IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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Hello Steve, great question

Not at all. God's WORD teaches that in times of ignorance we are not held accountable until God gives us a knowledge of the truth and we choose to reject his Word.

ACTS 17:30-31 [30], And the times of this ignorance God overlooked; but now [When a knowledge of the truth is come] commands all men everywhere to repent: [31], Because he has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; and of this he has given assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

JAMES 4:17 [17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

God has his people in all churches living up to all the knowledge he has given them. The time is come and now is however that God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions that brake the commandments of God (Revelation 14:6-12).

JOHN 10:16 [16], And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

JOHN 4:24[24], God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God is calling his people out from following the teachings of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God) :wave:
Nope?

I quoted post #13 above. What say you?
 
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Where does the law say that doing good works on the Sabbath (that would otherwise be a violation) is lawful? It seems that you are confusing the law and the law of Christ.

Jesus is the one why says it...

MATTHEW 12:12 [12],How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the sabbath days.
 
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Nope?
I quoted post #13 above. What say you?

Here, read what I said again slowly see if you can see the difference...

"Nope, there is a difference between being an "UNBELIEVER" who does not know God and someone who is a believer growing in grace as a babe in Christ that does not know everything that God requires of them through his WORD".

Did you pick it this time?
 
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Where does the law say that doing good works on the Sabbath (that would otherwise be a violation) is lawful? It seems that you are confusing the law and the law of Christ.

You are separating them. It is not unlawful to do good works on Shabbat :) Mark 3:4
 
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Dear Love Gods Word:

Grace, peace, and love to you from the Lord Jesus Christ.

I will offer one last appeal to reason with you with God's Word.
If you don't get it after my post here, I am not going to endlessly argue with you back and forth (out of respect to my desire to obey the command in Titus 3:9).

You said:
Why would you think that every commandment needs to be repeated word for word as it is written in the OLD TESTAMENT for it to be accepted in the NEW TESTAMENT when everyone in the NEW TESTAMENT was keeping, teaching and obeying all the 10 Commandments and they were already given by God 4000 earlier?

Why would I think most of God's commands need to be clearly spelled out for us in the New Covenant for us to obey God? Well, because we are under a New Covenant and not the Old Covenant.

The commands are different between the two covenants.
Paul even said that if a believer seeks to be circumcised, Christ shall profit them nothing (Galatians 5:2). This lets us know that the Old is no longer the covenant we look to (primarily) to obey God.

You said:
Why would Jesus teach how to keep the SABBATH and PAUL warn against those not entering God's Sabbath rest who do not believe God's WORD and why would Jesus and all the Apostles who are our example keep God's 4th Commandment even after the death of Jesus if we are no longer to keep it?

Jesus taught another about how a person needs to first reconcile with their brother before they offer an animal sacrifice unto God (Matthew 5:24), it does not mean we still offer animal sacrifices in the New Covenant. For the laws on animal sacrifices and the priesthood ended when the temple veil was torn from top to bottom at Christ's death.

You said:
Where is the scripture in the NEW TESTAMENT that says God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Woops there is no scripture.

Jesus nailed to the cross those ordinances that were against us (Including he Sabbath).

14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
(Colossians 2:14-17).

So I am not going to let you judge me in respect to the Sabbath day(s). For Christ blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that were against us. How was the Sabbath against us? If you lived during the time of the Old Covenant and disobeyed the weekly Sabbath, you could be physically killed by other believers. For a man who collected sticks on the Sabbath was killed.

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Not looking good for some come judgment day when we are told that if we KNOWLINGLY break any of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in sin *JAMES 2:8-11

It's kind of ironic. You think James 2:8-11 is in reference to the Old Law. You are using James 2:8-11 to argue your position to keep a ceremonial law that is no longer binding anymore. Eternal Security Proponents or Antinomians agree with you that James 2:8-11 is talking about the Old Law or all Law in general. However, in reality: James 2:8-11 is actually talking about New Covenant Law (and not Old Covenant). We know this based on the context.

The chapter starts out with James telling us about how we are not to have respect of persons in giving favor to the rich brethren over the poor brethren. James is saying that if we were to do that, it would be denying the Royal Law of loving your neighbor (Which is the 2nd greatest commandment). This is in line with what the New Covenant focuses heavily upon (unlike the Old Covenant).... which is to love your neighbor (Note: For while the OT does mention that we should love our neighbor, too; It is not the same exact way of loving your neighbor according to the New Covenant; For we are told to love our enemies, etc.). James says in verse 12,

"So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."
(James 2:12).

