The beast - the EU

shilohsfoal · Sep 13, 2018

Douggg said:
Do you mean the word "armaggedon" in Ezekiel 39?

Yes the name Armageddon.
The name "Gog"is in both the books ezekiel and revelation.
Ive found the name "armageddon" in revelation but not in Ezekiel.You keep saying its there but i dont see it.

shilohsfoal · Sep 13, 2018

Douggg said:
The little horn being stouter than his fellows does not make the other ten "little horns". Stouter probably means more powerful, assertive, and determined.

The little horn will be the 7th Julio-Claudian king of the Roman Empire, the fourth empire. The person will be on two tracks. One is becoming the King of the Roman Empire. The other is becoming the King of Israel (illegitimate).

King of Israel (illegitimate) - the Antichrist
King of the Roman Empire - the little horn (7th king), then later as the beast (8th king)

In Daniel 7:20, the ten horns are ten kings (leaders) in the EU, the end times Roman Empire. The little horn the leader of them.

The EU has some parts of it strong, other parts weak.

Actually,Benjamin Netanyahu ,Is the king of israel(illegitimate) .
PM of te little country Israel who is stouter than his fellows .He is also diverse from his fellows.

DaDad · Sep 13, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Actually,Benjamin Netanyahu ,Is the king of israel(illegitimate) .
PM of te little country Israel who is stouter than his fellows .He is also diverse from his fellows.

What a load. -- Why do so many people on this Form hate and slander the Jews?

We'll all be held accountable for our words, -- and I wouldn't want to stand before GOD and answer for all the garbage that's thrown at GOD's Chosen. -- Not ME!

DaDad

shilohsfoal · Sep 13, 2018

DaDad said:
What a load. -- Why do so many people on this Form hate and slander the Jews?

We'll all be held accountable for our words, -- and I wouldn't want to stand before GOD and answer for all the garbage that's thrown at GOD's Chosen. -- Not ME!

DaDad

Many who worship the beast accuse thosr who do not.

DaDad · Sep 13, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Actually,Benjamin Netanyahu ,Is the king of israel (illegitimate) .
PM of te little country Israel who is stouter than his fellows .He is also diverse from his fellows.

shilohsfoal said:
Many who worship the beast accuse those who do not.

puahahahahahahahah,
That's the funniest thing I seen out of all the nonsense posted on this Forum.

DaDad

tranquil · Sep 14, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Actually,Benjamin Netanyahu ,Is the king of israel(illegitimate) .
PM of te little country Israel who is stouter than his fellows .He is also diverse from his fellows.

You spurred some research on my part. I agree that the 10 tribes + 2 tribes idea is there for a reason. (Although I would say that it is going to refer to all of the following: nation state Israel, EU with 10 divisions, the US (10 FEMA states), and the UN 10.]

When we look at the 2 sticks prophecy of Ezekiel 37, we get the 1 stick of Judah & 1 stick of Joseph / Ephraim getting joined. (Judah + Benjamin) and (Ephraim + remainder getting joined)

In modern terms, this would be the Jewish notions of 'messiah ben David' (1st stick) & 'messiah ben Joseph' (2nd stick)
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101747/jewish/Appendix-II.htm

The term Mashiach unqualified always refers to Mashiach ben David (Mashiach the descendant of David) of the tribe of Judah. He is the actual (final) redeemer who shall rule in the Messianic age. All that was said in our text relates to him.

Mashiach ben Yossef (Mashiach the descendant of Joseph) of the tribe of Ephraim (son of Joseph), is also referred to as Mashiach ben Ephrayim, Mashiach the descendant of Ephraim.2 He will come first, before the final redeemer, and later will serve as his viceroy.3

The essential task of Mashiach ben Yossef is to act as precursor to Mashiach ben David: he will prepare the world for the coming of the final redeemer. Different sources attribute to him different functions, some even charging him with tasks traditionally associated with Mashiach ben David (such as the ingathering of the exiles, the rebuilding of the Bet Hamikdash, and so forth).4

The principal and final function ascribed to Mashiach ben Yossef is of political and military nature. He shall wage war against the forces of evil that oppress Israel. More specifically, he will do battle against Edom, the descendants of Esau.Obadiah 1:18): "the progeny of Esau shall be delivered only into the hands of the progeny of Joseph."7

