My Husband Had an Occult Book Delivered to Our House

TwoBraids · Sep 6, 2018

Hello Again,

For those of you who replied to my last thread about my concerns of my husband's interest in the occult, thank you very much. I apologize for taking so long to return, and if I offended anybody with my concerns about freemasonry, that wasn't my intention. I am not sure whether freemasonry has anything to do with the occult at all (it appears that's quite a contentious issue on this forum), but since my husband's obvious interest in the occult became apparent around the same time that his interest in Freemasonry did, I figured they could be linked and that's why I included the information about him being a freemason.

My husband and I had a few chats shortly after I posted that and he assured me that he still is a Christian and still believes that the Bible is God's word. He told me that he is just interested in "physics" and how electricity works, and things of that nature. It really put my mind at ease. He has been reading a lot about physics, lately, which doesn't bother me at all.

This afternoon, however, a package arrived via UPS. I had recently ordered a Disney DVD for my daughter, and assuming it had arrived, I opened the package only to discover a book by "Dodo Press" entitled: "Occult Chemistry: Clairvoyant Observations on the Chemical Elements." I know it's not a mistake, as the packing slip has my husband's name on it. It has a large circular symbol printed on the cover. The title of the book is what's really concerning me. When I look in it, it looks mostly like a Chemistry text, talking about atomic weights, elements, behavior of different atoms, and things of that nature, which I remember being part of my high school chemistry class. Why would a Chemistry textbook have the words "Occult" and "Clairvoyant" in the title, though? On the back, it lists the author's other works and one of them was about reincarnation!! I'm just really concerned.

Can you guys please help? How serious is this? Is this just like Alchemy, like pseudoscience, or is my husband making deals with Satan?

akaDaScribe · Sep 6, 2018

TwoBraids said:
Hello Again,

For those of you who replied to my last thread about my concerns of my husband's interest in the occult, thank you very much. I apologize for taking so long to return, and if I offended anybody with my concerns about freemasonry, that wasn't my intention. I am not sure whether freemasonry has anything to do with the occult at all (it appears that's quite a contentious issue on this forum), but since my husband's obvious interest in the occult became apparent around the same time that his interest in Freemasonry did, I figured they could be linked and that's why I included the information about him being a freemason.

My husband and I had a few chats shortly after I posted that and he assured me that he still is a Christian and still believes that the Bible is God's word. He told me that he is just interested in "physics" and how electricity works, and things of that nature. It really put my mind at ease. He has been reading a lot about physics, lately, which doesn't bother me at all.

This afternoon, however, a package arrived via UPS. I had recently ordered a Disney DVD for my daughter, and assuming it had arrived, I opened the package only to discover a book by "Dodo Press" entitled: "Occult Chemistry: Clairvoyant Observations on the Chemical Elements." I know it's not a mistake, as the packing slip has my husband's name on it. It has a large circular symbol printed on the cover. The title of the book is what's really concerning me. When I look in it, it looks mostly like a Chemistry text, talking about atomic weights, elements, behavior of different atoms, and things of that nature, which I remember being part of my high school chemistry class. Why would a Chemistry textbook have the words "Occult" and "Clairvoyant" in the title, though? On the back, it lists the author's other works and one of them was about reincarnation!! I'm just really concerned.

Can you guys please help? How serious is this? Is this just like Alchemy, like pseudoscience, or is my husband making deals with Satan?

My advice would be to ask your husband what he is looking for. If you go emotional and frantic, he won't tell you anything. However, if you let him talk and express what he is thinking, you will have a better idea where his head is at. Once you know that, if you tell us, we may be able to give you more pointed advice.

It sounds to me like he wants to access power and he doesn't feel like Christianity can feed that hunger. He's wrong if that's what he thinks (don't bother telling him that yet), but lets see if that's what it is.

Uncle Mikey · Sep 6, 2018

TwoBraids said:
"Occult Chemistry: Clairvoyant Observations on the Chemical Elements."

Here is the book for those interested...

https://archive.org/details/occultchemistryc00besa

TwoBraids said:
Is this just like Alchemy, like pseudoscience, or is my husband making deals with Satan?

It's definitely pseudoscience with a touch of Alchemy.

From Wikipedia...

"Critics regard the book to be an example of pseudoscience. According to Philip Ball, most scientists did not take the book seriously."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult_Chemistry

As for 'Deals with Satan', that would be premature of us to assume without knowing more.

