How will Damascus be obliterated?

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https://biblehub.com/isaiah/17-9.htm

Verse 9 states why the syrians flee .
When israel (saints)inherits the promised land,Damascus as well as the surrounding cities will be desolate.

Damascus lay within the boundaries of the kingdom.
 
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Can you give proof that this prophecy has been fulfilled? The prophecy of Isaiah is the Word of God. To say it was fulfilled long ago is denying God's word. We see Damascus as a city with the reputation of being the world's longest continuously inhabited city. Now either God's Word that says that Damascus shall no longer be a city is the truth, or Your assertion that it has already been fulfill is the truth. Both cannot be the truth.

Now to the charge of encouraging innocent bloodshed in the Middle East by "dredging up" old prophecies.Who are you to speak against the Word of God? The Word of God is written afore time for our learning. Furthermore your opinion of God's Word does not invalidate it.
Others have presented history about the fulfillment of this prophecy from reliable sources. I think many undermine Middle East Peace by misapplying already fulfilled prophecies to the future.
 
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Dave L said:
This prophecy was fulfilled a long time ago. We should not encourage innocent bloodshed in the Middle East dredging up old prophecies for crackpots to justify their actions with.
That is what I would think.......
shilohsfoal said:
https://biblehub.com/isaiah/17-9.htm
This is the prophecy.Now tell us,what year did the occupants of damascus and the cities thereabout flee and leave all tthose cities desolate because of israel?
Read the history posted above. Don't rely on only one source loaded by denominational bias.
dqhall said:
You should have checked the usual suspects, Assyria and Babylon:
Read world history apart from denominational bias.
Handmaid for Jesus said:
Can you give proof that this prophecy has been fulfilled? The prophecy of Isaiah is the Word of God. To say it was fulfilled long ago is denying God's word.
Others have presented history about the fulfillment of this prophecy from reliable sources. I think many undermine Middle East Peace by misapplying already fulfilled prophecies to the future.
You noticed that also?
One can surmize that Damascus will be leveled just as Jerusalem was in 70ad.
Fairly cut and dry if it is still future....

Luke 19:
41 As Jesus approached Jerusalem and saw the City, He wept over it 42 and said, “If only you had known on this day what would bring you peace! But now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 For the days will come upon you when your enemies will barricade you and surround you and hem you in on every side.
44 They will level you to the ground—you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.”

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/captivity-and-sword-luke-21-24-revelation-13-10.8073340/
Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10

Luke 21:24
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple, that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned
24 And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.
 
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Isaiah 17:1 Damascus will cease to be a city, she will be reduced to a heap of ruins forever desolate. Animals will live there, undisturbed.

Jeremiah 49:23-27 Of Damascus: The Syrians are covered in confusion, for they have heard news of a coming disaster, they run around in fear and trembling and panic grips them. No more joyful songs or celebrations are heard in her streets, because on that Day her young men will fall and soldiers will lie still in death. The Lord says; I will kindle a fire inside Damascus and it will devour her strongholds.

Amos 1:3-4 For crime after crime of Damascus, I will give them no reprieve because they oppressed My Land with malicious spite. Therefore I will send fire to consume her strongholds.

Zechariah 9:1-2 The Word of the Lord comes to the lands north of Israel and it will soon come upon Damascus. For to the Lord belongs all of that area and even though the cities of Lebanon have become rich, He will strip them of all their possessions and break their power. A devastating fire will devour them all.
Ref: REB. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.

All these prophecies tell of the soon to happen destruction of Damascus, Syria.

Note that in all cases, they go on to talk of other nations who are also affected by this fire judgement. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5
In particular Isaiah 17:4-6 says how Jacob, that is: the 10 tribes of Israel- now the Western nations and the 2 tribes of Judah now the current State of Israel, will lose their strength. It seems that most of the world’s military forces will be destroyed. Isaiah 34:2-3, Hosea 2:18, Micah 5:10-11

Although the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event to happen according to the sequence in Revelation, does not mention fire as the means of punishment, [there is nothing in Revelation 6:12-17 to say how it will be carried out] we can ascertain the details from parallel passages like: Isaiah 34:2-4, Isaiah 2:12-21, Joel 2:1-11, Malachi 4:1 and especially 2 Peter 3:7 & 10.

Notice in Jeremiah 49:23, how everyone knows what is coming. This can be explained by the 24 hour period between the initial flash of a Coronal Mass Ejection explosion of the suns surface and the arrival of the main mass of superheated plasma. Ezekiel 7:10-19

That it will be a single Day of destruction is confirmed by the use in every case of the Hebrew and Greek words for a 24 hour period and this fits how a CME will hit the earth and then continue on into outer space. Isaiah 63:4, Joel 1:15
Ref: logostelos.info
 
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Isaiah 17:1 Damascus will cease to be a city, she will be reduced to a heap of ruins forever desolate. Animals will live there, undisturbed.

