the prophecy of the 7 kings. The reason for the no crowns on the heads in that chapter.

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Conversely, the ten horns have their crowns in Revelation 13, as they are to rule with beast, fulfilling Revelation 17:17.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Their kingdom is not the United Nations. Nor a muslim confederacy. It is the EU final form, the end times Roman Empire. And King 7 and 8, the King of the Roman empire.
 
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DaDad said:
...there's no reason for John to have parsed Roman History as you've proposed ...
Being the king of Rome is not the sole criteria. The kings have to be related.
I agree. Thus there have only been TWO Presidents of the United States of America: George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. Makes sense to me. You and I like to parse things that aren't as though they were, because WE have an agenda which History doesn't fulfill, but OUR PARSING changes FACTS. And WE will get our way at the expense of the TRUTH. -- Just ask John.

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I agree. Thus there have only been TWO Presidents of the United States of America: George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. Makes sense to me. You and I like to parse things that aren't as though they were, because WE have an agenda which History doesn't fulfill, but OUR PARSING changes FACTS. And WE will get our way at the expense of the TRUTH. -- Just ask John.

Thanks,
DaDad
It is not just the number of kings of the Roman Empire. It is 7 kings of one family. It is only 7 related kings of the Roman Empire. There have been many more, who were not Julio-Claudians. But the prophecy is only about one family of kings of the Roman Empire. Which, by the way, those kings have been the most prominent.

Just as there have been only two presidents of the United States of the Bush family. But we don't have any bible prophecies about the Bush's.

The prince who shall come is of the people who destroyed the city and temple. The fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire. In the end times the EU. 7th Julio Claudian, the little horn. 8th Julio Claudian, same person extended as the beast, the kingdom given to him by the ten kings, the EU final form.
 
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If your talking about the Beast in Revelation as regards to a Nation-State then only one modern country can fully meet all the criteria set forth in the book.
Yep, ANOTHER VIDEO. I guess if you make a VIDEO the IT'S TRUTH.

uhhhhhhh, no. In fact, this guy has NO IDEA as to ANY ASPECT of the Rev. 13, beast, -- he doesn't even know SCRIPTURE.

Perhaps if Bill Clinton had made a VIDEO, he could have gotten away with his assertion: It depends on what the meaning of "is" is. -- All he needed was a VIDEO!

Pssssssssh,
DaDad
 
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Yep, ANOTHER VIDEO. I guess if you make a VIDEO the IT'S TRUTH.

uhhhhhhh, no. In fact, this guy has NO IDEA as to ANY ASPECT of the Rev. 13, beast, -- he doesn't even know SCRIPTURE.

Perhaps if Bill Clinton had made a VIDEO, he could have gotten away with his assertion: It depends on what the meaning of "is" is. -- All he needed was a VIDEO!

Pssssssssh,
DaDad

Its important to be open to every level of interpretation on Revelation. In one sense the Roman Empire no longer exist but on another level its ideals its imagery its culture and national outlook still stands today.
 
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Its important to be open to every level of interpretation on Revelation.

No it's not.

In one sense the Roman Empire no longer exist but on another level its ideals its imagery its culture and national outlook still stands today.

Based on what Scripture?
 
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Its important to be open to every level of interpretation ...
"Open" or susceptible? Apparently Treasury Agents are not trained in all the counterfeiting variations. They're trained to know the precise details of the REAL THING, and can then identify what's NOT the REAL THING.

So too with Scripture, and the posted video is chock full of misinformation/disinformation.

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The Angel says the heads are 7 hillswhere the Woman sits. The word "Hills" makes the link or leap to Rome. The KJV and NIV translate the word as hills. Most others use mountains. If the translators were consistent we would be saying the "Hill of Olives" " Hill Zion". The word is used 64 times (Strong's 3735) , 62 times translated mount or mountain. Daniel in chapter 7 has 4 beast with a total of 7 heads with the final beast having 10 horns. They are 4 different kingdoms.



How then is all the heads on the 7 headed beast in REV 17 all Rome ?
Look at the big picture first that is already interpreted in Bible prophecy before trying to figure out the details.
It all starts in Daniel and is interpreted in Daniel as four empires then comes the age of promise. The empires are named: Babylon, Medo\ Persia, Greek and Roman. (Well Roman isn’t named but it conquers the Greek empire as per prophecy.
In Daniel 7 the ten horns and the eleventh of the ten are certainly called emperors of the 4th empire.
Here is the big picture. In Daniel 7 it gives you a time period concerning the 11th of ten specific emperors. A time, times and a half time which is 1260 days of years. In relation to the Roman Empire in Revelation that number is repeated five more times. 1260 days, three and a have years, 42 months etc etc.
A huge detail is also added in Revelation to Daniels prophecies about the Roman Empire. The lamb with two horns that spoke like a dragon. The Roman Empire split into an eastern and western branch. That is the two horns. It claimed Christianity. That’s the lamb. Spoke as a dragon. Still of the devil.
In 333 AD the capitol of the empire was moved to Constantinople. An emperor remained on the throne until 1453 AD when it was conquered by the Ottomens and the last emperoer killed.
So here is n easy test. Take 1260 years off 1453 AD and see if the emperor who came to power in 193 AD fulfilled Daniels 7 prophecy of that specific emperor.
 
