70th Week - It Is Still Pending
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Do you mean, Is Terence Trent D'Arby any relation to Darby?
If he is, he's trying to disguise it.
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The last seven years of this age, which will be Daniel's 70the 'week', will be divided in half. Just as Daniel 9:27 says. Proved by the several time periods in Revelation of 3 1/2 years, 42 months and 1260 days.
Are you related to Fred Flintstone?
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I like the Flintstones......Does his avatar imply he is related to Fred Flintstone LOL?
Btw, since you are a Bible scholar, could you please vote and post on my Olivet Discourse thread?
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 harmonized
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From Martin Luther ~
For when Christ sent out the Gospel through the ministry of himself and of the Apostles, it lasted three or three and a half years, that it almost amounts to the calculation of Daniel, namely the 490 years. Hence he also says, Christ shall take a half a week, in which the daily offerings shall cease; that is, the priesthood and reign of the Jews shall have an end; which all took place in the three and a half years in which Christ preached, and was almost completed in four years after Christ, in which the Gospel prospered the most, especially in Palestine through the Apostles (that when they opened their mouth, the Holy Ghost fell as it were, from heaven, as we see in the Acts of the Apostles), so that a whole week, or seven years, established the covenant, as Daniel says; that is, the Gospel was preached to the Jews, of which we spoke before. Now, when the time came that a new message or sermon began, there must also begin a new kingdom, that is, where Christ rules spiritually in our hearts through the Word and faith. If this is now to continue, then the other must be set aside and has no more authority and must cease. This is the part of the prophecy of the prophets, which Christ is explaining.
~ Martin Luther. Sermon for the Twenty-Fifth Sunday after Trinity; Matthew 24:15-28. The Sermons of Martin Luther, published by Baker Book House (Grand Rapids, MI, 1983). Volume V., pp. 365-366.
~ Martin Luther. Sermon for the Twenty-Fifth Sunday after Trinity; Matthew 24:15-28. The Sermons of Martin Luther, published by Baker Book House (Grand Rapids, MI, 1983). Volume V., pp. 365-366.
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When people have to rely on Luther, or any of the ECF's, to support their beliefs, then they have no scriptural support, therefore no case.
I repeat my Biblical proofs:
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When the forces of modernism seek to usurp the ageless truths of the faith once delivered unto the saints (Jude 3), the Mighty Fortress of whom Luther wrote is a Bulwark never failing against them.
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God reveals to His church ---- not to lone rangers -- and just as it's been said throughout this thread, for 1800 or so years it was only believed that Daniel's prophecy of the 70 weeks was fulfilled (completely).
What the ECF understood and taught is important (to me, at least) - where do you think the scriptures even came from in the first place?
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Hey Keras,
If your assertion above is a Biblical "proof", then perhaps you are familiar with the gender of the word "weeks". And knowing the gender, then whether the word is in the "concise" or "inconcise" vernacular.
For example, a "cool" glass of water is a depressed thermal gradient. But a "cool" car is not a depressed thermal gradient.
So if your "proof" survives the literal text as in example #1, then you're good to go. If your "proof" is per example #2, then you have no "proof".
“... as Young points out, the word ‘sevens’ is in the masculine plural instead of the usual feminine plural. No clear explanation is given except that Young feels ‘it was for the deliberate purpose of calling attention to the fact that the word “sevens” is employed in an unusual sense.’”
“...Young finally concludes after some discussion that Keil and Kliefoth are correct when they hold that the word ‘sevens’ does not necessarily mean year-weeks, but an intentionally indefinite designation of a period of time measured by the number seven, which chronological duration must be determined on other grounds.”
John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 217-218
Thanks,“...Young finally concludes after some discussion that Keil and Kliefoth are correct when they hold that the word ‘sevens’ does not necessarily mean year-weeks, but an intentionally indefinite designation of a period of time measured by the number seven, which chronological duration must be determined on other grounds.”
John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 217-218
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You have no clue of who I am.