This ultimate confrontation between Joseph and Esau is alluded already in the very birth of Joseph when his mother Rachel exclaimed, "G‑d has taken away my disgrace" (Genesis 30:23): with prophetic vision she foresaw that an "anointed savior" will descend from Joseph and that he will remove the disgrace of Israel.8 In this context she called his name "Yossef, saying 'yossef Hashem - may G‑d add to me ben acher (lit., another son), i.e., ben acharono shel olam - one who will be at the end of the world's time,'9 from which it follows that 'meshu'ach milchamah - one anointed for battle' will descend from Joseph."10

The immediate results of this warZechariah 12:10).12 His death will be followed by a period of great calamities. These new tribulations shall be the final test for Israel, and shortly thereafter Mashiach ben David shall come, avenge his death, resurrect him, and inaugurate the Messianic era of everlasting peace and bliss.

David is of the tribe of Judah, to mirror the False Prophet's 2 horns (David ruling Judah & Benjamin). The horns become kings when they receive their messianic land apportionment in Ezekiel 48 and with Ezekiel's temple.

When we look at the tribes listed in Ezekiel 48 versus the tribes listed in Revelation 7, we get:

Ezekiel 48 with 13 tribes:

Dan, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Ephraim, Rueben, Judah, Levi, Benjamin, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun, Gad

in Revelation 7, we get 12 tribes

Judah, Rueben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin

Dan and Ephraim are not present in the Revelation 7 12 tribes, with Joseph replacing Ephraim. Since Joseph is the father of Ephraim, Revelation is just pointing out that Ephraim is cut off, so they have to go back in lineage to find the 12, 000 faithful.

Put another way, Dan & Ephraim will be joined to idols and will be cut off (Dan is a 'serpent' Genesis 49:17 & Ephraim is joined to idols Hosea 4:17). At the 6th Seal through the onset of the first 4 Trumpet judgments, the 12,000 faithful of each tribe will 'come out of Babylon, my people' (Revelation 18:4) and form the 144,000. All of the unfaithful of all the tribes, the non-12,000 that comprise DNA Israel of the 12 tribes will go into the great tribulation because they accept the mark of the beast which they think is the seal of God. All of Dan & Ephraim are unfaithful, with not even 12,000 to save.

For the faithful 144,000, this is the fulfillment of the 2 sticks, with Jesus as their head.

Going back to messiah ben David & Joseph, it is pretty clear they look like false prophets in some capacity.

Douggg · Sep 14, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Yes the name Armageddon.
The name "Gog"is in both the books ezekiel and revelation.
Ive found the name "armageddon" in revelation but not in Ezekiel.You keep saying its there but i dont see it.

I am not saying the "name" Armageddon is in Ezekiel 39. I am saying the feast on the dead are them who Jesus destroys, who had gathered at Armageddon to make war on Him, is in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

Look and compare these verses, shilohsfoal... it is the same feast.

Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

Now compare with....

Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Back in Ezekiel 39, Jesus is the One speaking in Ezekiel 39:21 to the end of the Chapter.

shilohsfoal · Sep 14, 2018

Douggg said:
I am not saying the "name" Armageddon is in Ezekiel 39. I am saying the feast on the dead are them who Jesus destroys, who had gathered at Armageddon to make war on Him, is in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

Look and compare these verses, shilohsfoal... it is the same feast.

Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

Now compare with....

Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Back in Ezekiel 39, Jesus is the One speaking in Ezekiel 39:21 to the end of the Chapter.

Now you are quoting revelation 19 when the beast and the false prophet are cast ito the lake of fire,correct?

https://biblehub.com/revelation/19-20.htm

Douggg · Sep 14, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Now you are quoting revelation 19 when the beast and the false prophet are cast ito the lake of fire,correct?

https://biblehub.com/revelation/19-20.htm

At that time, yes, that is when Ezekiel 39:17-20 will take place.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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Ezekiel 39 could have been divided into two chapters actually. Verses 1-16, one chapter. And Verses 17-29 another chapter.

Verse 1-16 is about Gog/Magog, right before the 7 years.

