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I feel context needs to be applied to the Hebrews verse. So many people freak out over it as if it is speaking to them.

From what I understand It was written to the Hebrews who were in danger of possibly going back to the sacrificial system thus leaving Christ's sacrifice void.

Remember these verses in times of doubt.


2 Timothy 2:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.


John 10:28-30 King James Version (KJV)

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.
 
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I haven't read all of the posts in here, but this title still touched me enough to go in and read it.

The fact that you got all aware of your state of living in sin and made you become repentant, shows a work of the Holy Spirit convicting you from the inside. The Holy Spirit is the one who confronts us when we are sinning.

If you would have gotten truly hardened by your heart, something I understand comes from getting a lot of build up pride, you wouldn't have felt a need for repentance. Remember pharao when Moses came to liberate the israelites from Egypt? His heart got very hardened, after he did let them go he still decided to follow after them. Yet, God made him and his army get swallowed up by the red sea. Pharao didn't truly repent, he did anyhow say he repented as well as saying the God of Israel was the greatest God just so that every plague should get ended in Egypt, except for when his firstborn child got killed. But don't think he was as merciful by heart even though he let them go.

You may be going through a dry season, or there are things in your life which you still need getting free from. If you are kept in bondage by for example what you told in here; "Depression", it will take away your focus from God. Depression becomes a very heavy load once you are deeply stuck into it, and spending time and focus on and together with Jesus Christ becomes very difficult to do, as you will be having a big stronghold over your mind which keeps you captive by your thoughts as well as by your past. It darkens your spiritual sight, and this will also "block" you from seeing and experiencing anything which God blesses you with as well as tries reaching out to you with.

Nothing is impossible for God! He can set you free through Jesus Christ! Once you get rid from what is blocking your spiritual sight, you will taste what it is to be like being free in Him.

"Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed". (John 8:36)

Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31-32)

Standing in as well as speaking in His truth will also make you free, which you also see here is stated as His Word(the bible).

There is still hope for you dear friend, you have become aware of the sin in your life and this made you repentant. That's a good step forward! And now you will need to get free from bondage, which can only be done through Jesus Christ! Also done in faith. Cry out to Him with a whole heart, and He will listen and respond to you. He will not let you down!

Also keep in mind that God loves you very much, and He wants everyone to repent and get saved. He is also very patient, hoping that as many as possible will get to a state of true repentance and choose for His Salvation; which is through His Son Jesus Christ!

"The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness. Instead He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance". (2 Peter 3:9)

Much Love in Christ Jesus!
 
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I fell into a long season of willful sins and when I realized what I was doing I tried to repent of it. I was able to physically repent of my sins in the manner of simply not doing them anymore. I was able to quit my addictions and etc. but my soul still has a void in the inside. I think I even remember a time when I sensed the Holy Spirit left me. I keep praying and praying and interceding but God does not answer. I search for him diligently but he will not be found by me.

When I quit all of my sins it just left a void in my heart. Since I have nothing to replace my sin since God left me, I can't enjoy my victory over sin. I think I have done Hebrews 6 where I cannot ever repent truly from the inside out again. There is a sin unto death and you should listen to the Bible warning about it. It's been 1 year now and I still have no resolution. Almost everyone else I see in the same predicament as me(truly born again and fell away) are in the same state as me feeling spiritually dead.

If you want to give me a story about a backslider who was restored, don't bother because most of those stories are only superficial believers who fell away. I think I am a true born again believer as described in Hebrews 6 and I truly fell away. I don't even feel fear anymore. Just consuming apathy. The second death is here and now.

My dear friend! You are not eternally lost, the hope is not gone! Believe me! What you are to do is not to focus at your emptiness inside. Don't focus at all on what you don't have! Put all your trust in Christ and the cross, knowing he died for you. No sin is too big for Christ! Live with hope and trust in Christ's cross, he died to redeem sinners like you.

Keep following him, but don't believe you can fix this, you can't, only Christ can! As you hand over you burden to Christ, trustning on his mercy, believe that it's not what you have or don't have that will save you, but where you put your hope. It's all in him! Follow him, live for him, but solely trust on him, He alone IS Lord, He alone is your hope!

When you feel this emptiness, hopelessness, darkness inside, wave it away like a fly! Just don't listen to it at all! Put your focus back on Christ! Christ is bigger, so much bigger than this hole inside. He is the light of the world!
 
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Don’t let anyone convince you you weren’t truly born again because you fell away. That comes from the pit and is actually works theology mascarading as OSAS. For those who believe this false theology, “true saving faith” is measured by never falling away in the future. It’s a vicious circle.

