LDS LDS Temple Weddings are anti-family

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By understanding the milk and the meat of the gospel, the family will be closer together, and the temple marriage will be accepted even though some may not be able to be at the marriage ceremony.

Quite idealistic, hardly realistic.

John 1:1-2
On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples.

This was only a month or so after John baptizes Jesus. The disciples were meat of the gospel men at this time? ..... Peter?
 
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“‘What is hurtful to me is that because of his beliefs, it feels like we’re being forced out,’ Cheri says, ‘and the reason we can’t be there is probably the most hurtful — that we’re deemed “unworthy” by the church to enter the temple.

“‘You’re there for 3 a.m. feedings. You’re there at every single game and headache and shot and broken bone and parent-teacher conference. You hug him when he’s got his heart broken for not making the basketball team, and to be told you’re not worthy to be there on his most important day?'”

http://blog.mrm.org/2010/04/wedding-heartbreak/

Another example of the victims of this policy.
 
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So to recap this thread so far (and get it back or keep it on track):

OP asserts that the LDS Temple wedding is anti-family because it divides families along lines of "worthiness" which is determined solely by the men who run the mormon religion.

The only mormon response has been to say that this isn't true and that somehow people are mostly OK with being prohibited and excluded from their children's and other loved ones' weddings. The poster provides no evidence for this. The mormon poster also goes on to say that somehow mormon marriages have saved marriage for "the rest of" Christianity but again provides no evidence for this.

Meanwhile, I have provided articles and Dr. Steve has just posted yet another article which clearly show the division among families that is caused by these horrifically anti-family mormon temple weddings.

It's an interesting example of how mormons are trained and taught to use cult strategies when defending their religion. Deflect first, dodge, then project by asserting the opposite of the truth, all the while offering no evidence.

Furthermore, the evidence is right in the words of the LDS org's own spokespersons who concede that the exclusivity of the weddings is NOT an easy thing but rather a very difficult thing to deal with.

The irony is that the mormons continue to whine about being "bashed" while defending their religion which continues to bash people through these incredibly anti-family policies.

It also has not been addressed by any mormon why it is that the mormon religion forces people to wait one year for the temple wedding if they perform a civil service first. Clearly this is done to manipulate and punish people for not following the cult.
 
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Amen. That is all the truth, even as Mormons try to deny it.

I have also found it curious that the particular Mormon poster's defenses have included several overtures to me personally that if I find it so troubling, I could join the Mormon religion and get the necessary clearance to join in the ceremony.

Not only is that illogical on its face (if I object to the policy on principle, then why would I want to abide by it and support it by participating in it? The point is that the policy needa to be scrapped altogether, not that everyone should prop up the corrupt, anti-family system by joining Mormonism and getting temple recommends!), but it really reminds me of the 'choice' given to our forefathers by an earlier anti-Christ religion, Islam. That religion also offered that we could escape second class treatment by abandoning Christ and joining it instead. I am eternally grateful that a healthy number resisted and continue to do so. I hope all the non-Mormons affected by this inherently unjust policy will do the same, mindful if they are Christians that in the end Mormonism will be torn out at its roots, as it was not planted by God.
 
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Since people want a "Mormon" response, I'll weigh in.

You have a Mormon relative. You intend to have your wedding in your congregation's building.

Do you invite your relative?

If your answer is "no", then how is that any different?

I have been to weddings that have had Jews, atheists, Baptists, Catholics, SDA, and Yes--a Mormon! The Mormon temple wedding is the only wedding that barred anyone. A co-worker got married--there was a Muslim, 4 Catholics and several "nothing in particular" along with 4 Jews and 3 Southern Baptists. The mother was not there only because the bride had had to throw her in jail for public drunkenness! Oh, well. It was ridiculous that my stepdaughter had her Mormon temple wedding to which her dying father, brother and own mother could not attend---much less a stepmother. Jesus was not into exclusivity.
 
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Since people want a "Mormon" response, I'll weigh in.

You have a Mormon relative. You intend to have your wedding in your congregation's building.

Do you invite your relative?

If your answer is "no", then how is that any different?
I don't know anyone who wouldn't invite a non-member to a Christian wedding. Every wedding in my family in our church was attended by Christians of other denominations as well as non-Christians such as Jews, Muslims, atheists, and yes, even Mormons.