Jeremiah 49:23-27 Of Damascus: The Syrians are covered in confusion, for they have heard news of a coming disaster, they run around in fear and trembling and panic grips them. No more joyful songs or celebrations are heard in her streets, because on that Day her young men will fall and soldiers will lie still in death. The Lord says; I will kindle a fire inside Damascus and it will devour her strongholds.

Amos 1:3-4 For crime after crime of Damascus, I will give them no reprieve because they oppressed My Land with malicious spite. Therefore I will send fire to consume her strongholds.

Zechariah 9:1-2 The Word of the Lord comes to the lands north of Israel and it will soon come upon Damascus. For to the Lord belongs all of that area and even though the cities of Lebanon have become rich, He will strip them of all their possessions and break their power. A devastating fire will devour them all.
Ref: REB. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.

All these prophecies tell of the soon to happen destruction of Damascus, Syria.

Note that in all cases, they go on to talk of other nations who are also affected by this fire judgement. Isaiah 66:16 In particular Isaiah 17:4-6 says how Jacob, that is: the 10 tribes of Israel- now the Western nations and the 2 tribes of Judah now the current State of Israel, will lose their strength. It seems that most of the world’s military forces will be destroyed. Isaiah 34:2-3, Hosea 2:18, Micah 5:10-11

Although the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event to happen according to the sequence in Revelation, does not mention fire as the means of punishment, [there is nothing in Revelation 6:12-17 to say how it will be carried out] we can ascertain the details from parallel passages like: Isaiah 34:2-4, Isaiah 2:12-21, Joel 2:1-11, Malachi 4:1 and especially 2 Peter 3:7 & 10.

Notice in Jeremiah 49:23, how everyone knows what is coming. This can be explained by the 24 hour period between the initial flash of a Coronal Mass Ejection explosion of the suns surface and the arrival of the main mass of superheated plasma. Ezekiel 7:10-19

That it will be a single Day of destruction is confirmed by the use in every case of the Hebrew and Greek words for a 24 hour period and this fits how a CME will hit the earth and then continue on into outer space. Isaiah 63:4, Joel 1:15
Ref: logostelos.info
Already happened long long ago.
 
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Although the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event to happen according to the sequence in Revelation, does not mention fire as the means of punishment, [there is nothing in Revelation 6:12-17 to say how it will be carried out] we can ascertain the details from parallel passages like: Isaiah 34:2-4, Isaiah 2:12-21, Joel 2:1-11, Malachi 4:1 and especially 2 Peter 3:7 & 10.

Notice in Jeremiah 49:23, how everyone knows what is coming. This can be explained by the 24 hour period between the initial flash of a Coronal Mass Ejection explosion of the suns surface and the arrival of the main mass of superheated plasma. Ezekiel 7:10-19

That it will be a single Day of destruction is confirmed by the use in every case of the Hebrew and Greek words for a 24 hour period and this fits how a CME will hit the earth and then continue on into outer space. Isaiah 63:4, Joel 1:15
Ref: logostelos.info

IMHO this is plausible.And I maintain a wait and see position about it. There is science supporting the possibility of a massive CME. There have been large CME'S and will be again.
Ecc. 1:9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.

 
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Already happened long long ago.
Just reading those prophesies, proves you wrong, Dave L.
Damascus will cease to be a city......its still there Dave!

Preterism leaves one without any future!
 
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This prophecy was fulfilled a long time ago. We should not encourage innocent bloodshed in the Middle East dredging up old prophecies for crackpots to justify their actions with.

What part of Isaiah 17:1 in conjunction with the context are you missing here?
Damascus is considered to be the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world.
While I'm quite sure that portions of Damascus have been damaged in various conflicts throughout history, the Scripture here is indicating that it will cease from being a city and that it will become a pile of ruins. This has never happened.

See also Jeremiah 49:27 , Amos 1:3-5 .

I don't see how this is encouraging innocent bloodshed. The fact of the matter is that when these prophecies are being fulfilled during the tribulation, its not going to be an event strictly limited to Damascus since other cities/nations are also judged. Nor is it something we can hasten to occur or prevent. God says it will happen, and it will happen at His appointed time instead of when someone(or group of someones) "thinks" its time.
 
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Already happened long long ago.

If the Lord say ,damascus shall cease to be a city,ans he does,then it shall cease to be a city.

