2 Thess 2:12 teaches eternal security

JLB777 · Sep 6, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
Then explain all of the verses that say this are related to the Tribulation and not to the general population of every generation?

Nope.

That is my theology, and it's no theory.

So what? Prove that they are unsaved. Oh, and don't forget to prove that these things are UN-done as well.

1. given eternal life
2. adopted as sons
3. sealed with the Holy Spirit
4. justified
5. forgiven

FreeGrace2 said:
How come you've never put your money where your mouth is?

If any verse I cite refutes my opinion, then why are you so lazy as to NOT point that out and explain how it does?

Again, all you do is demonstrate your preference for rest rather than work.

And you've NEVER refuting anything I've said. But you do throw opinions at what I say.

But everyone knows that opinions without evidence is worthless.

FreeGrace2 said:
FreeGrace2 said: ↑
Do you believe that a saved person, defined by possessing eternal life, can perish?

My question was straightforward. Yes, or no, to my question. Not your meddling with my question.

Can a saved person, defined by possessing eternal life, perish? I don't need any "if..." additions.

It's a straight forward question. But you can't handle it.

Which is what I expected.

You have not provided one single scripture proving that a person does not have to continue to believe to be saved.

Believe is the condition for salvation.

Those who believe are saved.

Those who believe for a while, then no longer believe, are no longer saved.

Their initial believing was done in vain because the do not believe presently.

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2

in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you

JLB

Loren T. · Sep 6, 2018

4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

JLB777 · Sep 6, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
Can a saved person, defined by possessing eternal life, perish? I don't need any "if..." additions.

All who come forth in the resurrection of life will not perish because they can not die anymore.

As Jesus so plainly said -

those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
John 5:28-29

again

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life

Those who are faithful to hear and follow all their life will be given eternal life on the Day of Judgement, when they are judged according to their deeds.

Those who follow for a while, are saved for awhile.

We must continue to believe; hear and obey the teachings of Christ.

Those who turn away from His teachings, His doctrine, His message, no longer have Christ.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.

JLB

Gr8Grace · Sep 6, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
And we've covered this in depth. It refers to leaving the faith; no longer believing what was once believed. It has nothing to do with all the things that accompany salvation.

And what they fail to realize is that many of the verses warning about falling away from the faith....Are about believers who go back into a system of works/religion/human good. Arguably, they are in a worse spot than the endless hypothetical's they use of "the worst believer's alive."
Gal 5:4~~ New American Standard Bible
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

JLB777 · Sep 6, 2018

Gr8Grace said:
And what they fail to realize is that many of the verses warning about falling away from the faith....Are about believers who go back into a system of works/religion/human good. Arguably, they are in a worse spot than the endless hypothetical's they use of "the worst believer's alive."
Gal 5:4~~ New American Standard Bible
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Which proves OSAS is a false doctrine.

Good point.

Gr8Grace · Sep 6, 2018

JLB777 said:
Which proves OSAS is a false doctrine.

Good point.

For your sake, thank God for the truth of eternal security.

FreeGrace2 · Sep 6, 2018

JLB777 said:
You have not provided one single scripture proving that a person does not have to continue to believe to be saved.[/QUOT]
I'm really sorry to learn that you don't have vision. But I have provided "one single" verse.

It's John 10:28, which have more than demonstrated your hatred for that verse.

Regardless, Jesus said very clearly that those He gives eternal life shall never perish.

So, those familiar with word usage know that the only condition for never perishing is to be given eternal life. Can you refute this and show that it isn't a fact?

Further, I've shown from Scripture that eternal life is actually possessed by those who believe. And there's no verse that says eternal life is possessed ONLY when one continues to believe, or ONLY AS LONG AS one continues to believe.

Again, can you refute this and show that it isn't a fact?

Believe is the condition for salvation.

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That is correct. What is FALSE is to claim that if one ceases to believe, they cease to be saved. And you've not shared one single Scripture that says what you keep claiming.

Those who believe are saved.

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Do you know what God provides to those who believe?

Once a person believes,

1. they have salvation Eph 2:8

2. they have eternal life John 3:5:24 6:47, 1 John 5:11, 13

3. they are SEALED with the Holy Spirit Eph 1:13

4. they are GUARANTEED their inheritance until the day of redemption Eph 1:14

5. they SHALL NEVER PERISH John 10:28

So, only when you or someone else can provide verses that actually UN-do these 5 things will you have a point to make.

