Do you want Trump to be able to finish his term in office? POLL

EastCoastRemnant said:

Don't be fooled with the Kabuki theater being played out in Syria right now...

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Oh please.. these are lives, not spectacle. If this is all you can manage don't reply to me.

EastCoastRemnant said:

I keep hearing how the current economic prosperity is because of what Obama did... what was his MO for accomplishing the reversal of the recession? It was spending without limit through the stimulus programs. Where do you suppose It was spending without limit through the stimulus programs.

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The stimulus was not spending without limit, it was roughly 831 billion. I can't say what the alternative would have looked like without the stimulus. But the economy definitely would have crashed faster and harder without it. Let's remember that the economy lost 3.5 million jobs in the last six months of the Bush presidency. And during the recession, nearly 4 million homes were foreclosed upon each year and 2 .5 million businesses were shutdown. Obama's first month in office saw almost 800,000 jobs lost.

You do realize, the national debt DOUBLED during Obama's tenure, right?

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Yes I am aware of that. I am also aware that the rise in deficit spending began under Bush and also that the recession began before Obama even took office. I am also aware that it's estimated that the recession costed roughly 1/6 of lost revenue every year for six years. That's roughly 3 trillion dollars. I am also aware that Obama had to begin paying for two wars that will eventually cost anywhere between 4 trillion to six trillion dollars.
https://philebersole.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/recession-deficit-cause.png

Let's contrast that with what Trump has done since taking office... he implemented regulation cutting that has never before been seen allowing businesses to more efficiently conduct their business and for new business to be created. He threatened tariffs to those corporation who sought to offshore their manufacturing and low and behold, those same corporations started to announce reinvestment in America again. He pushed through the biggest tax cuts in history that benefited not only business, to allow them to reinvest and grow and hire but also for individuals to take home more money and for some to receive incentive checks from their employers.

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Trump didn't have to deal with anything near what Obama inherited, so it's rather ridiculous to compare the two since the circumstances were not nearly the same.

I will say that most of what you're saying about Trump's policies is not true. There were some regulations that needed to go, and there is an increase in manufacturing. But the vast majority of jobs lost have not returned as you seem to want to claim, and the two trillion dollar tax cut for corporate heads has so far mostly been used to buy back stock. I hope you know that there is more to an economy than corporate earnings. The gap between the rich and poor is still growing and wages are still not keeping up with the cost of living increase.

childeye 2 said:

The gap between the rich and poor is still growing and wages are still not keeping up with the cost of living increase.

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If you want to fix that, what you need to do is make it illegal for anyone to be compensated with shares of stock/stock options. That way, all employees and contractors of a public corporation are paid and taxed under the same system instead of the C-suite getting most of their compensation as stock options and paying 15% while everyone else gets to pay 25%+...and corporate profits aren't diverted from investment in the business and dividends into stock buyback programs.

pat34lee said:

The numbers are so good now that Obama wants take credit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...ooming-who-gets-credit-trump-or-obama-n908286

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That's because, as your site shows, his administration is responsible for getting the economy close to where it is now. Trump was handed a booming economy which has continued to improve under Trump's administration.

Newtheran said:

If you want to fix that, what you need to do is make it illegal for anyone to be compensated with shares of stock/stock options. That way, all employees and contractors of a public corporation are paid and taxed under the same system instead of the C-suite getting most of their compensation as stock options and paying 15% while everyone else gets to pay 25%+...and corporate profits aren't diverted from investment in the business and dividends into stock buyback programs.

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It's like Trump borrowed 2 trillion, gave it to the corporate heads so they could spend it on owning more shares and then left it up to the middle class to pay back the loan.

Mountainmanbob said:

Middle class here with goats also in Middle goat class doing extra fine since Trump got in office.
M-Bob

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Um Bob, the two trillion dollars are yet to be paid back with interest. You're doing extra fine so that my children and grandchildren can work harder and longer.

Newtheran said:

I volunteered for the Trump campaign and voted for him.

I did so with the understanding that I was not selecting a pastor, deacon, elder, evangelist, or sunday school teacher. I did it with the understanding that I was looking for a Samson to go in and topple the temple of the Philistines, not a high priest to enter the holy of holies. Whether or not he has a Delilah in his life is of no consequence so long as that Philistine Temple of the Left lies in ruins when he is done.

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This type of reasoning could be dangerous.Let’s put any old Mussolini in there,Just as long as the “trains run on time”.

Yarddog said:

That's because, as your site shows, his administration is responsible for getting the economy close to where it is now. Trump was handed a booming economy which has continued to improve under Trump's administration.

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https://static.thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/obama-trump-economy.jpg

EastCoastRemnant said:

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What people need to try and understand, is that when Mr. Hassett says that the trends of the Obama economy show a distinct change when Trump took office, he is referring to supply side economics as opposed to demand. Hence every graph indicates a change in policy according to supply side economics and not demand side economics.

