2Thessalonians 2:3-4

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Some believe this takes place in Ezekiel's temple:
2Th 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

But how can that be when God said to Ezekiel? :
Eze 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.

So does Ezekiel's temple get built, then defiled? Then destroyed, or cleansed? Or does 2 Thessalonians 2:4 mean something else?
 

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Hi chunkofcoal, I have a couple of opinions to share.

1) Temples are bodies...

1 Corinthians 3:16
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"


Which means Scripture is pointing to a Temple/Body that has been compromised...

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2) According to what I and many others see in Scripture, Ezekiel's Temple was a 'Conditional Promise' that went unfulfilled.

Just a few more verses and we read...

Ezekiel 43:11
"And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them"


In other words, *IF* the Israelites repented etc. God would build Ezekiel's version of the Temple.

They never did so the offer fell through.

Fast forward to 32:00 to see a very detailed explanation of this...


Note that what the Temple Institute wishes to build and what is described in Ezekiel are vastly different.

On top of that, Ezekiel's Temple, with its animal sacrifices, are contrary to what Scripture teaches as far as the Millennium etc.
 
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God’s temples in The Revelation and Ezekiel have the presence of His Glory there. The Kavod - the smoke/fire pillar.

It’s interesting to note that while God commanded the 2nd temple to be built - His Glory never officially inaugurated the place or rested there via manifestation of The Glory. And God never required the people of the captivity to only woship or present offerings there... Ezekiel 11:16 is in effect.

So none of the efforts in between the 1st temple and those final temples seem to be treated as official places for the resting of His Glory... They seem to be treated as places of worship where people gather and God follows through on his promise to be with them assuming an appropriate minyan is present to request His presence.....
 
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If this so called "son of perdition" builds a "temple of god" so that he can sit in it declaring himself as God... I wouldn't be surprised. I had often contemplated this event in timing, place, and foresaw people gathering together to build "god's temple" only to be fooled by both the "god" in it and the false hope that this would be god's temple.
 
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If this so called "son of perdition" builds a "temple of god" so that he can sit in it declaring himself as God... I wouldn't be surprised. I had often contemplated this event in timing, place, and foresaw people gathering together to build "god's temple" only to be fooled by both the "god" in it and the false hope that this would be god's temple.
A bit like their own golden calf?
 
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A bit like their own golden calf?
And just as it was then so it will be again, while the people of God go up for the Mount Sinai experience, those below will gather together thinking that just because they have Aaron, the levite officiating and willing to do as they say, it will be sanctioned for the golden calf to be worshipped as their god...

Meanwhile....
 
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Hi chunkofcoal, I have a couple of opinions to share.

1) Temples are bodies...

1 Corinthians 3:16
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"


Which means Scripture is pointing to a Temple/Body that has been compromised...

full


2) According to what I and many others see in Scripture, Ezekiel's Temple was a 'Conditional Promise' that went unfulfilled.

Just a few more verses and we read...

Ezekiel 43:11
"And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them"


In other words, *IF* the Israelites repented etc. God would build Ezekiel's version of the Temple.

They never did so the offer fell through.

Fast forward to 32:00 to see a very detailed explanation of this...


Note that what the Temple Institute wishes to build and what is described in Ezekiel are vastly different.

On top of that, Ezekiel's Temple, with its animal sacrifices, are contrary to what Scripture teaches as far as the Millennium etc.

Another example of how the Bible is putty in our hands.
 
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Remember that God’s Holy Spirit is given to us temporarily as a sort of “Deposit” to guarantee the promise of our inheritance. Ephesians 1:13-14. While The Holy Spirit is upon us - yes - our body serves as the temple for God.....

But we don’t necessarily know what will happen in our future inheritance. What will God give us to replace the Holy Spirit upon us receiving possession of our inheritance?
 
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Remember that God’s Holy Spirit is given to us temporarily as a sort of “Deposit” to guarantee the promise of our inheritance. Ephesians 1:13-14. While The Holy Spirit is upon us - yes - our body serves as the temple for God.....

But we don’t necessarily know what will happen in our future inheritance. What will God give us to replace the Holy Spirit upon us receiving possession of our inheritance?
I don't think there will be anything replacing the Holy Spirit. For once we have received the full measure, we will be like Yeshua. Our transformation complete.
 
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Remember that God’s Holy Spirit is given to us temporarily as a sort of “Deposit” to guarantee the promise of our inheritance. Ephesians 1:13-14. While The Holy Spirit is upon us - yes - our body serves as the temple for God.....

But we don’t necessarily know what will happen in our future inheritance. What will God give us to replace the Holy Spirit upon us receiving possession of our inheritance?
God won't replace the Holy Spirit upon us - God redeems us to bring us to Himself.
 
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Just throwing this out there.

The Body of Messiah is the entirety of all believers being built up into a holy temple (Ephesians 2:20-22). For hundreds of years the Popes sat as the self proclaimed "vicars of God" ruling over believers worldwide (sitting in the temple of God). Here are a few quotes to consider in this regard;

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”

“The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth…by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.” the New York Catechism.