Those who believe for a while, then no longer believe, are no longer saved.

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Your opinion has no support from Scripture. Or you would have shared it by now.

So, why do you continue to believe a fantasy?

Their initial believing was done in vain because the do not believe presently.

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And what verse backs you up on this opinion?

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2

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Seriously? I've explained this verse to you many times, but you're just not willing to consider the truth.

The words "hold fast" is a single word in Greek, and means "to possess".

Do you know what that means? It means to believe. Those who believe the gospel possess the gospel. Is that too difficult to grasp?

Now, the words "in vain" in the Greek mean "without reason". Do you know what that means? It means believing without a goal or purpose.

iow, to "believe in vain" means there is no purpose or reason for your belief.

Kind of like the prosperity TV fakers called preachers: believe in Christ for a better life, yada, yada, yada.

in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you
JLB

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One more time: when a person believes, God does many things for the believer that cannot be UN-done:

1. they have salvation Eph 2:8

2. they have eternal life John 3:5:24 6:47, 1 John 5:11, 13

3. they are SEALED with the Holy Spirit Eph 1:13

4. they are GUARANTEED their inheritance until the day of redemption Eph 1:14

5. they SHALL NEVER PERISH John 10:28

So, unless and until you provide verses that actually UN-do all these things, you have no point.

Your opinion is pointless.

FreeGrace2 · Sep 6, 2018

Loren T. said:
4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Have you considered the context here?

v.6-12 is obviously referring to the 7 year Tribulation. It is NOT related to any other time frame.

FreeGrace2 · Sep 6, 2018

JLB777 said:
All who come forth in the resurrection of life will not perish because they can not die anymore.

As Jesus so plainly said -

those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
John 5:28-29

He spoke of never being condemned back up in v.24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

and
John 6:47 - Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.

and
1 John 5:13 - I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

You seem to have a special fascination with the Greek present tense. Well, knock yourself out on these 3 verses, all of which SAY that those who believe currently HAVE eternal life. Even though you have repeatedly rejected that and claim that eternal life is only given after one dies.

So, one more time:
1 john 5:11 - And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Did you notice the PAST TENSE here? So explain that verse in light of your unbiblical opinions about when one receives eternal life.

Those who follow for a while, are saved for awhile.

I'm not interested in unsubstantiated opinions, but what Scripture says. So I don't believe your opinions.

FreeGrace2 · Sep 6, 2018

JLB777 said:
Which proves OSAS is a false doctrine.

If that was true, then Jesus lied. Pure and simple.

JLB777 · Sep 6, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Yes.

“Hear” means hear and do what is heard.

Jesus has make it clear who His family are:

Those who hear the word of God and do it.

Hear and obey = eternal life.

That’s the Gospel.

JLB

FreeGrace2 · Sep 7, 2018

JLB777 said:
Yes.
“Hear” means hear and do what is heard.
Jesus has make it clear who His family are:
Those who hear the word of God and do it.
Hear and obey = eternal life.
That’s the Gospel.
JLB

Then why don't you believe Jesus when He said recipients of eternal life shall never perish in John 10:28?

You continue to believe the opposite: that recipients of eternal life CAN perish.

So, why don't you believe Jesus?

JLB777 · Sep 7, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
Then why don't you believe Jesus when He said recipients of eternal life shall never perish in John 10:28?

You continue to believe the opposite: that recipients of eternal life CAN perish.

So, why don't you believe Jesus?

The recipients of eternal life will never perish.

They way eternal life is promised is by hearing and obeying His Voice.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28

In this life, now we have the Spirit of eternal life within us: The Spirit of Christ.

If we live our life according to the Spirit, then on the Day of Judgement we will receive eternal life, which includes the promises we will not die anymore.

those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore

But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-37

The promise of not dying anymore is to those who are worthy to attain that age.

Jesus says it this way in Gospel of John -

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Paul -

God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

You whole theology simply ignores the fact that all Christians will stand before our King to be Judged on that Day.

So lets start with a simple reasonable question.