Like akaDaScribe said, you are going to have to try and get to the root of what your Husband is up to by asking him.

Not an easy task as it may be something very private.

Uncle Mikey · Sep 6, 2018

TwoBraids said:
...I included the information about him being a freemason.

Ouch.

I missed that part.

I've spent years researching Freemasonry and the Occult.

I'll have to go back and read your other post, but I'm sure what I'm about to say to you isn't news...

Freemasonry is one hundred percent incompatible with Christianity... PERIOD.

He needs to quit the Lodge ASAP.

Unfortunately, your Husband needs to make that decision on His own.

Prayers sent.

:prayer:

Albion · Sep 6, 2018

Uncle Mikey said:
Ouch.

I missed that part.

I've spent years researching Freemasonry and the Occult.

I'll have to go back and read your other post, but I'm sure what I'm about to say to you isn't news...

Freemasonry is one hundred percent incompatible with Christianity... PERIOD.

Our friend has a serious problem that deserves better-informed advice than this.

Uncle Mikey · Sep 6, 2018

I was actually going to ask you if your Husband had joined a Secret Society recently because that's the type of literature Initiates study.

TwoBraids · Sep 6, 2018

Well, my husband got home from work when I was out. When I came home, I didn't need to ask him about the book because he excitedly told me "My book came!" We discussed it. AT first, he said that he went to Barnes and Noble and asked them for a book with the Periodic Table in it, and that's the only one they could find and he had them order it. I found that a little hard to swallow.

After I pressed him a little bit about the occult, and asked him why he needed to dabble in the occult to understand physics and chemistry, he very excitedly explained that he thinks that the occult "is everything" and that "all technology" is based on the symbols of the occult, including some old electric motor he got at a yard sale and ripped open. He tried to show me how the wires make the symbol of one of the occult symbols inside the motor and that's why it works. He also showed me these ancient Hebrew codexes on his phone with ancient symbols in them, that he said that batteries are based off of those symbols, and that the ancient Jews, long before Christ, knew about electricity, and that they "worshiped" it. He thinks that all ancient cultures worshiped electricity and "energy." So yeah, he pretty much said that he thinks God is energy. He also said that he wants to understand energy. So he wants to figure God out and understand Him?

I just calmly told him that the occult is evil and that the society that is responsible for the book is highly influenced by Hinduisim and that while I know that none of those things that will hurt me because I have the Holy Spirit and am saved, that I still don't want that example set by my daughter. He doesn't really care. He is very excited about about all of the things he is "learning" and only wants to show me and explain to me about that motor he ripped open. When I told him that scientists consider that book as pseudoscience, he laughed and said that they thought a lot of other things were pseudoscience when they first came out too.

If he weren't my husband and if he weren't serious, it would actually be hilarious. However, it's very far from hilarious. This is the man I'm married to, this is my spiritual head. I feel like a crappy Christian who is so unprepared to deal with this. I tried to show him in Acts where they all came to God and burned all of their books about magic and turned from those ways, but he had no interest. He is way too sure of himself that he's right and on the right bath to finding the truth, or power, or enlightenment, or whatever it is. I'm not sure. He just says he wants to "understand," but that's all he will say to describe it. He's far more interested in explaining all of the weird, nonsensical details to me than in telling me why he feels the need to seek all of this stuff out.

Albion · Sep 6, 2018

TwoBraids said:
He is way too sure of himself that he's right and on the right bath to finding the truth, or power, or enlightenment, or whatever it is. I'm not sure. He just says he wants to "understand," but that's all he will say to describe it. He's far more interested in explaining all of the weird, nonsensical details to me than in telling me why he feels the need to seek all of this stuff out.

Well, he obviously thinks there is truth in some of this stuff, just like the people who think they are experts in debunking it. They are two sides of the same coin, fascinated and titillated by the same mysterious nonsense.

Getting hubby to change his mind is probably going to be very difficult, especially because you have not read what he has, therefore he thinks he is knowledgeable about something you are not. Nevertheless, you are right not to think you can live with the situation.

I am inclined to think that you cannot dissuade him by citing Bible passages or by telling him that his interest in the occult offends or worries you. However, counselling that would cause him to confront the fact that his past-time is threatening his marriage which is, after all, a shared experience, might be more worthwhile.

Uncle Mikey · Sep 6, 2018

Wow.

