Who’ll be tempted after the 1000 years?

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Those are not original churches. They were founded only recently. Neither the Eastern Churches, the Roman Church, the Oriental Churches, nor the Assyrian Churches teach Chiliasm.

If we can use the words of the Roman Church, "it is an unsafe doctrine to teach". Among the Orthodox Churches it is known as "the error of Chiliasm", and sometimes worse.

I would call it worse than unsafe but that's me.

At any rate, it's gaining popularity. I think they are estimating some 10-15 million Protestants believe in it in the U.S... and that number is growing.
 
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Revelation isn't real? Revelation 20 seems to speak heavily about this.

The interpretation of Rev 20 as a literal one thousand year reign of Christ on the earth has not been a teaching of Christianity since the fourth century.
 
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Reading revelations 20, and more specifically revelations 20:7-8.

Will believers/Christians be tempted AGAIN after the 1000 year millennial reign?
Who specifically will be tempted by satan after 1000 years? Will it be those who didn’t accept Jesus? Or believers/Christians will be tempted a second time?
Zechariah talks about Nations that do not attend the Feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem: "the rain will not fall on them".

Zechariah 14:16 All Nations will Worship the King
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, the rain will not fall on them.
 
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At the Second Coming, there will be the Sheep & Goats judgment. The Sheep (Christians) will enter the Millennium with the Lord. The Goats (the lost) will be destroyed. So at the beginning of the Millennium, there will be only saved people.

These saved people will have children, families. As always, these new souls will have to accept Christ to be saved. Many will, but many won't either. After 1000 years of population growth, there will be a whole lot of people alive who haven't accepted Christ. These are the ones that Satan will round up for the attack on Jerusalem.
 
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The interpretation of Rev 20 as a literal one thousand year reign of Christ on the earth has not been a teaching of Christianity since the fourth century.


Again, nothing you say here is actually true. The Millennium of Rev 20 has been taught since John first showed it to others. It was Amil that sprang up as a mis-interpretation of the passage.

http://www.ldolphin.org/premillhist.html

Virtually everyone who wrote on this topic for the first two to three hundred years of the church's history was a Millennialist. The list would include individuals like: Clement of Rome, who wrote a letter to an early church around AD 95; (13) Ignatius of Antioch, who is said to have been a disciple of the Apostles John and Peter. Early church tradition tells us that he was thrown to lions in AD 107); 14) Theophilus of Antioch (AD 115-181), who wrote one of the first accounts of primitive church history; (15) Tatian of Assyria, who died in AD 167; Melito, Bishop of Sardis, who died in AD 170; Clemens Alexandrinus, who was a contemporary of Justin Martyr; Hippolytus, a disciple of Irenaeus was martyred in AD 230 for his faith. Victorinus, Bishop of Pettau who died in AD 303; Methodius, Bishop of Tyre died in AD 311; an Egyptian bishop named Nepos of the third century; Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage was martyred in AD 258; and Commodians, a Christian historian, who wrote about AD 250. (16) Others could be added to the list.


"BUT WE DO CONFESS THAT A KINGDOM IS PROMISED TO US ON EARTH, ALTHOUGH BEFORE HEAVEN, ONLY IN ANOTHER STATE OF EXISTENCE..."

-- Tertullian (c. 155-230)


CONCLUSION


It is generally recognized within the scholarly world of early church historians that premillennialism was the most widely held view of the earliest church tradition. One of the leading experts on the doctrine of the early church is J. N. D. Kelly, who says, "millenarianism, or the theory that the returned Christ would reign on earth for a thousand years came to find increasing support among Christian teachers...This millenarian, or 'chiliastic' doctrine was widely popular at this time." (17) "The great theologians who followed the Apologists, lrenaeus, Tertullian and Hippolytus, were primarily concerned to defend the traditional eschatological scheme against Gnosticism," explains Kelly. "They are all exponents of millenarianism." (18)
 
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At the Second Coming, there will be the Sheep & Goats judgment. The Sheep (Christians) will enter the Millennium with the Lord. The Goats (the lost) will be destroyed. So at the beginning of the Millennium, there will be only saved people.

That's not what the end of Rev 2 says.



These saved people will have children, families. As always, these new souls will have to accept Christ to be saved.

Christ said there was no marriages (which means no childbirth) after the resurrection so you are incorrect about the saved having children.
 
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Reading revelations 20, and more specifically revelations 20:7-8.

Will believers/Christians be tempted AGAIN after the 1000 year millennial reign?
Who specifically will be tempted by satan after 1000 years? Will it be those who didn’t accept Jesus? Or believers/Christians will be tempted a second time?
“Now this is what I am saying, brothers and sisters: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

This means only saints in glorified bodies would inhabit an earthly millennium if there were one. And this would leave Satan using many of them to attack the rest when loosed when the 1000 years end.

The solution is that there is no physical millennium ever to be. But all of Revelation 20 is taking place now in the spiritual realm. and when Satan is loosed, (I believe this is presently happening), massive deception will attack the truth held by the church on a world wide basis.
 
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Rev 20 seems pretty clear to me. Satan is bound for 1000y..someone is going to be running around with Christ for some time. SOME need to search more.. this has been talked about since John wrote it.

