Should I talk to this individual? Luke 6:27-36

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Hey guys,

I'm dealing with someone who is extremely arrogant, stubborn, hypocritical and narcissistic and it's driving me up the wall to say the least. For those of you who have read my previous thread, I've mentioned dealing with this individual before, but this time I'd love to know what everyone thinks of this situation, how you'd deal with it, and what the Bible has to say about such people...

Long story short, this individual will never acknowledge his wrongdoing no matter what sort of evidence you throw at him. He will twist the facts, blame you or someone else for his mistake, and sometimes even try to talk over you just so you don't get the chance to alert him of his wrongdoing. He truly believes he shouldn't be sorry for anything.


For example, he has this habit of slamming doors wherever he goes, and about 3 weeks ago, I politely asked him to not slam the doors at night because it wakes people up, and instead of apologising for it, he immediately asked "Why are you complaining to me?" and then proceeded to boldly lie to my face that it was not him, even though he is always the first person to wake up and we've all seen him do it. This quickly escalated, in which he brought up previous issues that were not only irrelevant to the topic at hand, but they were issues that he had personally caused as well, and instead of apologising for those too, he blamed everyone else for them just as he tried to do during this one. He quickly bolted out of the house as the confrontation became heated because he didn't want to be told that he was wrong and have someone burst his egotistical bubble.

He hasn't spoken to me since then, and although that doesn't bother me because it saves me the headache, I'm getting sick and tired of his behaviour ruining everyone else's mood in this house, both family and guests.

You can't tell him he broke something, you can't tell him when he's being unhygienic around food, you can't tell him that he missed bills, you can't joke around him (but he apparently can and has no problem with it) he will force himself into conversations and personal moments when not needed, and if politely asked to leave, he will get offended, he can't go on for 5 minutes without attention, gets offended by the most minuscule issues and statements, and says he hates gossip, yet he gossips all the time. The list goes on and on and on. If you bring any of these issues up to him, he will get all defensive and will verbally attack you for claiming that he was *gasp* wrong for a moment. I mean, God forbid...

Someone recently asked me to start talking to him again because it's gone on for too long, and although I don't hold grudges and will quickly forgive someone if they apologise, I just don't want to be the first person to strike the conversation with him because I know for a fact that he will assume that he behaviour was acceptable, he will, in his ego and pride, think that whatever he did was okay and should feel no guilt for what he did because I approached him first. But then I am reminded of this verse - Luke 6:27-36


I've honestly had enough of his behaviour and I'm about ready to pack his bags and leave it at the front door because this is beyond disgusting. He has bothered both family and guests with his attitudes for a while now, and only a select few are willing to speak up, the rest remain quiet because they don't want to be involved with this inconsiderate and childish individual. Seeing as how he is, they know nothing will get through to him.

But, what do YOU think? Should I strike the conversation first and see what happens? Or should I remain quiet? I've prayed about this every night for 3 weeks, and although he stopped slamming the doors, nothing else about him as changed. He remains as arrogant and stubborn as ever, and if things continue as they are, I will have no hesitation in kicking him out. No one deserves this mental and verbal abuse from him because we're all trying to focus on our faith and daily life and don't have the time for extra drama.

Worst part of all, He claims to be a Christian... :scratch:

Please keep in mind similar disputes have happened before, and I doubt we'll see the last of them.

What would Jesus do in this situation? Please pray for my sanity, and help me with any info you could provide.

Much appreciated. :prayer:
 
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Sounds like you know what to do.
Matthew 18:15-20 isn't it?
Go to him first in private about his behaviour, if he refuses to listen get a few of the others together with you and approach him again about your concerns trying to make him listen...
If he still refuses then bag at the door buddy.
 
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But, what do YOU think? Should I strike the conversation first and see what happens? Or should I remain quiet? I've prayed about this every night for 3 weeks, and although he stopped slamming the doors, nothing else about him as changed.


:prayer:

"Thanks so much for quietly closing the doors, I really appreciate it". May be have a few other people also acknowledge his efforts.
 