As keras pointed out,its still there .
Your rejection if reality is a massive fail of biblical proportions
 
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Not if, but when, the confederation of Islamic nations and entities such as Hamas and Hezbollah, attack Israel in their desperate effort to overcome the humiliation of previous failed attempts to “wipe Israel off the map “- Then, the Lord will act against His enemies, Isaiah 42:14-15, in His terrible Day of vengeance and wrath against the nations. Hab. 3:12, Ezekiel 20:46-47, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Rev. 6:12-17

Here is an abridged quotation of Bible verses that reveals the fates of those “evil neighbours”. Jeremiah 12:14.

Note: this judgement includes Judah, the current State of Israel. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Amos 2:4-5

THE NATIONS
Psalms 83:1-18 Do not keep silent, O God, for your enemies have devised a plot against your people. Let us wipe them out as a nation, they say- Let Israel be remembered no more.......
Scatter those godless people; make them as dung on the ground. As a fire rages through a forest, may they perish in disgrace.

Zechariah 12:1-9 This is the word of the Lord concerning Israel. I am about to make Jerusalem an intoxicating cup that sends all the surrounding nations reeling. Judah will be involved. On that day, when all the nations of the earth are against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock. All who try to move her will be cut to pieces. The armies of those nations will be struck with blindness and madness. Judah will praise Me on that Day and their leaders will be strong, as a burning torch among the sheaves. All the nations right and left will be consumed, while Jerusalem remains safe. Isaiah 31:5, Psalms 125, Jeremiah 3:17-18

Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord. You will be like chaff and stubble. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns set ablaze. Matthew 3:12, Hebrews 10:27, Rev 6:12-17

Jeremiah 9:25-26 The Lord says, the time is coming when I will punish all who are circumcised only in the flesh. All those who live in the desert regions are uncircumcised in their hearts. Ezekiel 30:1-5

Ezekiel 28:26 When I execute judgement on all of Israel’s scornful neighbours, then My [faithful Christian] people will live in the Land, undisturbed. Amos 9:13-15

IRAN
Jeremiah 49:35-39 The Lord says, I shall break the bow of Elam, their chief weapon. I will bring disaster upon them, destroy their leaders and officials and scatter them around the earth.

Ezekiel 32:24 Elam is buried in Sheol, with all her people- victims of the sword. Those who spread terror in the land of the living, now bear disgrace with all those in the abyss.

PALESTINIANS
Ezekiel 25:15-17 The Lord says, because the Philistines have resorted to revenge with malice in their hearts and with ancient hostility, they seek to destroy Judah. I shall stretch out My hand against them and take mighty vengeance.

Amos 1:6-8 For crime after crime of Gaza, they will have no reprieve – I shall send fire until the last of the Philistines is dead.

Zephaniah 2:4-7 At midday Gaza will be left in ruins, I will destroy you. You will be left with no inhabitants.

LEBANON
Luke 10:14 Tyre and Sidon will be judged.

Amos 1:9-10 For the sins of Tyre, I will not hold back My wrath. They ignored the brotherly alliance; therefore, I shall send fire to consume their fortresses

Zechariah 9:3-5 The word of the Lord alights on Tyre and Sidon – I will take away your possessions and the cities will be destroyed by fire.

SYRIA
Amos 1:3-5 For crime after crime of Damascus, I will grant them no reprieve. I shall send fire on their fortresses.

Jeremiah 49:23-27 News comes of a disaster, confusion and anxiety reign, they try to escape, but all her soldiers die on that day.

Isaiah 17:1-14 Damascus will cease to be a city, forever desolate. Listen - it is the thunder of vast forces, at evening all is terror, before morning all is gone. Such is the fate of our adversaries.

ARABIA
This prophecy in Jeremiah mentions King Nebuchadrezzer of Babylon attacking Kedar and Hazor. This did happen during Jeremiah’s lifetime, but not to the full extent of this prophecy:

Jeremiah 49:28-33 Arise, attack Kedar and destroy the desert peoples of the East. Your possessions will be taken. A cry of terror will go up – flee quickly away and hide in remote places. Hazor will become a desolate place forever, totally uninhabited.

Isaiah 21:13-17 An oracle concerning Arabia. You, who live in Arabia and Tema, meet the fugitives with food and water, those who flee from the sword, from the heat of the battle. Then, within a year, all of Kedar’s glory will come to an end, only a few of her soldiers will be left. [This is interesting: “meet the fugitives”, may mean those escaping from Jordan, down the Desert Highway or the old Kings Highway.]

JORDAN
Ezekiel 25:1-11 Prophesy against the Ammonites – because you exulted over the Land of Israel with spiteful contempt, I shall give you up to be plundered by the nations. I will cut you off from other peoples and exterminate you from every country. Peoples from the East will camp on your land.

Jeremiah 49:1-8 Has Israel no heirs? Why, then do Milcoms people possess the towns of Gad? Therefore a time is coming when you will hear the battle cry. Ammon will become a desolate mound, all its towns burnt to ashes.