If you truly believe, you won’t fall away but if you do, you never believed at any time. But if you truly believe today, you can sin as you like and you’ll still go to Heaven cause you truly believe and no one can snatch you out of his hand. But if you sin so much that you fall away (cause you were taught no sin can cause you to fall away and lose your salvation), well you never were saved. And if you repent, well you were truly saved. if you don’t, you weren’t. Means you can never really know you are today truly saved cause it’s measured by never falling away. Unless you decide you measure your salvation by your assurance today. Two different standards.

The easy way although less satisfying to the flesh, is to realize you CAN sin you salvation away and avoid sin. Jesus warned us to take care. That is a better theology than “no worries, he’s taking care.”

It's a theology that I grew up with and believed in for a while. I even thought I'd never fall away because of eternal security and etc. Well I learned they were wrong.

A person can stop doing things which were addictive but none of that helps our salvation or helps bring us closer to God, which is the point of Christianity. The OP said that stopping left a hole in him and my point was that he left God out as Judaism does.

I'm not leaving God out. I pray to him to fill the void in my heart but until that happens I need to nip my sin in the bud. I do not want to continue in sin.
 
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My dear friend! You are not eternally lost, the hope is not gone! Believe me! What you are to do is not to focus at your emptiness inside. Don't focus at all on what you don't have! Put all your trust in Christ and the cross, knowing he died for you. No sin is too big for Christ! Live with hope and trust in Christ's cross, he died to redeem sinners like you.

Keep following him, but don't believe you can fix this, you can't, only Christ can! As you hand over you burden to Christ, trustning on his mercy, believe that it's not what you have or don't have that will save you, but where you put your hope. It's all in him! Follow him, live for him, but solely trust on him, He alone IS Lord, He alone is your hope!

When you feel this emptiness, hopelessness, darkness inside, wave it away like a fly! Just don't listen to it at all! Put your focus back on Christ! Christ is bigger, so much bigger than this hole inside. He is the light of the world!

I will try to do this. Very hard to do though since I am painfully aware of how much I've done.
 
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I will try to do this. Very hard to do though since I am painfully aware of how much I've done.

You do remember the robber on the cross who got saved? How much do you think he had done?

The good news is that through Christ everything can be forgiven. :oldthumbsup:
 
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You do remember the robber on the cross who got saved? How much do you think he had done?

The good news is that through Christ everything can be forgiven. :oldthumbsup:

He didn't sin after conversion though.
 
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I fell into a long season of willful sins and when I realized what I was doing I tried to repent of it. I was able to physically repent of my sins in the manner of simply not doing them anymore. I was able to quit my addictions and etc. but my soul still has a void in the inside. I think I even remember a time when I sensed the Holy Spirit left me. I keep praying and praying and interceding but God does not answer. I search for him diligently but he will not be found by me.

When I quit all of my sins it just left a void in my heart. Since I have nothing to replace my sin since God left me, I can't enjoy my victory over sin. I think I have done Hebrews 6 where I cannot ever repent truly from the inside out again. There is a sin unto death and you should listen to the Bible warning about it. It's been 1 year now and I still have no resolution. Almost everyone else I see in the same predicament as me(truly born again and fell away) are in the same state as me feeling spiritually dead.

If you want to give me a story about a backslider who was restored, don't bother because most of those stories are only superficial believers who fell away. I think I am a true born again believer as described in Hebrews 6 and I truly fell away. I don't even feel fear anymore. Just consuming apathy. The second death is here and now.

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Every Christian in the world wrestles with sin every single day of his or her life. Even the apostle Paul complained, "The good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice" (Romans 7:20). None of us is conformed to the image of Christ overnight. Sanctification is a moment-by-moment challenge. It's a process that will not be complete until we leave this world and see the Lord face to face. In the meantime, our assignment is to trust God and keep on "walking in the Spirit" (Galatians 5:16).

Because of the sin nature that dwells within us, there's a very real sense in which we often sin against our own wills(Romans 7). But this idea shouldn't b taken too far. It's equally true that every sin is a "willful sin." If it weren't, we wouldn't be responsible. And if we're not responsible for our own actions, a sin can't be a sin at all. As James says, "Each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death" (James 1:14, 15).

This is an important point. Why? Because if every sin is a willful sin, it doesn't make any sense to say that "willful sin" causes us to lose our salvation. The apostle John says something quite different: "If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:7-9). It is a day-by-day, moment-by-moment process.

What about Hebrews? Will God "reject" those who go on sinning willfully? There is the "unpardonable sin" that Jesus mentions in Matthew 12:31. To be specific, it's the sin of rejecting Christ altogether (otherwise known as "the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit").