Damage Control just arrived.

That was fast.

There's not much more I can say without derailing this Thread.

Your Husband is on a very long and very PERSONAL journey TwoBraids.

Only God can help him now.

Your issue is not with the Books he reads, but the Oaths he swore to.

Wolves are everywhere.

TRUST NO ONE.

Uncle Mikey out.

akaDaScribe · Sep 7, 2018

TwoBraids said:
Well, my husband got home from work when I was out. When I came home, I didn't need to ask him about the book because he excitedly told me "My book came!" We discussed it. AT first, he said that he went to Barnes and Noble and asked them for a book with the Periodic Table in it, and that's the only one they could find and he had them order it. I found that a little hard to swallow.

After I pressed him a little bit about the occult, and asked him why he needed to dabble in the occult to understand physics and chemistry, he very excitedly explained that he thinks that the occult "is everything" and that "all technology" is based on the symbols of the occult, including some old electric motor he got at a yard sale and ripped open. He tried to show me how the wires make the symbol of one of the occult symbols inside the motor and that's why it works. He also showed me these ancient Hebrew codexes on his phone with ancient symbols in them, that he said that batteries are based off of those symbols, and that the ancient Jews, long before Christ, knew about electricity, and that they "worshiped" it. He thinks that all ancient cultures worshiped electricity and "energy." So yeah, he pretty much said that he thinks God is energy. He also said that he wants to understand energy. So he wants to figure God out and understand Him?

I just calmly told him that the occult is evil and that the society that is responsible for the book is highly influenced by Hinduisim and that while I know that none of those things that will hurt me because I have the Holy Spirit and am saved, that I still don't want that example set by my daughter. He doesn't really care. He is very excited about about all of the things he is "learning" and only wants to show me and explain to me about that motor he ripped open. When I told him that scientists consider that book as pseudoscience, he laughed and said that they thought a lot of other things were pseudoscience when they first came out too.

If he weren't my husband and if he weren't serious, it would actually be hilarious. However, it's very far from hilarious. This is the man I'm married to, this is my spiritual head. I feel like a crappy Christian who is so unprepared to deal with this. I tried to show him in Acts where they all came to God and burned all of their books about magic and turned from those ways, but he had no interest. He is way too sure of himself that he's right and on the right bath to finding the truth, or power, or enlightenment, or whatever it is. I'm not sure. He just says he wants to "understand," but that's all he will say to describe it. He's far more interested in explaining all of the weird, nonsensical details to me than in telling me why he feels the need to seek all of this stuff out.

I had an uncle who was heavily involved in such things. I'm not sure what happened because he was always a bit secretive, but he was disavowed for some reason. One time he told me that the key to everything was electricity.

There was a time when I was much closer to God and hopefully I'm on my way back now, but I still remember what it was like. During that time I was in a bookstore and I saw a book for Kabbalah. He told me to stay away from it. I asked if it was untrue. He responded that it was the real deal, but it was a snare and a distraction.

The truth is that there are different kinds of power. We can know how to access power by knowing how things work. Things like a gun. We can condition ourselves to be able to access the power contained in our bodies and manipulate it or direct it. There is power in calling on things for assistance. Then, there is the power of God. All forms of power come at a price. And as Christians, we understand that we are declaring Jesus to be our master and the father to be our only God. The very way we live our lives in accordance to what Jesus has explained is the price.

At the core of it it all, it comes down to a very simple cliche that has been around a very long time:

It's not what you know, it's who you know.

The folly of many is that they ask God questions and then look everywhere for answers, instead of letting him answer the questions. I remember Him saying something to the affect: How is it that you ask me questions about me and then you go to others looking for answers?

It is not that there are no elements of truth to what your husband is investigating. It is that he has taken a wrong turn in the maze that does not end up in the way of life and he needs to get back on the path.

A couple of suggestions:

1. Begin to seek God directly with the same or greater intensity than that of your husband in his quest. Nothing else remotely resembles the power of truly walking with God. This will equip you and may even wake him up.

2. See if you can find other Christians who are not rattled by such things as he is in to dialogue with him. Look to God for timing even if you find such people.

3. Continuously ask God to release him from this mindset and obligation so that he can be a blessing and ambassador to others who wind up in the same trap.

4. Don't allow him to put anything foreign in your house. Things like marks on the walls, idols, etc.

If you want, keep me posted on how it is going. I will try to pray for you regularly as well.