I posted proof of the 70th week being at the end of the age. You and others here fail to address the fact of the halves of that last seven years, being plainly stated in Daniel and Revelation.
Where the scriptures came from, was the Apostles. The Early Church Fathers are just as confused and errant as modern scholars are today. Luther said we should murder all the Jews!
It is from scripture only that we receive Biblical truths, not those who claim to be learned and wise. Jesus said:....God has hidden these things, [Prophetic truths] from the wise and revealed them to the uneducated. Matthew 11:25
Why do people want to throw the 70th week into history, anyway?
Read Revelation 12:6-17, and we see that the Lord will take His faithful people to a place of safety during the last 3 1/2 years. THAT I look forward to!
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Hey Keras,
Could it be that the Scriptures say something that you are not familiar with? Could it be that the Daniel 9 prophecy is not ancient -- as the angel insists, and that there's a modern fulfillment which is complete, except for the destroyer that "shall come" AFTER the seventieth week?
I think it would help if we all knew the foundational aspects before building a doctrine.
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That's not how it seemed to Elijah. There was no "church" that stood up to the prophets of Baal, and to Jezebel.
It seems to me that the "church" has delegated their personal responsibility to the "hireling". But GOD calls each of us to operate in our GOD given calling, -- which is unique and CANNOT be assumed by others.
1 Cor 14:26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
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Such is the hubris of dispensational modernism.
Do you think you would be alive today enjoying the freedom to disparage the historical defenders of the faith, if not for their vision, faith, and sacrifice, frequently to the death?
The effrontery of contemporary armchair false propheteers is a blight and a bane upon the true church of God.
Their fallacies will ultimately be consigned to the dustbin of the heterodoxies of history.
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Either you are confused, or the Apostle Paul is confused below.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
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Funny, I didn't read of their attendance at the two altars, or with Elijah in the cave, or being pursued by Jezebel. Guess I missed that.
It certainly appears that Elijah was a (in your words) "lone ranger" in the entire episode. Perhaps he was too impulsive to wait for the "seven thousand" others. OR, maybe it takes each "lone ranger" in all of us to build the full participation and health of the "church". -- Yeah, the latter!
DaDad
PS: WE are the "church" which you defer to.
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ALL fallacies will end up in the wastebin of false teachings.
Still avoiding the facts of the last seven years being divided into halves and those halves mentioned many times to happen in the last days.
I am still puzzled as to why people here are so insistent that the 70th week was over in the 1st century, despite their inability to prove it.
Is it fright and fear of being caught up in that scary time?
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It is because we actually believe what the Bible says, and we understand basic math.
Since there are 4 different Passovers in the Gospels, we know the earthly ministry of Christ lasted about 3 1/2 years. Do you deny this fact?
Do you deny Christ commanded that the Gospel be taken only to the house of Israel during that time in Matthew 10:5-7?
Did Paul say that the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews in Romans 1:16?
Based on Galatians 1:14-18, did Paul take the Gospel to the Gentiles about 3 years after his conversion?
3 1/2 years+ time from Calvary to Paul's conversion+ 3 years= ???
Do you deny that Christ was anointed, based on the verse below?
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Do you still continue to deny the fulfillment of the New Covenant, based on the passage below?
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(Quoted from the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Are you going to pretend you have never been shown these scriptures before?
Are you still trying to ignore the New Covenant teacher found in 1 John 2:27, or will you ever admit that the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was fulfilled at Calvary?
The rest of us can show how the 70th week was fulfilled by Christ during the first century a million times, but we cannot force you or anyone else to quit ignoring the scriptures which prove it with mathematical certainty.
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I agree with this statement, but that doesn't help an ANCIENT fulfillment premise. According to the angel, THE SEVENTY "WEEKS" ARE END-TIME.
Furthermore, the seventy "weeks" ARE FULFILLED.
Now all we have to do is discover what the literal Hebrew text says, what the "Books" say, and what History says. But that would be too easy. It's a lot more fun playing: MY doctrine has fewer flaws than YOURS.
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