“To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.” the Roman Canon Law 1685

Pope Nicholas I declared: "the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man."
Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National, July 1895

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty"
Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894
In conjunction with those statements, here is John Gill's commentary on verse 3;

a succession of men is here meant, as a king is used sometimes for an order and succession of kings, Deu_17:18 and an high priest for that whole order, from Aaron's time to the dissolution of it, Heb_9:7 so here it intends the whole hierarchy of Rome, monks, friars, priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals, and especially popes, who may well be called "the man of sin", because notoriously sinful; not only sinners, but sin itself, a sink of sin, monsters of iniquity, spiritual wickednesses in high places: it is not easy to reckon up their impieties, their adulteries, incest, sodomy, rapine, murder, avarice, simony, perjury, lying, necromancy, familiarity with the devil, idolatry, witchcraft, and what not? and not only have they been guilty of the most notorious crimes themselves, but have been the patrons and encouragers of others in sin; by dispensing with the laws of God and man, by making sins to be venial, by granting indulgences and pardon for the worst of crimes, by licensing brothel houses, and countenancing all manner of wickedness;
Here is Gill's commentary on verse 4;

Who opposeth,.... Or is an opposer, an adversary of Christ, the antichrist; who opposes him in his kingly office, styling himself the head and spouse of the church, assuming to himself all power in heaven and in earth, taking upon him to dispense with the laws of Christ, and to make new ones; who opposes him in his priestly office, by pretending to offer him up again in the sacrifice of the mass, and by making angels and saints departed, intercessors and advocates; and also in his prophetic office, by teaching for doctrines the commandments of men, and setting up unwritten traditions before the word of God, requiring the worshipping of images, angels, and saints, when Christ requires that the Lord God only should be worshipped and served; and by introducing the doctrine of works and of merit instead of grace, and with a multitude of other things, in which he most manifestly appears to be diametrically opposite and contrary to Christ:
I highly suggest you read the rest of Gill's commentary on verse 4. I will post it all if someone does not have access to Gill's commentary.

 
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A bit like their own golden calf?
The Golden Calf was a representation of Hathor.

Hathor represented the Female Reproductive System... what they *really* worshiped.

HAT = WOMB
HOR = HORUS

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There is much more to this for those brave enough to meditate on what Scripture teaches as to what the 'Pit' actually means and why beings are 'birthed' from it...

Isaiah 51:1
Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
 
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The Body of Messiah is the entirety of all believers being built up into a holy temple (Ephesians 2:20-22).
Abraham is a picture of the Father...

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The Book of Revelation describes Abraham's Bosom... the THIRD HEAVEN.

It is the Kingdom of God Within.

Sarah is New Jerusalem.

The Wedding Supper is a picture of Abraham and Sarah consummating the Marriage.

The Lamb is the Blood of Messiah (DNA/Seed) that gives LIFE unto those Born Again via Sarah.
 
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"a succession of men is here meant, as a king is used sometimes for an order and succession of kings, Deu_17:18 and an high priest for that whole order, from Aaron's time to the dissolution of it, Heb_9:7 so here it intends the whole hierarchy of Rome, monks, friars, priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals, and especially popes, who may well be called "the man of sin", because notoriously sinful; not only sinners, but sin itself, a sink of sin, monsters of iniquity, spiritual wickednesses in high places: it is not easy to reckon up their impieties, their adulteries, incest, sodomy, rapine, murder, avarice, simony, perjury, lying, necromancy, familiarity with the devil, idolatry, witchcraft, and what not? and not only have they been guilty of the most notorious crimes themselves, but have been the patrons and encouragers of others in sin; by dispensing with the laws of God and man, by making sins to be venial, by granting indulgences and pardon for the worst of crimes, by licensing brothel houses, and countenancing all manner of wickedness;"

He didn't really like them, then? :) :)
 
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1) Temples are bodies...

1 Corinthians 3:16
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
In 1 Corinthians 3:16 "you" is a plural, refers not to one Christian, but to the whole Church. You (plural) - Temple (singular). The whole Christian religion is compromised.

Actually, this religion as a whole is the "temple" in which some man-leader-antichrist is seated. But only this is a mystery, because until now in the Christianity there were saints.

When the birth of our unity takes place, that is, when the "elected from the four winds" gather in Ezekiel's Temple, then the opposition part becomes obvious: those who will remain under the aegis of the former denominations of the Christian religion. Obviously, those people who remain on the "earth" (ie in the carnal religion) will have a leader, a "Christian" president, or a religious leader. He will be the Antichrist.

They will build a gigantic network, 200 million cells ("the army of the horsemen"), that's about 2 billion members (because you have to multiply by 10, they will all be obsessed with tithing and prosperity). Their agitators, pseudo-evangelists, are "locusts" in Revelation.

And there, in Israel, there will be a newborn "child" of our unity in Jesus Christ, outside the framework of denominations. This "child" will be the basis of the future of Israel and the world. And on the opposite side will be "Maher-shalal-hash-baz", the worship of prosperity (beast 666).

So does Ezekiel's temple get built, then defiled? Then destroyed, or cleansed? Or does 2 Thessalonians 2:4 mean something else?

The Temple of Ezekiel will never be defiled. This follows from the prophecy itself.

In 2 Thessalonians 2: 4 the word "temple" in the original is written with the word "naos", which means "sanctuary" (not the entire temple complex, namely the House of the Sanctuary). The apostle Paul used the same word when he spoke of believers as a "temple" of God.

Therefore, it should be clear to us that the devil does not attack the material Temple, which is only an instrument in God's hand, the devil attempts to occupy God's place in the hearts of believers.
 
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