Serena Williams - what is sortsmanship

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Williams, like many athletes and entertainers, succeed in spite of racism and sexism. Someone being successful does not mean that racism or sexism does not exist. Frederick Douglass did well in his life compared to others... does that mean racism did not exist in the 19th century? Such arguments are quite asinine when you equate amount of money to lack of racism, especially when you have GOP officials calling black athletes baboons.
The umpire is not a GOP official, he has nothing to do with the GOP. He is a tennis umpire and Portuguese so I don't know why you brought that up. He umpired the game according to the rules and regulations of the sport and he did so without fear or favour. Williams behaviour was disgraceful and what should have been a wonderful day for her young opponent on winning her first grand slam was completely highjacked by William's childish tantrums.
Whatever prejudices Williams may have suffered during her life had absolutely nothing to do with what happened on the court that day. She was taking a beating at the hands of her young opponent and she simply lost the plot.
 
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Williams behaviour was disgraceful and what should have been a wonderful day for her young opponent on winning her first grand slam was completely highjacked by William's childish tantrums.

Winning the Grand Slam can never be taken away from her.

She participates in a sport where competitors sometimes lose their cool ...
 
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Thank-you for acknowledging this truth.



You don't think that her recent childbirth might have anything to do with it ?

In any case, anyone who watches tennis has seen incidents of poor player behavior before, ... many much worse than what we saw from Serena. In the same way that it is claimed that John McEnroe's court-side antics ultimately led to more professional refereeing of the sport, Serena may contribute to the rules being applied more consistently.

I have never considered Serena to be a saint, ... simply an amazingly talented and successful participant in her chosen sport ... consistently securing the #1 ranking in women's tennis since 2002.

Though I am perfectly content to see her hand over her dominance in women's tennis ... to Naomi Osaka ...
You are only reinforcing my point. You do not excuse gross breaches of conduct because you have seen worse. You simply say, it was a breach of the code of conduct. After that it's just a case of applying the prescribed sanctions.

Applying issues such as ... I am a new mother, my cat died or any other reason, certainly can make the action understandable, but not excuseable.
 
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I would suggest that he who has no sin ... cast the first stone ...
No... That's not how it works. The referee gets to judge the sin and apply the sanction
To excuse gross misconduct in the way you are, propagates poor behaviour
 
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You are only reinforcing my point. You do not excuse gross breaches of conduct because you have seen worse. You simply say, it was a breach of the code of conduct. After that it's just a case of applying the prescribed sanctions.

So why is it still blowing up ? Serena has calmed down ... why is it still such a big deal ?
 
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No... That's not how it works. The referee gets to judge the sin and apply the sanction

To excuse gross misconduct in the way you are, propagates poor behaviour

I wasn't referring to the official. I think that, generally, he has handled himself well.

My comment was for all those who were still blowing off about Serena having a bad day ... as if it, somehow, wasn't common to the human condition ...
 
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How dare that cartoonist portray a large black woman throwing a temper tantrum as a large black woman throwing a temper tantrum? Oh the humanity!
He portrayed her as the worst kind of 19th century racist caricature, coupled with changing the race of her black opponent to white, blond in order apparently to contrast the angry black woman with the calm white....... sorry but racist.
 
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He portrayed her as the worst kind of 19th century racist caricature, coupled with changing the race of her black opponent to white, blond in order apparently to contrast the angry black woman with the calm white....... sorry but racist.
...in your opinion. Her opponent doesn't look white to me in the cartoon, and what color should he have made Osaka's pony tail...seeing as it's blonde and all?

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https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...e-argument-naomi-osaka-coaching-a8529391.html
 
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The umpire is not a GOP official, he has nothing to do with the GOP. He is a tennis umpire and Portuguese so I don't know why you brought that up.
The point was made that someone with money does not experience racism or is subjected to racist insults. Yet NFL players protesting police brutality, some of them are wealthy, were attacked with racist comparisons to apes by GOP officials. Their money does not remove the racism as was argued: success or excelling in a field has no bearing on the existence or experience of racism. That's not a hard to follow.

He umpired the game according to the rules and regulations of the sport and he did so without fear or favour. Williams behaviour was disgraceful and what should have been a wonderful day for her young opponent on winning her first grand slam was completely highjacked by William's childish tantrums.
Men have done the same and have not been maligned as such, that's Williams point. She can be angry, she can express anger, yet when a woman does that, she is often considered hysterical or "childish."

Whatever prejudices Williams may have suffered during her life had absolutely nothing to do with what happened on the court that day. She was taking a beating at the hands of her young opponent and she simply lost the plot.
And Williams never claimed that she lost because of the tennis umpire so let's stop making things up, such statements suggest one did not look at the match and is angry because a black athlete spoke out against any issue. The fact that people are attacking her for bringing up race, which she did not, further cements that point.

I must have missed where you answered this question. ;)
You must have deliberately ignored the part about changing the race of the opponent to a white woman to make a distinction between the two. That distinction shows the obvious racism, including the caricatured black features of black women.
 
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You must have deliberately ignored the part about changing the race of the opponent to a white woman to make a distinction between the two. That distinction shows the obvious racism, including the caricatured black features of black women.
Scroll up three posts (#93) and stop bearing false witness. Thanks.
 
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Scroll up three posts (#93) and stop bearing false witness. Thanks.
Summer madness is not the one lying about how the cartoonist portrayed the race of the opponent.
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Please follow your own advice and cease bearing false witness when it has been demonstrated that he has portrayed the opponent as white and blonde.
 
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The point was made that someone with money does not experience racism or is subjected to racist insults. Yet NFL players protesting police brutality, some of them are wealthy, were attacked with racist comparisons to apes by GOP officials. Their money does not remove the racism as was argued: success or excelling in a field has no bearing on the existence or experience of racism. That's not a hard to follow.

Men have done the same and have not been maligned as such, that's Williams point. She can be angry, she can express anger, yet when a woman does that, she is often considered hysterical or "childish."

And Williams never claimed that she lost because of the tennis umpire so let's stop making things up, such statements suggest one did not look at the match and is angry because a black athlete spoke out against any issue. The fact that people are attacking her for bringing up race, which she did not, further cements that point.

You must have deliberately ignored the part about changing the race of the opponent to a white woman to make a distinction between the two. That distinction shows the obvious racism, including the caricatured black features of black women.
 
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Summer madness is not the one lying about how the cartoonist portrayed the race of the opponent.
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Your personal opinion does not constitute fact. It's an important distinction often overlooked by people playing the race card. :wave:
Please follow your own advice and cease bearing false witness when it has been demonstrated that he has portrayed the opponent as white and blonde.
What color was he supposed to make her pony tail, seeing as it's blonde and all. :scratch:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...e-argument-naomi-osaka-coaching-a8529391.html
 
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