Ezekiel 21:28-32 A sword of slaughter will flash like lightning. The visions that you have are false, advising you to bring the sword against the unbelievers, but the time of their punishment will come later. In the land of your ancestry, I will judge you, I shall hand you over to brutal men. You will be fuel for the fire and be remembered no more.

Amos 1:13-15 For crime after crime of the Ammonites, I shall grant them no reprieve, because in their greed for land, they ripped open pregnant women in Gilead. Therefore, fire will destroy Rabbah- Ammon with a whirlwind on that day. Their King will go into exile and his officers with him.

EGYPT
Isaiah 19:1-10 The Lord comes riding swiftly on a cloud, He descends on Egypt and the hearts of the Egyptians melt within them. I will stir them up against each other. They will be confused, all their plans fail. Idols and spirit mediums are useless. I shall hand Egypt over to a hard master. The Nile will dry up. Fishing, agriculture and industry will all fail.

Isaiah 19:11-16 Egypt's leaders give senseless advice – the Lord has poured a spirit of confusion into them. The Egyptians will become weak and terror stricken.

Isaiah 19:17-20 Judah will bring terror to the Egyptians, even the mention of Israel will terrify them. In that day there will be 5 cities who speak the ancient language and who worship the Lord. [Coptic Christians?] Also, on that day there will be an altar and a monument to the Lord, as a witness when they cry out to Him, and He will send a deliverer to rescue them. Egypt will acknowledge and worship the Lord, He will respond to them and heal them.

Ezekiel 29:8 The Lord God says, I am bringing a sword against you. Egypt will become a desolate wasteland. For 40 years the people will be scattered among the nations. Then regathered to upper Egypt.

Ezekiel chapter 30 Alas for the day, a sword will come on Egypt, by the hand of foreigners, I shall lay waste to the land of Egypt.

Ezekiel chapter 31 The pride of Pharaoh, the leader of Egypt, is cut down.

Ezekiel chapter 32 Many peoples will be appalled at the fate of Egypt, the cattle destroyed, the land laid waste and empty.

Modern place names from Strongs Concordance;
Elam= Persia. Now Iran.
Philistines = Palestinians.
Tyre and Sidon = Cities in Lebanon.
Damascus = Capital of Syria.
Rabbah-Ammon=
Amman, capital of Jordan.
Gilead = The area of North Western Jordan.
Gad = the Israelite tribe given the Gilead area.
Milcom= the high God of the Ammonites.
Kedar & Tema= Sons of Ishmael, ancestors of the Arabs.
Hazor = the area of Eastern Arabia, including Mecca and Medina.

There are other prophecies which give the fates of Edom, Moab, Assyria, etc. As the modern identity of these peoples is uncertain, I have not included them.
 
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The prophecies all refer to a time when Israel was God's people. The Zionist imposters are neither Hebrews genetically nor do they serve or even believe in God. The have reduced Christians in the land to 2nd class citizens and persecute Torah believing Jews.
How much evidence does one need to remove the scales of deception. This is the work of the Antichrist and all these quoted biblical references are entirely disassociated from this antichrist enclave now called Israel.

Israel was the 10 disobedient tribes.. they went into captivity and can never possibly return. This is lunacy... even for gullible Christians
 
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I don't get a chance to travel much as i rather spend these last finals days in preparation for our Lord's return. He commanded us to stay alert and always be watchful because you know not the day and hour your Lord comes, so I spend more time at home.

I enjoy watching travel guide videos, it's the closest thing for me to being there. And I believe this prophecy will soon come to fruition.



 
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The prophecies all refer to a time when Israel was God's people. The Zionist imposters are neither Hebrews genetically nor do they serve or even believe in God. The have reduced Christians in the land to 2nd class citizens and persecute Torah believing Jews.
How much evidence does one need to remove the scales of deception. This is the work of the Antichrist and all these quoted biblical references are entirely disassociated from this antichrist enclave now called Israel.

Israel was the 10 disobedient tribes.. they went into captivity and can never possibly return. This is lunacy... even for gullible Christians
The people of God since Jesus Ascended, are every born again Christian person, Jew and Gentile; faith is the criteria. Galatians 6:14-16

The current citizens of Israel face judgement, as I show in #35 and only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27

The 10 'lost tribes', the House of Israel is lost to our knowledge, but God knows who and where they are. Amos 9:9 They will be gathered and brought back to the holy Land, but only the faithful ones will enter it. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26
 
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Amos 9:9 They will be gathered and brought back to the holy Land, but only the faithful ones will enter it. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26

The only promised land that exists is the Body of Christ... God within us. There is no restoration to the Old, to that which has been replaced. That is a modern day Zionist corruption of doctrine. My advice; repent and renounce the deception.
 
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