FireDragon76 · Sep 7, 2018

I think this is a bit of an overreaction. He's got some kooky ideas but the best thing to do is not to panic. Maybe he's just potentially interested in electronics.

akaDaScribe · Sep 7, 2018

FireDragon76 said:
I think this is a bit of an overreaction. He's got some kooky ideas but the best thing to do is not to panic. Maybe he's just potentially interested in electronics.

I think you need to read her posts more carefully if that is your perception.

Tolworth John · Sep 7, 2018

TwoBraids said:
he assured me that he still is a Christian and still believes that the Bible is God's word.

May I suggest that youread up on apologetics and having done so ask your husband what is it that makes him a Christian?

Christianity is more than a relationship with Jesus, it is also a lifestyle and one aspect of that lifestyle is the rejection/avoidance of things that are anti God.

You have to learn enough about what he is 'into' so as to be able to point out the falicies in it.

May I suggeststarting family worship, that the bible is read, a commentry ( daily bread etc ) on the passage is read and that everybody prays.

He believes that he sees power in these ocult books/practises and that he can access/use it.
Unfortunetly he is blind to the reality of that power and its nature.

Pray for him and that your conversatiuons, family prayers and regular attendance at church will change him.

TwoBraids · Sep 7, 2018

akaDaScribe said:
I had an uncle who was heavily involved in such things. I'm not sure what happened because he was always a bit secretive, but he was disavowed for some reason. One time he told me that the key to everything was electricity.

There was a time when I was much closer to God and hopefully I'm on my way back now, but I still remember what it was like. During that time I was in a bookstore and I saw a book for Kabbalah. He told me to stay away from it. I asked if it was untrue. He responded that it was the real deal, but it was a snare and a distraction.

The truth is that there are different kinds of power. We can know how to access power by knowing how things work. Things like a gun. We can condition ourselves to be able to access the power contained in our bodies and manipulate it or direct it. There is power in calling on things for assistance. Then, there is the power of God. All forms of power come at a price. And as Christians, we understand that we are declaring Jesus to be our master and the father to be our only God. The very way we live our lives in accordance to what Jesus has explained is the price.

At the core of it it all, it comes down to a very simple cliche that has been around a very long time:

It's not what you know, it's who you know.

The folly of many is that they ask God questions and then look everywhere for answers, instead of letting him answer the questions. I remember Him saying something to the affect: How is it that you ask me questions about me and then you go to others looking for answers?

It is not that there are no elements of truth to what your husband is investigating. It is that he has taken a wrong turn in the maze that does not end up in the way of life and he needs to get back on the path.

A couple of suggestions:

1. Begin to seek God directly with the same or greater intensity than that of your husband in his quest. Nothing else remotely resembles the power of truly walking with God. This will equip you and may even wake him up.

2. See if you can find other Christians who are not rattled by such things as he is in to dialogue with him. Look to God for timing even if you find such people.

3. Continuously ask God to release him from this mindset and obligation so that he can be a blessing and ambassador to others who wind up in the same trap.

4. Don't allow him to put anything foreign in your house. Things like marks on the walls, idols, etc.

If you want, keep me posted on how it is going. I will try to pray for you regularly as well.

Thank you very much. This is really great advice, and I plan to follow it.

While I have been going to church and Bible study, in many ways I feel like I'm backslidden. I honestly don't meditate on the things of the Lord other than when I'm at church, and most of the time, I forget about it within an hour of leaving church and start thinking about other things like lunch, housework, etc. When I do try to have a devotion on my own, I often end up distracted or falling asleep. I remember that there was a time where I was so close to God, I would be praying several times a day and reading the Bible and listening to it on CDs in my car whenever I went anywhere. We were living in Mexico at the time and our life was very hard, yet I was the closest I'd ever been to God at that time. My husband was fervently studying the Bible also, and was constantly excitedly showing me new things he'd found in the Bible. I'm going to seek to get back to that place.

I know my first focus is myself and MY relationship with God, and I need to strengthen that first. Hopefully that way I can be a good silent witness to my husband. Thank you again to everyone for all your advice.

DZoolander · Sep 7, 2018

TBH - your husband just sounds kind of dense to me. In your previous post I actually jokingly said he sounded like a moron - but then rephrased it because it seemed insensitive. But yeah, he sounds kinda like a moron...lol

But a moron and a closet satanist aren't the same thing.