The law of liberty is not the Old Covenant Law but it is the New Covenant Law.

Galatians 4:21-31 talks about how the Old Law is bondage.
For we are delivered from the Law (Old Law) to serve in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter (the Old Law) (See Romans 7:6).

You said:
HEBREWS 4:9-11 [9] So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11], Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

I want you to do me a favor. Try asking the Father in Jesus name for the Holy Spirit in understanding on Hebrews 4. Then after you prayed, try to read all of Hebrews 4 with no Sabbath day agenda in mind. Just let the text speak to you with the help of the Holy Spirit. Let the whole of Hebrews 4 speak to you and do not just try to pluck verses out of context to prove your belief on wanting to keep the Sabbath. All the words in Hebrews 4 are interconnected and breath as a whole. I believe if you were to honestly do that now, you will not see Hebrews 4 as talking about the Sabbath day. Let me show you what the text actually says.

I have provided my commentary to the text below by adding words in blue within brackets.

1 "Let us therefore fear [fear God], lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest [the rest through accepting Christ as Savior or by a believer coming back to Jesus through seeking His forgiveness of their sins], any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached [The good news of salvation through Jesus], as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them [Israel, and or the Pharisees], not being mixed with faith in them that heard it [Meaning: It did them no good, because when they heard it, they did not accept it with faith - GNT].
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest [the rest we have in accepting Jesus as our Savior, seeking His forgiveness, and in the guidance of the Spirit], as he [the Lord] said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they [Israel] shall enter into my rest [Salvation through Jesus]: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world [i.e. the works, meaning the works that Christ did on our behalf; Such as: Jesus living a holy life, taking on our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane, His being whipped, beaten, and crucified upon the cross (including the rest He provides by these works) that was finished from the foundation of the world. For Revelation 13:8 says: "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."].
4 For he [the Lord] spake in a certain place [in a passage in Scripture, i.e. Psalms 95] of the seventh day [the Saturday Sabbath] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works [God rested or ceased from his work on the 7th day after working for 6 days, i.e. the creation week].
5 And in this place again [in Psalms 95 again: The Lord says...], If they shall enter into my rest [The word "if" here in Hebrews 4:5 seems like a contradiction in the KJV because Psalms 95 says, "Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest." (Psalms 95:11); However, it is not a contradiction because Hebrews 4:5 was not meant to be a direct reference to Psalms 95:11 in their entering the physical Promised Land, but it was a reference to their entrance into the spiritual promised land by seeking the Rock of their salvation for forgiveness (See Psalms 95:1, Psalms 95:6-8). In Psalms 95, certain Israelites did not enter the physical Promised Land and thus it is true that they did not enter the Promised Land (Canaan). But the anti-type of the physical Promised Land in this chapter is the spiritual Promise Land, who is a person named Jesus Christ who is the Rock of our salvation. For Psalms 95:7 says, "Today IF you will hear his voice,"; Thus, this is where the word "if" comes from in Hebrews 4:5.].
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they [the Israelites] to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief [The Jews did not accept Jesus their Messiah because of their unbelief]:
7 Again, he [the Lord] limiteth a certain day [the day of salvation], saying in David [by using David to write Psalms 95 to say...], To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts [Meaning, if we all will not harden our hearts to our sin and we hear His voice so as to repent, we will receive the day of salvation by the Lord].
8 For if Jesus had given them rest [Important Note: Joshua encountered a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ in Joshua 5:13-15. Jesus gave Joshua the battle plan (Joshua 6:2-5), and Jesus walked in-between the middle of the march around Jericho before the walls of Jericho fell down (Joshua 6:8). This was all a part of gaining victory so as to enter the Promised Land. In other words, Hebrews 4:8 is saying that if Jesus (at the battle of Jericho along with Joshua) had given his fellow Hebrews rest by conquering Jericho so as to inherit the Promised Land], then would he [the Lord] not afterward have spoken of another day ["the Day of Salvation" in accepting or seeking Christ's forgiveness after Christ's gospel went out to Israel and then later to the Gentiles - See 2 Corinthians 6:2].
9 There remaineth therefore a rest [a day of salvation] to the people of God [Both Israelites and Gentiles who believe in Jesus].
10 For he [any person] that is entered into his rest [by seeking forgiveness of one's sins with Jesus], he [this person who enters this rest] also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his [Meaning: A person is initially and ultimately forgiven or saved by God's grace and they cease from trying to save themselves by "Works Alone Salvationism"; For the problem with the Pharisees is that they did not trust in the grace of God and they turned salvation into a form of "Works Alone Salvationism" (even though they broke the weightier matters of God's laws - See Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42). Granted, this does not mean works do not play a part in our salvation after we are saved by God's grace (2 Thessalonians 2:13); Hebrews 4:10 is merely saying that we are not saved by "Works Alone" in the fact that we can cease from our own works by trusting in Jesus our Savior for salvation and by seeking His forgiveness - See Romans 10:13, 1 John 1:9].
11 Let us labour [Call out unto God] therefore to enter into that rest [To trust in Jesus for salvation ultimately], lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God [Both Jesus and His Word] is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature [any human or living thing] that is not manifest in his sight [in Jesus's Omniscient awareness of all His creation]: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him [Jesus] with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest [Jesus], that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession [our confession of our sins to Him and trusting that He has forgiven us by His Word].
15 For we have not an high priest [Jesus] which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities [our struggles with sin]; but was in all points tempted [externally tempted by others] like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace [Seek to confess our sins to Him if we do happen to on occasion to stumble into sin in our holy walk with the Lord], that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need [Note: See 1 John 1:9, cf. with Proverbs 28:13].