That's the whole point of this thread - the practice of exclusivity is specifically mormon and the irony is that the mormon religion, above all others, likes to tout that they are very pro-family.

Years ago my sister worked for A&P (I can tell this story now because they're out of business). They were a huge grocery chain and my sister worked in the corporate headquarters. At one point, they were experiencing severe problems with quality and freshness in their produce, chain-wide. What was their response? They launched a new advertising campaign that boasted that fresh produce was their #1 priority. They boasted the exact opposite of the truth about their business.

That's how I see the mormon religion. I always believed they were very pro-family but now I realize it's because they SAID so. When you have to say it, it's usually not true. Now I see that. They SAY it so much but it's a cover-up.

So to answer your question, YES I invite the mormon relative. Or even a mormon friend, or acquaintance, if I feel so inclined. My Church would have no problems, they don't ask, they don't want to know anything about the religions of people attending. Our ceremonies are all to the Glory of God and the Church sees it as another form of evangelizing. Our Church and our priest would LOVE to see non-Christians come to the weddings as it gives us a chance to share Christianity with them. We have no hidden ceremonies or rituals or anything. Everything we do is in the open.
 
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Since people want a "Mormon" response, I'll weigh in.

You have a Mormon relative. You intend to have your wedding in your congregation's building.

Do you invite your relative?

If your answer is "no", then how is that any different?

Of course I'd invite them, why wouldn't I?

My wedding was extremely diverse in the religion of its attendants (I had a catholic wedding - whole hour mass service style) Among my guests were SDAs, non-denominational Christians, lutheran, anglican, atheist, pagan and even a Jehovah's Witness (she snuck in, she's not supposed to be in a catholic church according to her religion but she came anyway and had a great time)

A wedding is a celebration (well it should be) everyone who you love and care about in your life should be there - regardless of their religious beliefs, to say otherwise is not only anti-family, its anti-friendships as well.
 
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Take into consideration the Mormon relatives, sometime parents of the bride or groom, who are deemed unworthy to be there because they drink coffee or don't have a testimony.

My brother-in-law never held the priesthood so couldn't baptize his children. My husband baptized them.
 
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Since people want a "Mormon" response, I'll weigh in.

You have a Mormon relative. You intend to have your wedding in your congregation's building.

Do you invite your relative?

Absolutely! None of my relatives are Mormon or Orthodox, but I think everyone should come to Orthodox services, and even if they don't really care about the service itself, they still want to be at the wedding, and the Church encourages them to be, so how could I deny them anything? It's not my place to say, even if I wanted to be a heartless snob and say that only Orthodox may attend (which I wouldn't). That's not how we do things. The doors of the Church are open to everyone.

Why would the answer ever be "no" based on any religious or theological differences?
 
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Something tells me the bride's family at this Coptic Orthodox wedding in the UK did not all convert to see her marriage...nor would they ever have to! What a horrible thing that would be.

It makes me wonder: is the Mormon policy really a way of perhaps artificially inflating their numbers, no matter how small the resulting bump may be? Plenty of Christian churches have people who convert for marriage, after all, so it wouldn't be too out of the question that this is something else that Mormonism would've stolen from us (though in this case a lot less positive than, say, the Biblical canon).

Or if not that (cos that seems a bit extreme, even to me), I could imagine a scenario in which a lapsed parent or other relative might suddenly/suspiciously become a lot more active and/or pious after hearing of the potential for a temple marriage, so as to make sure that by the time it comes around they've got all their worthy ducks in a row...in fact, I know it happens because I'm reading about it at the moment in a book on the Mark Hoffmann murder/forgery cases from the 1980s. Mr. Hoffmann was outwardly professing Mormon piety when it suited him (in his case, to make money off of forgeries sold to the LDS Corporate Church and other Mormon VIPs that left a huge black mark on the credibility of all involved; I guess the "prophet's" and general authorities' powers of discernment weren't so great during the time of Hinckley et al. when all this was going on), while apparently never really buying into the Mormon faith in which he was raised, having basically turned atheist by his college years. I'd imagine it is even easier to fly undercover if all you want to do is go into a building for a wedding ceremony once in your life than it would be if your goal were to successfully bilk the Mormon Corporation out of millions of dollars over the course of several years.

Not to draw a direct parallel between the two situations, though they both do ruin families, and can do quite a bit to shake a person's faith in Mormonism...
 
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