I personally believe that when Trump won the election, wealthy people with trillions of cash in offshore bank accounts were looking forward to investing that cash because of the policy shift to less taxes on corporate earnings, easing pollution standards, deregulating banking, and everything else that increases supply side earnings. Republican economic policy almost always favors corporate businesses. So this is why every chart shows an upward trend in supply side economics.

The economy under Obama was about protecting wages, making good health coverage available to all, preventing consumer fraud through better banking regulation, high pollution standards to protect our environment, water and air, better fuel efficiency for automobiles (less demand on gasoline), and investing more in renewable energy resources. So when Obama supporters say that the economy was already doing well, they are talking about an overall picture of supply side and consumer side economics.

Notice the charts that Hassett is not showing; that unemployment was already low under Obama, and there also is no change in wage growth after adjustment for inflation. Moreover, the same charts Hassett is using also show that the same supply side numbers he is touting, were also occurring in the Obama economy in 2012-2014. These numbers always go up and down and up and down again , etc.. I will grant you that under the Trump administration there are now higher corporate earnings, which is what his policies are meant to serve, but the 300 billion dollars in investment is offset by the 400 billion dollar increase each year in deficit spending, which the middle class will most likely be the ones paying for, either in more taxes or increased costs of living, or both.

pat34lee said:

For such a dolt as you think he is, President Trump has done more for our country than Obama ever could. If Hillary had been allowed to continue his
failures, we would be bankrupt before 2020.

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The U.S. federal deficit for July totalled $76.9 billion, pushing the total figure for the first 10 months of the fiscal year to $684 billion—up almost 21 percent on this time in 2017.

A combination of increased spending and reduced tax intake have conspired to push the deficit higher, with President Donald Trump’s administration now estimating that the total figure will top $1 trillion in 2019, CBS News reported.

Trump vowed to cut the deficit when running for president in 2016, regularly bashing Barack Obama’s economic policies that saw the shortfall swell to well above $1 trillion during his time in office. He even promised to wipe out the national debt, though offered no suggestion of how that might be achieved. But now that he is in the Oval Office, the president seems less worried about the runaway numbers.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-higher-are-trumps-budget-deficits-obamas-1069476

Well, he's certainly massively increased the deficit, but I'm not sure that it would be considered "doing more for our country." The massive increase is, as you probably know, is due to the lavish tax cuts Trump gave himself and his friends.

If you don't want us going broke, your support for someone moving us closer to that point is a little puzzling.

Mountainmanbob said:

Although rough-around-the-edges my hopes are that Trump can finish this term and have a second. Don't laugh --maybe he is lacking in some areas but, overall the Country seems to be heading in a good direction.

Please feel free to answer the poll question asked and explain why.

A blessed day wished for all from up top the mountain.
M-Bob

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What makes "Mountainmanbob" believe that "The Donald" would voluntarily relinquish control of the White House even if he was impeached and/or voted out of office?

Mountainmanbob said:

Talk regarding impeachment seems silly at this time although the Democrats throw it out there as if it's real and possible. I love watching silly Maxine Waters throwing out the impeachment Theory. She looks and sounds so ridiculous.
M-Bob

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Manafort's decision to take Mueller's plea deal today just made a Trump impeachment a lot more "real and possible!"

If the President committed criminal acts but can't be prosecuted until after he leaves office, they will literally have to drag "The Donald" kicking and screaming out of the White House if he is impeached or voted out of office!

Maxine Waters would be first in line to perform her constitutional duty in "turfing" this unindicted conspirator out of office!

Mountainmanbob said:

We of this house are Average Joe's and our accountant showed us on paper where Trump's tax cuts are going to greatly help us. So we are not really listening to the naysayers, we are taking for truth what is put into our hands -- more monies to spend.

True, everything is getting more expensive so we need more money so as to hold our ground -- kind of.

M-Bob

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It doesn't make a lot of economic sense to fund a tax cut when the economy is doing well - especially when its financed with borrowed money!

Republicans were highly critical of Obama for increasing the federal deficit during hard economic times - only to do a 180* when they took control of the White House!

The Barbarian said:

Well, he's certainly massively increased the deficit, but I'm not sure that it would be considered "doing more for our country." The massive increase is, as you probably know, is due to the lavish tax cuts Trump gave himself and his friends.

If you don't want us going broke, your support for someone moving us closer to that point is a little puzzling.

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Remember Solyndra? How much of Obama's spending
for "shovel ready" projects ended up going to companies
who went out of business once they had collected?
How much went to banks to encourage more loans, yet
never left the bank vaults, and was used instead to pay
bonuses to those who lost billions?