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One of the greatest frustrations we face is when we try to change other people. At some point, we have to acknowledge that we cannot do that...and accept what is. You are not going to change this person. What you can change is how you respond to him. You can allow yourself to get upset and frustrated, or you can just shake your head and realize that there he goes again. If you cannot tolerate him, then I suggest you find another place to live. But trying to change him will continue to feel like you are banging your head against a wall, because you are.

I agree that positive reinforcement is a good way to go, but he will continue being himself. Pray for him, as he sounds really insecure.
 
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One of the greatest frustrations we face is when we try to change other people. At some point, we have to acknowledge that we cannot do that...and accept what is. You are not going to change this person. What you can change is how you respond to him. You can allow yourself to get upset and frustrated, or you can just shake your head and realize that there he goes again. If you cannot tolerate him, then I suggest you find another place to live. But trying to change him will continue to feel like you are banging your head against a wall, because you are.

I agree that positive reinforcement is a good way to go, but he will continue being himself. Pray for him, as he sounds really insecure.


^^ THIS ^^

And this coming from someone (me) who would generally be inclined to fight.
 
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Sounds like he is effecting more than you, his presence is effecting everyone in the house. How long has it been going on?

I'm sure you will find better opportunities to love him when he is staying somewhere else.

Do yourself and your whole house a favor and give him a moveout notice. I had a similar situation, I ended the arrangement, gave good notice and didn't charge rent the last month after putting up things for a year.

It was a hardship on the person to move out and they weren't happy about it. It was pretty tense during the notice period. But they got through, they are out on their own, and both myself and my remaining housemate are VERY much happier. I feel like I have my life and control over my house back.
 
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I actually have a similar situation so I can relate . The person is a family member and basically will not accept responsibility for anything. The person is old enough to be out but has no job and is in school so it's a tough situation for everyone involved.

I would like to ask is it a close family member ?or someone not in family ? That really matters in my thinking. If it's not a family member then you have no obligation to hold the person in your home . Scripture definitely isn't making the case for why you should bring unruly people into your home and keep them there. If the person is just creating strife and refuses to at least address the problem then I think kicking them out is a suitable option .

However, if it is a family member then scripture makes clear that we are to care for our families. The verse about denying the faith of you dont care for your family comes to my mind.

As far as the Luke reference goes . To apply that verse as if it means you have to forbear with an annoying person is fair. We all have to forbear other people's sin. People have to forbear and love me inspite of my sin.Forbearing doesnt mean not removing a source of strife in your home . You have for a short time forbeared. However you have to keep the whole family in mind. Do what you think is best for your family. I would strongly encourage you to remove any one who causes unnecessary strife and is unwilling to change.
 
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Thank you all for the responses you've provided.

Sounds like you know what to do.
Matthew 18:15-20 isn't it?
Go to him first in private about his behaviour, if he refuses to listen get a few of the others together with you and approach him again about your concerns trying to make him listen...
If he still refuses then bag at the door buddy.
I've actually been thinking of getting everyone involved into a group, and confronting him straight on because I realise now that confrontation alone does not help as he'll always try to weasel his way out of responsibilities and wrongdoings if it's a one on one conversation.

Thank you for the response!

"Thanks so much for quietly closing the doors, I really appreciate it". May be have a few other people also acknowledge his efforts.
Would you thank someone for washing their hands after using the bathroom? No? Then neither should I because NOT slamming a door is common sense and decency and hardly an effort on his part.


One of the greatest frustrations we face is when we try to change other people. At some point, we have to acknowledge that we cannot do that...and accept what is. You are not going to change this person. What you can change is how you respond to him. You can allow yourself to get upset and frustrated, or you can just shake your head and realize that there he goes again. If you cannot tolerate him, then I suggest you find another place to live. But trying to change him will continue to feel like you are banging your head against a wall, because you are.

I agree that positive reinforcement is a good way to go, but he will continue being himself. Pray for him, as he sounds really insecure.