Can you still die?

again

Have you stood before His throne and heard these words yet?

‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
Matthew 25:31-36

JLB

Dan the deacon · Sep 7, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
Are you referring to the present tense aspect of salvation?

On which part of my post are you asking?
I am saying that while you are on earth you are not completely saved. You may have entered salvation but it is not complete on earth.
What are we saved from? Is it not sin? Are you now one who does not sin? When you are it will be completed not before. I still ask forgiveness daily. If I were fully saved I would have no need to do so. Sin is still an issue as long as we wear sinful flesh.

FreeGrace2 · Sep 7, 2018

JLB777 said:
The recipients of eternal life will never perish.

For this reason, no saved person can ever end up in hell.

They way eternal life is promised is by hearing and obeying His Voice.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28

It is clear that you can't read straight. There is NOTHING in either verse that equals a promise of receiving eternal life on the basis of hearing/obeying. Unless you agree that hearing/obeying means to believe in Him. Then we're on the same page. But I know you believe that a saved person can perish, so you are in direct opposition to the Savior.

In this life, now we have the Spirit of eternal life within us: The Spirit of Christ.

We actually HAVE eternal life. The Bible says so. Which you keep refusing to accept.

John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 6:47 - Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.

12 John 5:13 - I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

But you continue to believe the LIE, that one who ceases to believe ceases to have eternal life. And all without any verse to back up your LIE.

So, I offer one more verse that shatters your obsession and abuse of the Greek present tense:

1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

These 4 verses prove that eternal life is given when one believes. So John 10:28 states that from WHEN one believes, they shall never perish.

Which you refuse to believe.

If we live our life according to the Spirit, then on the Day of Judgement we will receive eternal life, which includes the promises we will not die anymore.

Again, nothing more than an unbiblical opinion. No Scripture.

FreeGrace2 · Sep 7, 2018

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
Are you referring to the present tense aspect of salvation?

Dan the deacon said:
On which part of my post are you asking?

Here are the 3 tense aspects of "salvation":

1. past tense aspect: saved from the penalty of sin. Justification. John 5:24
2. present tense aspect: saved from the power of sin. Sanctification. Phil 2:12
3. future tense aspect: saved from the presence of sin. Glorification.

I am saying that while you are on earth you are not completely saved. You may have entered salvation but it is not complete on earth.
What are we saved from? Is it not sin? Are you now one who does not sin? When you are it will be completed not before. I still ask forgiveness daily. If I were fully saved I would have no need to do so. Sin is still an issue as long as we wear sinful flesh.

From your comment, it seems you are referring to #2, the present tense of salvation. So, with that, I agree. We are not ever fully delivered from the power of sin until we die and enter eternity. At which time we are fully saved from the presence of sin.

JLB777 · Sep 7, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
For this reason, no saved person can ever end up in hell.

Saved as in after you have been judged according to your deeds? Then Yes.

Saved by faith while still living on earth.

Then no.

Any doctrine that does not reconcile the Day of Judgement is incomplete.

Here is just one scripture that completely and thoroughly refutes your incomplete doctrine. There are many more.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

JLB

FreeGrace2 · Sep 7, 2018

JLB777 said:
Saved as in after you have been judged according to your deeds? Then Yes.

No. Saved as in WHEN one puts their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

Where do you get the unbiblical notion that salvation only comes after the Judgment Seat of Christ?

Again, you only have your own opinions, or the equally unbiblical opinions of others to share on this thread. But no Scripture at all.

Saved by faith while still living on earth.

No one is judged on their deeds "while still living on earth".

Then no.

Your unbiblical theology is a big no.

Any doctrine that does not reconcile the Day of Judgement is incomplete.

You don't even understand what it is for.

Here is just one scripture that completely and thoroughly refutes your incomplete doctrine. There are many more.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

But since you have proven an inability to grasp the meaning of "abiding in Him", how could you be expected to understand this verse at all?

JLB777 · Sep 8, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
No. Saved as in WHEN one puts their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

Where do you get the unbiblical notion that salvation only comes after the Judgment Seat of Christ?

From the Bible.

Now in this life we are saved by faith.

This means we have the hope of salvation.