People will have kids and those kids as someone said will receive Christ or not. "Marriages" "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." This 1000y is on earth. Whats the "resurrection" mean then? :) No where does Rev 20 even hint at resurrection.

See its like this FOR ME <---ME.. say Churchis gone. Trib is over. Christ sets foot on the earth He then gathers the nations "sheep/goats". After thats over at some point Satan is locked up then they would be with Christ 1000y+.

So "ItalianStallion" no.. after this life you go right to the Father as it is written. What your asking about is people that are still here on the earth. No new bodies. Its almost like what Israel has been waiting for. Well they asked Christ before He rose.. are you now going to rule with a iron rod?

When we have to speculate ..its not wise.. its ok but that is NOT the word. Take it as its written and pray and ask the sweet sweet Holy Spirit to tell you. He is REAL.. He talks.. just like He did in the NT "holy Spirit said" "As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said," Acts..

Christ is IN YOU.. AWESOME praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS! Its what HE says that matters. And He will back it up with whats written. so you KNOW its Him. Always TEST the spirits.. we are washed by the BLOOD of the lamb.. only HE can say that...no other spirit can
 
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That's not what the end of Rev 2 says.
I am quite familiar with Rev. Can you tell me what specifically in the end of Rev 2 says that makes you disagree with my summary.




Christ said there was no marriages (which means no childbirth) after the resurrection so you are incorrect about the saved having children.
He said there were no marriages *in heaven*. This topic is talking about the Millennium (which is not the same thing).
 
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I am quite familiar with Rev. Can you tell me what specifically in the end of Rev 2 says that makes you disagree with my summary.

It says the nations will be ruled over by the overcomers which means there are people alive in the Millennium who are not saved.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.





He said there were no marriages *in heaven*. This topic is talking about the Millennium (which is not the same thing).

He didn't say no marriages *in heaven*

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Those resurrected will reign with Christ on the Earth and will not marry which means no childbirth for immortals.

Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
 
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I understand and can see different points of views...kinda lol. Unless this happens SOON.. I wont be here for it. TIME.. I wonder really do if our Father knows how to tell time. 1 day is like 1000y. So Christ "coming soon". That was over 2000y ago..or just over 2 days now.

Point is.. Satan locked up..then loosed for a short time.. SHORT TIME? Christ was COMING SOON! How long will that short time be? Lol...just want PEOPLE SAVE HELLO! But.. also want it to be over.

I think people got millennium (not searched much on this) from Satan being bound 1000Y?
 
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So "ItalianStallion" no.. after this life you go right to the Father as it is written. What your asking about is people that are still here on the earth. No new bodies. Its almost like what Israel has been waiting for. Well they asked Christ before He rose.. are you now going to rule with a iron rod?

So believers in Christ, after we die in our earthly bodies, are in the Book of Life and immune from satan's second temptation?
 
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It says the nations will be ruled over by the overcomers which means there are people alive in the Millennium who are not saved.
Isn't that what I said?

He didn't say no marriages *in heaven*

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Those resurrected will reign with Christ on the Earth and will not marry which means no childbirth for immortals.

Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
I'm not going to start a study on this topic. Suffice to say that it does not mean there will not be children born during the Millennium.
 
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Isn't that what I said?

No. You say only saved people will be there but Rev 2 says saved people will reign over the nations and those nations are the unsaved.


I'm not going to start a study on this topic. Suffice to say that it does not mean there will not be children born during the Millennium.


There will be no children born to anyone who is immortal. It doesn't comment on if the unsaved have children of not.
 
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Reading revelations 20, and more specifically revelations 20:7-8.

Will believers/Christians be tempted AGAIN after the 1000 year millennial reign?
Who specifically will be tempted by satan after 1000 years? Will it be those who didn’t accept Jesus? Or believers/Christians will be tempted a second time?
I believe we will always have random thoughts that could tempt us, if we don't learn to resist temptation.
 
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Reading revelations 20, and more specifically revelations 20:7-8.

Will believers/Christians be tempted AGAIN after the 1000 year millennial reign?
Who specifically will be tempted by satan after 1000 years? Will it be those who didn’t accept Jesus? Or believers/Christians will be tempted a second time?
As I understand it, during the millennial reign of Christ, the Church will already be transformed into perfection that can never sin again. However, there will be multitudes of ordinary people who will survive the battle of Armageddon, who, because Jesus will rule with a rod of iron, will not sin, and will live for centuries in perfect peace. Israel will offer temple sacrifices for the nations (not the Church) in Ezekiel's temple to teach the people the meaning of sin. Nonetheless, Satan must be released because even in that perfect environment many will prefer sin over righteousness. They will join Satan then face the White Throne judgment. However, I believe, there will also be many who reject Satan because they understood the Temple teaching as types of Christ and will be added to the body of Christ, too. However, I have no Scriptural proof. This is just my gut feeling.
 
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I already did.

Now if we can, which of the original Churches teach the idea of a future millennium?


There is no "original church" except Christianity itself. Any church teaching that the Millennium is not future is teaching falsely. Look around, Satan is deceiving the nations right now so we know this isn't the Millennium and that's one thing out of many that proves the Mil is not now.
 
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