Hazelelponi · Sep 7, 2018

This all depends upon your husband's interest in this book, and topics as a whole.

If he is interested for some reason in deviant psychology then it's a completely different story than if he is interested in theosophy and other related topics.

Either way, he's an adult and I don't see how doing anything but praying for him is in any way helpful to your marriage..

It is banned book week, perhaps this was on the list..

akaDaScribe · Sep 7, 2018

TwoBraids said:
Thank you very much. This is really great advice, and I plan to follow it.

While I have been going to church and Bible study, in many ways I feel like I'm backslidden. I honestly don't meditate on the things of the Lord other than when I'm at church, and most of the time, I forget about it within an hour of leaving church and start thinking about other things like lunch, housework, etc. When I do try to have a devotion on my own, I often end up distracted or falling asleep. I remember that there was a time where I was so close to God, I would be praying several times a day and reading the Bible and listening to it on CDs in my car whenever I went anywhere. We were living in Mexico at the time and our life was very hard, yet I was the closest I'd ever been to God at that time. My husband was fervently studying the Bible also, and was constantly excitedly showing me new things he'd found in the Bible. I'm going to seek to get back to that place.

I know my first focus is myself and MY relationship with God, and I need to strengthen that first. Hopefully that way I can be a good silent witness to my husband. Thank you again to everyone for all your advice.

Yes, it's time to get back where you were so you can go even higher. Sometimes God motivates us in the strangest ways... more like scariest

Albion · Sep 7, 2018

DZoolander said:
TBH - your husband just sounds kind of dense to me. In your previous post I actually jokingly said he sounded like a moron - but then rephrased it because it seemed insensitive. But yeah, he sounds kinda like a moron...lol

But a moron and a closet satanist aren't the same thing.

Yes, and that is the point I was trying to get at in a slightly less specific way. He wont respond to gentle suggestions about his fascination with the occult being contrary to Scripture or at cross purposes to the Christian faith, etc. None of that. What he should be made to know, however, is that this is not simply something of little consequence. Just as would be the case if the husband were a devotee of inappropriate content, that is not something that's neutral as far as his marriage is concerned.

What his wife feels about his hobby does matter, and it is this that needs to be brought home to him quite apart from whether electricity came from frogs who traveled here from Mars or whatever the speculation might be.

TwoBraids · Sep 21, 2018

DZoolander said:
TBH - your husband just sounds kind of dense to me.

Well, he's not going to be joining Mensa anytime soon. That said, he's probably got an average IQ for a man of his age and background.

Tonight I got some closure. I hate the word closure, but it's all I know to describe it. I was finally able to calmly conclude to myself, after yet another conversation about spiritual matters with him, that my husband does not share my Christian beliefs. I don't know why it took me so long to allow myself to accept that. This started over five years ago. I think that I just didn't want to admit it to myself, because I wanted to continue to pretend that we were still united as one in Christ.

My husband has developed his own custom belief system, about which he is very passionate. He believes that freemasonry will eventually confirm his beliefs as correct, but by his own admission, it has not up to this point. Freemasonry is vague enough in it's rituals to allow him to continue to believe that the weird made-up nonsense he has in his head is right, and that freemasonry is seeking the exact same thing he is seeking, which is the powerful word/knowledge/electricity key to the universe. It's one of those things that would be hilarious if it were some other random nutcase......... but to know that the man I have become one with and whose child I gave birth to actually is thinking in this way is extremely tough for me to swallow. I suppose God is meaning to teach me a whole lot through all of this.

Rather than burying my head in the sand this whole time and pretending we were on the same page, telling myself I married an intelligent man who could never go so nuts, I should have been acting as a prayer warrior and working on my own faith and walk. Only the Lord can save my husband, it's out of my hands........... and it always has been. All I can do is pray for him fervently study and grow myself in the Lord.

Deidre32 · Sep 21, 2018

Why are you concerned? For you or for him? For your marriage or for him?

I left the faith about five years ago and wandered around learning about different faiths. And the Holy Spirit led me back and I’m grateful for the experience because my faith is stronger. I ask why you are concerned because I think often when a partner explores something new outside of the faith, the tendency to feel betrayed as a spouse, is real. But this is about his faith, and while you can help him, he is an adult and will have to find his way. But he might simply be curious and not much else to it.

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