How will Damascus be obliterated?

Dave L · Sep 8, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
If the Lord say ,damascus shall cease to be a city,ans he does,then it shall cease to be a city.

As keras pointed out,its still there .
Your rejection if reality is a massive fail of biblical proportions

Did Jerusalem cease to be a city? Yes and is Jerusalem today in name only.

Dave L · Sep 8, 2018

Waterwerx said:
What part of Isaiah 17:1 in conjunction with the context are you missing here?
Damascus is considered to be the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world.
While I'm quite sure that portions of Damascus have been damaged in various conflicts throughout history, the Scripture here is indicating that it will cease from being a city and that it will become a pile of ruins. This has never happened.

See also Jeremiah 49:27 , Amos 1:3-5 .

I don't see how this is encouraging innocent bloodshed. The fact of the matter is that when these prophecies are being fulfilled during the tribulation, its not going to be an event strictly limited to Damascus since other cities/nations are also judged. Nor is it something we can hasten to occur or prevent. God says it will happen, and it will happen at His appointed time instead of when someone(or group of someones) "thinks" its time.

Jerusalem also considered one of the oldest. But we know the continuity with the past was broken in 70 AD.

shilohsfoal · Sep 8, 2018

Dave L said:
So is Jerusalem that the Romans leveled in 70 AD.

Yes.and jerusalem was never desolste in 70 ad.It was occupied by the Romans.

Dave L · Sep 8, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Yes.and jerusalem was never desolste in 70 ad.It was occupied by the Romans.

Jesus said not one stone would be left on top of another. And this happened in 70 AD.

shilohsfoal · Sep 8, 2018

Dave L said:
Jesus said not one stone would be left on top of another. And this happened in 70 AD.

Were the Romans there while the stone were taken one from atop te other?
I dont remember the word saying Jerusalem shall cease to be a city and it hasnt.
Beside this.Damascus has not ceased tobe a city as God said.
Are you saying God was wrong?

shilohsfoal · Sep 8, 2018

Dave L said:
Did Jerusalem cease to be a city? Yes and is Jerusalem today in name only.

Has damascus ceased tobe a city?
Its still there so no it hasnt ceased.

https://goo.gl/images/dPpTBj

Dave L · Sep 8, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Has damascus ceased tobe a city?
Its still there so no it hasnt ceased.

https://goo.gl/images/dPpTBj

No, but it is the same in name only. Just like Jerusalem.

nonaeroterraqueous · Sep 8, 2018

Dave L said:
This prophecy was fulfilled a long time ago.

I find that when reading the whole chapter it becomes apparent that the prophecy was written to Israelites. I could hardly imagine that God, back then, was chastising Arabs who weren't even living there, yet. The chapter keeps going back to mentioning Israel. I'm inclined to think that you're right, and that this refers to Israelite Damascus, when it was part of the tribe of Dan.

I would also note that the tribe of Dan was the only one of the original twelve not mentioned as part of the 144,000 in the book of Revelation. I think this may tie back into the original prophecy that Damascus would never exist again.

I would also further suggest that when regional or national capitols are mentioned, very often it's a way of referring to the country (or tribal region), and not just the capitol. I don't think this is just a prophecy against this one city, as though we could look at the standing structures and say, "See, look! They still stand!" The prophecy was against the people, not the structures. More importantly, it was really about the tribe of Dan, even though the literal words say that it was about Damascus. The tribe of Dan is gone, and I don't think that the Christ is going to number them among his own in calling his people from the four corners of the Earth (another colloquialism).

Forgive me if I seem uninitiated. I don't venture into Eschatology much, as it usually confuses me. It's just that I occasionally get that moment where I feel like I really understand something, and this is one of those moments.

Dave L · Sep 8, 2018

nonaeroterraqueous said:
I find that when reading the whole chapter it becomes apparent that the prophecy was written to Israelites. I could hardly imagine that God, back then, was chastising Arabs who weren't even living there, yet. The chapter keeps going back to mentioning Israel. I'm inclined to think that you're right, and that this refers to Israelite Damascus, when it was part of the tribe of Dan.

I would also note that the tribe of Dan was the only one of the original twelve not mentioned as part of the 144,000 in the book of Revelation. I think this may tie back into the original prophecy that Damascus would never exist again.

I would also further suggest that when regional or national capitols are mentioned, very often it's a way of referring to the country (or tribal region), and not just the capitol. I don't think this is just a prophecy against this one city, as though we could look at the standing structures and say, "See, look! They still stand!" The prophecy was against the people, not the structures. More importantly, it was really about the tribe of Dan, even though the literal words say that it was about Damascus. The tribe of Dan is gone, and I don't think that the Christ is going to number them among his own in calling his people from the four corners of the Earth (another colloquialism).