(Hebrews 4:1-16).

I hope this helps;
And may God's love shine upon you today.

Sincerely,

~ Jason.
 
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Jesus is the one why says it...

MATTHEW 12:12 [12],How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the sabbath days.
That proves my point. You are confusing the law and the law of Christ. Two different things. I suppose you claim they are the same.
 
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<LGW>Hello Brother Der Alter, nice to see you agan. Some comments for your consideration below.
So what proof texts do you believe are out of context and why? Your welcome to prove your claims brother however if you cannot you are simply providing your own words over God's WORD when only God's WORD is true (Romans 3:4)
In relation to the new gentiles believers and the reason given for the decision at Jerusalem,<end>
ACTS 15:20:21
[20], But that we write unto them, that they abstain from defilements of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Why?
[21], For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Please explain to me how these 2 verses prove that uncircumcised gentiles freely joined with Jews in their synagogues when there is not one single verse in the entire Bible recording this ever happening? And I proved Jesus did not say that gentiles would worship with Jews in the synagogues but that they would be thrown out of the synagogues and even killed. What vs. 21 means is that it was only necessary to give the requirements in vs. 20 to gentile because the Jews had been and were being taught Torah every Sabbath.
Also, if your interested there is a lot of historical references available of the early Christian gentile believers whorshipping in the Jewish Synagogues on the Sabbath. Let me know if you would like some references?
This was after the times of persecution a lot of which was done by the Romans empire to the Jews but also from contention between the traditional Jews and the new Christians which included both Jewish Christians and gentile Chrstians against tradtional Jews who did not accept Christ as the Messaiah.
Let me know if you would like some historical records?
Hope this helps
You can try to prove something with "historical records" and I will prove from the Jewish Talmud that gentiles were considered to be beasts, that even the best of gentiles deserved death and that if gentiles had a Sabbath on any day of the week they were worthy of death.
.....And you continue to ignore the fact that Paul who was a Jew was persecuted, by the Jews, throughout his ministry because he was a Christian. And Judaizers like yourself ignore the fact that Paul had to get in Peter's face because he associated with gentiles but when Jewish muckety mucks came from Jerusalem Peter shunned the gentiles. Where is all that fellowship Jews with gentiles?

Galatians 2:11-14
(11) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
(12) For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
(13) And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
(14) But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
2 Corinthians 11:24-25
(24) Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
(25) Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
Jewish Encyclopedia-Gentiles
the Gentiles have no share in the life to come (Tosef., Sanh. xiii. 2; Sanh. 105a).
"The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast" (Miḳ. viii. 4, referring to Ezek. l.c.)
Hence the Talmud prohibited the teaching to a Gentile of the Torah, "the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob" (Deut. xxxiii. 4). R. Johanan says of one so teaching: "Such a person deserves death"
Resh Laḳish (d. 278) said, "A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death" (Sanh. 58b). This refers to a Gentile who accepted the seven laws of the Noachidæ, inasmuch as "the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone," and it was probably directed against the Christian Jews, who disregarded the Mosaic laws and yet at that time kept up the observance of the Jewish Sabbath. Rabbina, who lived about 150 years after the Christians had changed the day of rest to Sunday, could not quite understand the principle underlying Resh Laḳish's law, and, commenting upon it, added: "not even on Mondays [is the Gentile allowed to rest]"; intimating that the mandate given to the Noachidæ that "day and night shall not cease" ( לאשבתו="have no rest ") should be taken in a literal sense (Gen. viii. 22)