Then the 7 years.

Then verse 17-20, the feast on the dead at the end of the 7 years, at Jesus's return. Verses 17-29 is about Jesus having returned to earth.

keras · Sep 14, 2018

DaDad said:
Why do so many people on this Form hate and slander the Jews?

Because my Savior, Jesus does. John 8:39-43, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 21:43, Matthew 27:25, Revelation 2:9, +
Thinking that the ethnic Jewish people are still God's chosen people, is against the Bible teaching, as well as the plain facts of their apostasy, false religion, LGBT agenda and flat out rejection of Jesus for the last 2000 years.

DaDad, it is false teaching to believe in a general redemption of the Jewish people. The Bible is clear: only a remnant of Judah will be saved. Romans 9:27
This truth also blows the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, theory totally away.

DaDad · Sep 15, 2018

keras said:
Because my Savior, Jesus does.

Luke 13:31 At that very hour some Pharisees came, and said to him, “Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you.” 32 And he said to them, “Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course. 33 Nevertheless I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following; for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’ 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 35 Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

IF GOD hasn't given up on the Jews, then why do you, and so many others?

Thanks,
DaDad

Douggg · Sep 15, 2018

DaDad said:
IF GOD hasn't given up on the Jews, then why do you, and so many others?

Thanks,
DaDad

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Douggg · Sep 15, 2018

keras said:
Thinking that the ethnic Jewish people are still God's chosen people

Being God's chosen people - is not the same as being saved. Chosen in what manner? That the world will know the One True God - by the prophecies in the bible regarding the Jews.

shilohsfoal · Sep 15, 2018

Douggg said:
At that time, yes, that is when Ezekiel 39:17-20 will take place.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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Ezekiel 39 could have been divided into two chapters actually. Verses 1-16, one chapter. And Verses 17-29 another chapter.

Verse 1-16 is about Gog/Magog, right before the 7 years.

Then the 7 years.

Then verse 17-20, the feast on the dead at the end of the 7 years, at Jesus's return. Verses 17-29 is about Jesus having returned to earth.

So,do you believe the Gog invasion of ezekiel 38 is the same invasion of 39?

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm

Douggg · Sep 15, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
So,do you believe the Gog invasion of ezekiel 38 is the same invasion of 39?

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm

Yes.

shilohsfoal · Sep 15, 2018

Douggg said:
Yes.

Since you believe Gog invades Israel before the last war in revelation 20 where it says Gog invades israel at that time,what do you believe is the name of the war in ezekiel 38:8 which hurts the earth that the ground itself must recover before Gog invades israel?

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm

Douggg · Sep 15, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Since you believe Gog invades Israel before the last war in revelation 20 where it says Gog invades israel at that time,what do you believe is the name of the war in ezekiel 38:8 which hurts the earth that the ground itself must recover before Gog invades israel?

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm

I think that Ezekiel 38:8 is referring to that Israel for 2000 years was made a desolate land, until the Jews returned following becoming a nation again in 1948. Israel is completely different in 2018 than 1948.

I think the Jews love growing things. And that is a good thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Israel

shilohsfoal · Sep 15, 2018

Douggg said:
I think that Ezekiel 38:8 is referring to that Israel for 2000 years was made a desolate land, until the Jews returned following becoming a nation again in 1948. Israel is completely different in 2018 than 1948.

I think the Jews love growing things. And that is a good thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Israel

So what do you believe is the name of the war in ezekiel 38:8 ,which the earth recorvers fro before Gog invades israel?
https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm

Whats the name of the war?

Douggg · Sep 15, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
So what do you believe is the name of the war in ezekiel 38:8 ,which the earth recorvers fro before Gog invades israel?
https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm

Whats the name of the war?

Gog/Magog war. It will take place 7 years before Jesus returns. Gog's army is buried in Ezekiel 39.

shilohsfoal · Sep 15, 2018

Douggg said:
Gog/Magog war. It will take place 7 years before Jesus returns. Gog's army is buried in Ezekiel 39.

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm

This verse says there is a war before Gog ivades israel and that the land heals from that war before Gog invades israel.
What is the name of the war BEFORE Gog invades israel?

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