Although I agree with your statement, I don't think it's healthy to actually let this go on forever because everyone's affected by it. I shouldn't have to sit here and tolerate his verbal and mental abuse just because he can't change. He'll always perform some crazy mental gymnastics just to blame you for everything, and I can't tolerate that anymore. I also can't leave because of personal reasons.

I just wanted to know if what I was doing, and planning on doing, was acceptable by Bible standards. Sometimes, I get so bothered by his attitude, that I go on for hours thinking about it rather than focusing on Jesus, like I should be.

Thank you!

Sounds like he is effecting more than you, his presence is effecting everyone in the house. How long has it been going on?

I'm sure you will find better opportunities to love him when he is staying somewhere else.

Do yourself and your whole house a favor and give him a moveout notice. I had a similar situation, I ended the arrangement, gave good notice and didn't charge rent the last month after putting up things for a year.

It was a hardship on the person to move out and they weren't happy about it. It was pretty tense during the notice period. But they got through, they are out on their own, and both myself and my remaining housemate are VERY much happier. I feel like I have my life and control over my house back.

It's been going on for a few months now, and kicking him out won't be easy because of his relationship to one of my family members, and his eviction will affect them and that's what's bothering me the most at the moment. I don't wanna be the only person responsible for his eviction because I don't want to hurt another family member with my decision. It's a hard choice, honestly.

I actually have a similar situation so I can relate . The person is a family member and basically will not accept responsibility for anything. The person is old enough to be out but has no job and is in school so it's a tough situation for everyone involved.

I would like to ask is it a close family member ?or someone not in family ? That really matters in my thinking. If it's not a family member then you have no obligation to hold the person in your home . Scripture definitely isn't making the case for why you should bring unruly people into your home and keep them there. If the person is just creating strife and refuses to at least address the problem then I think kicking them out is a suitable option .

However, if it is a family member then scripture makes clear that we are to care for our families. The verse about denying the faith of you dont care for your family comes to my mind.

As far as the Luke reference goes . To apply that verse as if it means you have to forbear with an annoying person is fair. We all have to forbear other people's sin. People have to forbear and love me inspite of my sin.Forbearing doesnt mean not removing a source of strife in your home . You have for a short time forbeared. However you have to keep the whole family in mind. Do what you think is best for your family. I would strongly encourage you to remove any one who causes unnecessary strife and is unwilling to change.

Thank you for this response.

He's not a direct family member, just connected through a relationship to another person within the family.

As I said in a reply to someone else, I am currently thinking of grouping up with everyone involved and addressing this issue promptly, because I can't tolerate this on-going child-like behaviour anymore. If he continues down this path, then I will ensure he is removed immediately.

I just hope and pray that my decisions are within the standards of the Bible, and that I'm not acting too quickly or making poor choices, because honestly, I sometimes feel like I'm missing out on a part of my faith because of him. I feel like I'm missing out on a blessing of some sort because I am constantly thinking about this situation.

Thank you for the response.
 
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Hey guys,

I'm dealing with someone who is extremely arrogant, stubborn, hypocritical and narcissistic and it's driving me up the wall to say the least. For those of you who have read my previous thread, I've mentioned dealing with this individual before, but this time I'd love to know what everyone thinks of this situation, how you'd deal with it, and what the Bible has to say about such people...

Long story short, this individual will never acknowledge his wrongdoing no matter what sort of evidence you throw at him. He will twist the facts, blame you or someone else for his mistake, and sometimes even try to talk over you just so you don't get the chance to alert him of his wrongdoing. He truly believes he shouldn't be sorry for anything.


For example, he has this habit of slamming doors wherever he goes, and about 3 weeks ago, I politely asked him to not slam the doors at night because it wakes people up, and instead of apologising for it, he immediately asked "Why are you complaining to me?" and then proceeded to boldly lie to my face that it was not him, even though he is always the first person to wake up and we've all seen him do it. This quickly escalated, in which he brought up previous issues that were not only irrelevant to the topic at hand, but they were issues that he had personally caused as well, and instead of apologising for those too, he blamed everyone else for them just as he tried to do during this one. He quickly bolted out of the house as the confrontation became heated because he didn't want to be told that he was wrong and have someone burst his egotistical bubble.