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"Open" or susceptible? Apparently Treasury Agents are not trained in all the counterfeiting variations. They're trained to know the precise details of the REAL THING, and can then identify what's NOT the REAL THING.

So too with Scripture, and the posted video is chock full of misinformation/disinformation.

Thanks,
DaDad

Did I say that? Why are you twisting my words and misrepresenting me? I briefly mentioned the need to be open and not hold onto some version of Revelations biblical prophecy interpretation that fits into your worldview. I have read through Revelation more then any other book of the Bible and I had studied all possible variances. I do not hold fast to one certain and I understand that its particularly bad to link every contemporary event you see everyday to some biblical prophecy. That was what I was getting at. I am here bringing food for thought and thats all If you say you its all Lies I say prove it with scripture instead of clamoring that I am spreading lies.
 
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Look at the big picture first that is already interpreted in Bible prophecy before trying to figure out the details.
It all starts in Daniel and is interpreted in Daniel as four empires then comes the age of promise. The empires are named: Babylon, Medo\ Persia, Greek and Roman. (Well Roman isn’t named but it conquers the Greek empire as per prophecy.
In Daniel 7 the ten horns and the eleventh of the ten are certainly called emperors of the 4th empire.
Here is the big picture. In Daniel 7 it gives you a time period concerning the 11th of ten specific emperors. A time, times and a half time which is 1260 days of years. In relation to the Roman Empire in Revelation that number is repeated five more times. 1260 days, three and a have years, 42 months etc etc.
A huge detail is also added in Revelation to Daniels prophecies about the Roman Empire. The lamb with two horns that spoke like a dragon. The Roman Empire split into an eastern and western branch. That is the two horns. It claimed Christianity. That’s the lamb. Spoke as a dragon. Still of the devil.
In 333 AD the capitol of the empire was moved to Constantinople. An emperor remained on the throne until 1453 AD when it was conquered by the Ottomens and the last emperoer killed.
So here is n easy test. Take 1260 years off 1453 AD and see if the emperor who came to power in 193 AD fulfilled Daniels 7 prophecy of that specific emperor.

Your references are to the Byzantine Eastern Roman Empire. The Reformers believed (and experienced) that they referred to the apostate papacy arising out of the dissolution of the Western Roman Empire.
 
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It's all supposition, and fun to talk about as long everyone doesn't get obsessed, but, think about the woman. I would offer that it says she is the great city that rules over the kingdoms of the Earth, and that could mean she doesn't have to represent one specific place, but she can shift just like world powers do, just like the cities that rule over the world do. In Daniel, there's only five. But there's also a dream of four kingdoms and a man of intrigue. Since they all tell part of the story, it might be wise if you look at them together. But, remember, it's not a place of a person of God to get lost in myths or to promote arguments and drama rather than following God.
 
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... The empires are named: Babylon, Medo\ Persia, Greek and Roman.
... there's also a dream of four kingdoms and a man of intrigue.
Ummmmmm, 2:45 says FIVE World Empires, Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE. And you only listed FOUR.

Can you think of a FIFTH "Divided Kingdom" which might be comprised of two or more Superpowers, might exist approximate to the era of 1948, and for which the angel in 12:4 & 9 specifies as "end time"?

Thanks,
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... I have read through Revelation more then any other book of the Bible and I had studied all possible variances.
Hi Cement,
The video you posted has so many false doctrines, I couldn't begin to debunk them all. And hearing false doctrines is NOT a helpful resource.

But giving all credence to your proficiency, let me ask you a simple question:
What do the attributes represent for -- MOUTH of the Lion; BODY of the Leopard; and FEET of the Bear?

And if you prefer, a different question:
Why does Rev. 12 have SEVEN Diadems, but Rev. 13 has TEN Diadems?

Of course I could go on and on, but an answer for either one of these might help establish your credentials!

Thanks,
DaDad
 
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  1. Caesar
  2. Augustus
  3. Tiberias
  4. Caligula
  5. Claudius
  6. Nero
    1. great fire of Rome in July 64 AD fatally destroyed the city, a mortal blow to the empire, yet all wondered when Rome somehow rapidly returned renewed from its own ashes
  7. Galba
  8. Otho
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End of Julio-Claudian dynasty
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10 horns pick right up where the 7 heads + beast = 7+1 left off...

hence the horns "must" refer to the various pagan emperors after the Julio-Claudian dynasty, beginning with Vespasian + Titus and Domitian...

who continued to rule for the next 250 years...

they all did indeed revile Jerusalem = "Babylon" as rebelious, and raised Jerusalem in 70 AD and again during the bar Kochba rebellion in about 136 AD

there were about 10 or 11 more familial groups of pagan emperors, until the Christian Constantine came and conquered paganry = physical earthly "shadow" manifestation of Rev 19 spiritual imagery
 
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