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/6585-gentile
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The number 28 means eternal life:

Two pieces of Scripture refer to the number 28 as eternal life and they also refer to how Jesus is our rest. These are (1) John 6:28-29 and (2) Matthew 11:28.

For it is written:

vs 28 "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
vs 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6:28-29).

vs 28 "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28).​

Here are other occurrences of the number 28 in relation to it meaning eternal life (in general):

vs 28 "And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe."
(Matthew 27:28).

"I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels." (Isaiah 61:10).​

For we are to put on Christ (kind of like a cloak so as not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh).

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Romans 13:14).​

The 28th occurrence of Noah's name takes place in Genesis 8:15 that says,

15 "And God spake unto Noah, saying,
16 Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee." (Genesis 8:15-16).​

Noah was to rest within the new life (symbolic of eternal life) he was about to begin outside of the Ark.

The number 28 in the Bible's text is found in Exodus 26:2 that tells us of the curtain that separates men from the Holy of Holies - "The length of each curtain shall be twenty-eight cubits, and the width of each curtain four cubits; all the curtains shall have the same measurements". The verse clearly tells of the barrier between God and men. This is the very same type of curtain which was torn in two (from top to bottom) when Jesus died on the cross.

Source used:
http://amazingword.blogspot.com/2010/05/symbolism-for-bibles-28-jesus-our-great.html
(Note: I merely quote briefly from one of their articles; This does not mean I agree with everything they say).
 
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They are not mutually exclusive

Indeed, the entire Word of the Most High God is the Redeemer Himself. If we abolish any of His Law, we abolish a part of the Redeemer - because the actual Word of God is a living entity.
 
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The Word "Rest" in relation to Jesus:

"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." (2 Corinthians 12:9).

"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels," (2 Thessalonians 1:7).

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28).
 
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Hebrews 4:10 says,
"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

28 "Then said they unto him,
What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
(John 6:28-29).

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28).
 
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John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Not sure why you think this answers what Yeshua HaDerekh said about God's LAW is not mutually exclusive. Christs law is God's LAW.
 
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Indeed, the entire Word of the Most High God is the Redeemer Himself. If we abolish any of His Law, we abolish a part of the Redeemer - because the actual Word of God is a living entity.

Hi Kaon, nice to see you and welcome here. Jesus is God and the very embodiment of LOVE (1 John 4:8;16). It is LOVE in the NEW COVENANT that fulfills the LAW in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and is why we need to be born again with as new heart. This is the NEW COVENANT promise to those who BELIEVE God's WORD.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Kaon.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word :wave:
 
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ACTS 15:20:21 [20], But that we write unto them, that they abstain from defilements of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Why? [21], For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Please explain to me how these 2 verses prove that uncircumcised gentiles freely joined with Jews in their synagogues when there is not one single verse in the entire Bible recording this ever happening?

Well that is not true Brother Der Alter, you were posted scripture from ACTS 15:21 showing the reason for the early decree to new gentile believers was that they would receive further instruction from the TORAH every Sabbath as they continued to learn God's WORD.

And I proved Jesus did not say that gentiles would worship with Jews in the synagogues but that they would be thrown out of the synagogues and even killed.

No you didn't brother. This statement of yours really make no sense. How could the Gentiles not be in the Synagagues learning on the Sabbath when they the scripture you provided is saying they will be thrown out of the synagogues and even killed? Can you see your contradiction here?

You can try to prove something with "historical records" and I will prove from the Jewish Talmud that gentiles were considered to be beasts, that even the best of gentiles deserved death and that if gentiles had a Sabbath on any day of the week they were worthy of death.

Indeed I am not disagreeing with you although your historical time references are after the separation took place. Not in the days of PAUL who was preaching the Gospel and in not in every location the Gospel was proclaimed.

And you continue to ignore the fact that Paul who was a Jew was persecuted, by the Jews, throughout his ministry because he was a Christian.

Not at all brother. Are you ignoring that there was many JEWISH believers and Pharasee that accepted the Gospel message through the preaching of Paul?