Forgive me if I seem uninitiated. I don't venture into Eschatology much, as it usually confuses me. It's just that I occasionally get that moment where I feel like I really understand something, and this is one of those moments.

There is plenty of history already posted above showing the prophecy fulfilled BC. The treachery comes when we instigate innocent bloodshed in the Middle East unwittingly applying ancient defunct prophecies to the future. Many do this not only with this passage, but in saying already fulfilled prophecies pertain to Russia. Never mentioned in scripture. But crackpots will use these passages bringing innocent bloodshed down on their own heads.

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 8, 2018

God does not and cannot lie! Damascus will be obliterated. It shall not continue as a city. To deny the truth of prophecy is to call God a liar.

Dave L · Sep 8, 2018

Handmaid for Jesus said:
God does not and cannot lie! Damascus will be obliterated. It shall not continue as a city. To deny the truth of prophecy is to call God a liar.

You are saying your inability to perceive the fulfillment means it was not fulfilled.

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 8, 2018

Dave L said:
You are saying your inability to perceive the fulfillment means it was not fulfilled.

What I am saying is Damascus still exists as a city so your denial of the fact is a delusion fostered by the heretical preterist doctrine.

Dave L · Sep 8, 2018

Handmaid for Jesus said:
What I am saying is Damascus still exists as a city so your denial of the fact is a delusion fostered by the heretical preterist doctrine.

I'm not preterist in the least. But I know what history says. And the prophecy came to pass as stated. We help shed innocent blood in the Middle East and in terrorism around the world when we justify the destructive actions of others this way.

jgr · Sep 8, 2018

Handmaid for Jesus said:
What I am saying is Damascus still exists as a city so your denial of the fact is a delusion fostered by the heretical preterist doctrine.

What's heretical?

History realizes.
Futurism fantasizes.

Easy answer.

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 8, 2018

Dave L said:
I'm not preterist in the least. But I know what history says. And the prophecy came to pass as stated. We help shed innocent blood in the Middle East and in terrorism around the world when we justify the destructive actions of others this way.

You have to take that up with our Heavenly Father. It is His Word
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Are you more righteous than our Father?

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 8, 2018

Handmaid for Jesus said:
God does not and cannot lie! Damascus will be obliterated. It shall not continue as a city. To deny the truth of prophecy is to call God a liar.

Dave L said:
You are saying your inability to perceive the fulfillment means it was not fulfilled.

Handmaid for Jesus said:
What I am saying is Damascus still exists as a city so your denial of the fact is a delusion fostered by the heretical preterist doctrine.

Dave L said:
I'm not preterist in the least. But I know what history says. And the prophecy came to pass as stated. We help shed innocent blood in the Middle East and in terrorism around the world when we justify the destructive actions of others this way.

Handmaid for Jesus said:
You have to take that up with our Heavenly Father. It is His Word
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Are you more righteous than our Father?

Was Damascus ever referred to as "the Bloody City" as Jerusalem was, as also in the NT?

Ezekiel 24:
9 “ ‘Therefore, this is what the Lord God says:
Woe to the City of bloodshed!† I myself will make the pile of kindling large.

Nahum 3:1
Woe to the City of blood, full of lies, full of plunder, never without victims!

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/this-generation-in-bible.8075362/
"THIS GENERATION" in Bible

Matthew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah,
whom you murdered between the Sanctuary and the altar.
Luke 11:
50 so that this generation may be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world
51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the Sanctuary.
Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

Revelation 18:24
“And in Her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”

2Timothy2:15 · Sep 8, 2018

Handmaid for Jesus said:
We have discussed Damascus in other threads. We know that Damascus will be destroyed, but it is not clear how our Father will accomplish this. What are your thoughts?
17 A prophecy against Damascus:

“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.

Have you seen Damascus lately? It is pretty close to being utterly destroyed already. Prophecy unfolding before our eyes but yet there are some of us not seeing it...

2Timothy2:15 · Sep 8, 2018

Dave L said:
Jesus said not one stone would be left on top of another. And this happened in 70 AD.

That was the temple he was speaking of, not the city as a whole.

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 8, 2018

2Timothy2:15 said:
Have you seen Damascus lately? It is pretty close to being utterly destroyed already. Prophecy unfolding before our eyes but yet there are some of us not seeing it...

Yes I agree. It is obvious that it was not destroyed in 70A.D. That is why I started this thread.

Dave L · Sep 8, 2018

2Timothy2:15 said:
That was the temple he was speaking of, not the city as a whole.

Check your history.

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