As long as we continue in the faith we continue to have the substance of the salvation to come at the end of our faith.

receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:9

They way eternal life is promised is by hearing and obeying His Voice.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28

In this life, now we have the Spirit of eternal life within us: The Spirit of Christ.

If we live our life according to the Spirit, then on the Day of Judgement we will receive eternal life, which includes the promises we will not die anymore.

those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore

But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-37

The promise of not dying anymore is to those who are worthy to attain that age.

Jesus says it this way in Gospel of John -

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Paul -

God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

You whole theology simply ignores the fact that all Christians will stand before our King to be Judged on that Day.

So lets start with a simple reasonable question.

Can you still die?

again

Have you stood before His throne and heard these words yet?

‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
Matthew 25:31-36

JLB

FreeGrace2 · Sep 8, 2018

JLB777 said:
From the Bible.

You have shown repeatedly that you don't know the Bible.

Or believe it. Whatever.

Now in this life we are saved by faith.

This means we have the hope of salvation.

The Greek word for "hope" means CONFIDENT EXPECTATION. Not a wishful thought.

As long as we continue in the faith we continue to have the substance of the salvation to come at the end of our faith.

Show me the verse that you are abusing.

receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:9

The Greek word means completion, not "end of your life" as you have abused it.

The completion of one's faith is when they have placed their full trust in the work of Jesus Christ for their salvation. Which means nothing they've done.

They way eternal life is promised is by hearing and obeying His Voice.

Your opinion is lacking ANY verse that supports it.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28

And you don't seem to comprehend the DIFFERENCE between a description of Jesus' sheep, and the condition for never perishing, which is to be given eternal life.

And we know from John 5:24, 6:47, 1 John 5:11 and 13 that eternal life is given WHEN one believes. Which totally shatters your opinion.

In this life, now we have the Spirit of eternal life within us: The Spirit of Christ.

And the 4 verses above tell us that we actually HAVE (means to possess) eternal life.

If we live our life according to the Spirit, then on the Day of Judgement we will receive eternal life, which includes the promises we will not die anymore.

Please provide verses that support your opinions.

As it is, that's all you have; opinions. No Scripture.

those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore

Those who can't die anymore are those who have been given eternal life.
John 5:24, 6:47, 10:28, 1 John 5:11, 13, 1 Pet 1:23.

Chew on those verses for a while. Let them sink in.

But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-37

And what's your point, again?

The promise of not dying anymore is to those who are worthy to attain that age.

How does one become "worthy"? And don't give your opinion, but verses that tell us plainly.

Jesus says it this way in Gospel of John -

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

Sure. And here, "done good" refers OBVIOUSLY back to v.24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Jesus covered the past, the present and the future all in one verse, for those who have believed.

They:
1. HAVE eternal life. They possess it.
2. WILL NOT be condemned. Ever. NO chance of hell fire.
3. HAVE PASSED from spiritual death to eternal life. Again, NO chance of hell fire.

But you've been real clear that you don't believe what the Bible so plainly says.

God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8

And Paul went on to write that every human being is a sinner, so that knocks out any wishful thinking (hope as you seem to understand it) on your part for "doing good" and earning eternal life. Rom 3:9, 23 tells us that all are sinners and have missed the mark.

Rom 3:20 tells us that NO ONE will be justified (given eternal life) by keeping the Law, which would be understood as "doing good".

The ONLY Person who fulfilled Rom 2:6-8 is the Lord Jesus.

You whole theology simply ignores the fact that all Christians will stand before our King to be Judged on that Day.

This is a bold LIE. I've frequently acknowledged both the Judgment Seat of Christ in 2 Cor 5:10 and the Great White Throne judgment in Rev 20.

So lets start with a simple reasonable question.

That would be a first for you.

Can you still die?

I will die physically unless the rapture takes me first.

I cannot die spiritually, for I have been given eternal life by Jesus Christ and He said those He gives eternal life shall NEVER PERISH. John 10:28

Further, I have been born again of IMPERISHABLE SEED, per 1 Pet 1:23, so I cannot perish spiritually.

Have you stood before His throne and heard these words yet?

‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

No one has heard them yet. Included yourself. This question went off the rails again.

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
Matthew 25:31-36

So, I have a simple reasonable question for you.

Has Jesus "come into His glory" yet?

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