And Judaizers like yourself ignore the fact that Paul had to get in Peter's face because he associated with gentiles but when Jewish muckety mucks came from Jerusalem Peter shunned the gentiles. Where is all that fellowship Jews with gentiles? Galatians 2:11-14 (11) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.(12) For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. (13) And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. (14) But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Now brother Der Alter, there is no need for name calling here. We are all brothers in Christ. You have seem to have forgotten that these JEW that came to the gentiles in Acts 15 and Galatians 2:11-14 were converted Pharisees, who PAUL says later were "false bretheren" v3-4, (because they were correct in regards to CIRCUMCISION) v12 says that these converted Pharasees came from James. Sorry brother you seem mixedd up here.

2 Corinthians 11:24-25 (24) Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. (25) Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;

Indeed Paul was persecuted by the UNBELIEVING Jews. He was not however persecuted by the BELIEVING Jews. Paul was free at some locations he preached and not free at othere. His custom was to preach in the synagogue on the Sabbath (Acts 17:2)

Jewish Encyclopedia-Gentiles the Gentiles have no share in the life to come (Tosef., Sanh. xiii. 2; Sanh. 105a). "The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast" (Miḳ. viii. 4, referring to Ezek. l.c.) Hence the Talmud prohibited the teaching to a Gentile of the Torah, "the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob" (Deut. xxxiii. 4). R. Johanan says of one so teaching: "Such a person deserves death"Resh Laḳish (d. 278) said, "A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death" (Sanh. 58b). This refers to a Gentile who accepted the seven laws of the Noachidæ, inasmuch as "the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone," and it was probably directed against the Christian Jews, who disregarded the Mosaic laws and yet at that time kept up the observance of the Jewish Sabbath. Rabbina, who lived about 150 years after the Christians had changed the day of rest to Sunday, could not quite understand the principle underlying Resh Laḳish's law, and, commenting upon it, added: "not even on Mondays [is the Gentile allowed to rest]"; intimating that the mandate given to the Noachidæ that "day and night shall not cease" ( לאשבתו="have no rest ") should be taken in a literal sense (Gen. viii. 22) http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/6585-gentile

Indeed I am not disagreeing with you that there was not a separation of JEWS and CHRISTINAS although your historical time references are after the separation took place. Not in the days of PAUL who was preaching the Gospel and in not in every location the Gospel was preached. There was times and places of course where the words of Jesus were fulfilled that his people would be thrown out of the synagogues and even killed.

Thanks for your thoughts brother maybe it is time for us however to agree to disagree and remain friends.

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That proves my point. You are confusing the law and the law of Christ. Two different things. I suppose you claim they are the same.

Not at all you asked for the scripture that says doing GOOD in the sabbath is lawful. It was provided to you in MATTHEW 12:12.
 
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Sometimes it is best just to keep things simple, else one can get all caught up in details and lose their focus. As some have stated earlier, the Lord is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The OT and the NT agree....

Micah 6:8 (ISV) He has made it clear to you, mortal man, what is good
and what the Lord is requiring from you—
to act with justice,
to treasure the Lord’s gracious love,
and to walk humbly in the company of your God.

1 John 3:23-24 (TLV) Now this is His commandment—that we should believe in the name of His Son, Yeshua the Messiah, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in God, and God in him. We know that He abides in us by this—by the Spirit He has given us.

John says we should keep the commandments and lists what they are. Simple.

Really, not much different that what Yeshua said...

Matthew 22:36-40 (TLV) "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Torah?"
37 And He said to him, "‘You shall love Adonai your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 The entire Torah and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

It is easy to fall into the trap of being so diligent about keeping commandments that we sometimes forget the One who gave them and what their intended purpose was. Yeshua warned the Assembly at Ephesus about this. They got so wrapped up in service to the King, that they forgot the King.

Revelation 2:2-4 (NKJV) “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; 3 and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name's sake and have not become weary. 4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love.

Kinda like going in to see the boss for your evaluation at work. You here such things as "I really like how you handled that" or "That was a great job you did the other day", etc. Then the boss says... "Nevertheless...". You just know at that point that the raise in pay you expected isn't forthcoming.

How we view commandments can be skewed. The Law or more better, Torah, means instruction or guidance. The root word is where we get yara or teacher. The commandments are to guide us. It is wrong to see them as some rigid type of thing like, say, speed limit laws.
 
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