He hasn't spoken to me since then, and although that doesn't bother me because it saves me the headache, I'm getting sick and tired of his behaviour ruining everyone else's mood in this house, both family and guests.

You can't tell him he broke something, you can't tell him when he's being unhygienic around food, you can't tell him that he missed bills, you can't joke around him (but he apparently can and has no problem with it) he will force himself into conversations and personal moments when not needed, and if politely asked to leave, he will get offended, he can't go on for 5 minutes without attention, gets offended by the most minuscule issues and statements, and says he hates gossip, yet he gossips all the time. The list goes on and on and on. If you bring any of these issues up to him, he will get all defensive and will verbally attack you for claiming that he was *gasp* wrong for a moment. I mean, God forbid...

Someone recently asked me to start talking to him again because it's gone on for too long, and although I don't hold grudges and will quickly forgive someone if they apologise, I just don't want to be the first person to strike the conversation with him because I know for a fact that he will assume that he behaviour was acceptable, he will, in his ego and pride, think that whatever he did was okay and should feel no guilt for what he did because I approached him first. But then I am reminded of this verse - Luke 6:27-36


I've honestly had enough of his behaviour and I'm about ready to pack his bags and leave it at the front door because this is beyond disgusting. He has bothered both family and guests with his attitudes for a while now, and only a select few are willing to speak up, the rest remain quiet because they don't want to be involved with this inconsiderate and childish individual. Seeing as how he is, they know nothing will get through to him.

But, what do YOU think? Should I strike the conversation first and see what happens? Or should I remain quiet? I've prayed about this every night for 3 weeks, and although he stopped slamming the doors, nothing else about him as changed. He remains as arrogant and stubborn as ever, and if things continue as they are, I will have no hesitation in kicking him out. No one deserves this mental and verbal abuse from him because we're all trying to focus on our faith and daily life and don't have the time for extra drama.

Worst part of all, He claims to be a Christian... :scratch:

Please keep in mind similar disputes have happened before, and I doubt we'll see the last of them.

What would Jesus do in this situation? Please pray for my sanity, and help me with any info you could provide.

Much appreciated. :prayer:

Some of his behaviours sound like they are for the purpose of attention seeking. It could be that he has trouble connecting with other people. He may want friendships, and the like, but be a little immature at this point, and does not know how to connect. I know that you are not wanting connection, but really that is probably what he is after. I have a son, and he is a little bit annoying at times, due to his disobedience, yet my love for my son causes me to overlook the disobedience. I know this guy is not your son, but he is God's son, try like a father or a mother would overlook his faults so you can show him God's love.
 
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WOW....you completely missed my point. I know you're frustrated, but don't off on me because of it.
At this point, you see nothing but the negative so just be done with him and kick him out.:sigh:

What? I wasn't going off on you and I understood what you were saying. I think you're the one who missed my point.

But for the sake of discussion, let's assume you were saying that I should thank him for effortless actions, such as not slamming doors, washing hands and picking up after himself. Why should I thank him for that? That's pretty common sense and decency I would say and does not need positive reinforcement because he isn't a child. He needs to learn responsibility and not be pampered for every little action..

But if you were referring to other responsibilities such as shopping, bills, and doing house chores, then that would've been completely different, and yet he rarely does any of that either. Like I said, we're not raising a child, and I doubt any sort of acknowledgement would change him at this point.
 
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Some of his behaviours sound like they are for the purpose of attention seeking. It could be that he has trouble connecting with other people. He may want friendships, and the like, but be a little immature at this point, and does not know how to connect. I know that you are not wanting connection, but really that is probably what he is after. I have a son, and he is a little bit annoying at times, due to his disobedience, yet my love for my son causes me to overlook the disobedience. I know this guy is not your son, but he is God's son, try like a father or a mother would overlook his faults so you can show him God's love.

Thoughtful response, thank you.

You're spot on in regards to him and his weird attention seeking methods. Almost everyone who knows him says the same thing, and it's honestly rather annoying than anything. He's older than me by the way, and not related to me.
 
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