We could also call this the sin of persistent self-hardening. It's the process by which an individual sears his conscience and stiffens his neck against God. If it goes on long enough, the person eventually reaches the point where genuine repentance is an impossibility.

This is not what is going on with you ... is it?

The fact that you're wrestling with doubts and fears about your standing with God gives evidence that you cannot be guilty of this sin. If you were, you wouldn't be concerned about it.

It is possible to argue that Hebrews 10:26-31 doesn't refer to struggling Christians like yourself at all. This passage may be aimed at hardened, bitter people who only seem to be Christians.

Look at it this way. If an individual insists on living an unchristian life even after "receiving the knowledge of the truth," we might be led to suspect that he never really accepted Christ in the first place. If he willfully persists in committing the same sin over and over again without remorse and without showing any evidence of a genuine desire to change, we would have every reason to doubt the sincerity of his faith. Such a person is like the demons mentioned in James 2:19: they "believe" the truth but refuse to grant it their personal allegiance. In a case like this, it is absolutely true to say that "there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," since Jesus Himself is that sacrifice. "But we are confident of better things concerning you" (Hebrews 6:9).

There are a lot of "I's" in your account. Give glory to God ... He delivered you from your sins .... it was nothing you did .... He did it ... with that .... you don't "feel" the presence of the Lord within you? My friend, behold what the Lord delivered you from. Talk about a presence! Praise God!

The unpardonable sin is blasphemy and that is a continual rejection of Christ ... this is not the case here.

Once forgiveness has been given, often we are too slow to accept it or to recognize it.

Remain in His word, walk with Him. No doubt He is there.

God Bless
 
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Appreciate the suggestions, friend. Will start reading up on sober parables.



I'd do anything to get the Holy Spirit back. I do miss my intimacy with Him but I sense nothing when reading His word.


I hope this is all just one great big trial and that I come through it intact.

Are you reading the Word just on the surface or studying it more deeply?
 
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I'm not leaving God out. I pray to him to fill the void in my heart but until that happens I need to nip my sin in the bud. I do not want to continue in sin.
My point is that YOU need to let go of YOUR need to nip sin in the bud and allow God's Spirit to do that for YOU.

I had the same problem when I was first baptized. I tried to stop sin within myself. But that road led to no where. It wasn't until God revealed that in order for me to be perfect, I had to take on Jesus' perfection and that comes when we let go our the worldly desire to cleanse ourselves and truly embrace the cross.

When God revealed the cross to me and I let go of the world the desire to sin began to fade away and they things which I once desired became appalling. I didn't change me, the Holy Spirit changed me.

The Jews couldn't embrace God even though they saw all of those incredible miracles. They kept looking back to Egypt, just as Lot's wife looked back to Sodom, so God gave them his Law. A law not needed by the man of faith, Abraham. He listened to God's Spirit and was led by that Spirit.

Jesus takes us back to before the law, back to faith. Don't focus on yourself. God is your Father. Treat him as your Father and talk to him about all things. Ask him about that Spirit which he gives through baptism. Let go of this world and embrace the Spirit.

Satan does not want us to embrace God and leaves us with an empty feeling. Reject all of Satan. He is this world.

Letting go is one of the most difficult things that I faced as a new Christian but when I finally did I found righteousness through Jesus.

God bless
 
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****

Every Christian in the world wrestles with sin every single day of his or her life. Even the apostle Paul complained, "The good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice" (Romans 7:20). None of us is conformed to the image of Christ overnight. Sanctification is a moment-by-moment challenge. It's a process that will not be complete until we leave this world and see the Lord face to face. In the meantime, our assignment is to trust God and keep on "walking in the Spirit" (Galatians 5:16).

Because of the sin nature that dwells within us, there's a very real sense in which we often sin against our own wills(Romans 7). But this idea shouldn't b taken too far. It's equally true that every sin is a "willful sin." If it weren't, we wouldn't be responsible. And if we're not responsible for our own actions, a sin can't be a sin at all. As James says, "Each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death" (James 1:14, 15).

This is an important point. Why? Because if every sin is a willful sin, it doesn't make any sense to say that "willful sin" causes us to lose our salvation. The apostle John says something quite different: "If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:7-9). It is a day-by-day, moment-by-moment process.

What about Hebrews? Will God "reject" those who go on sinning willfully? There is the "unpardonable sin" that Jesus mentions in Matthew 12:31. To be specific, it's the sin of rejecting Christ altogether (otherwise known as "the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit").

We could also call this the sin of persistent self-hardening. It's the process by which an individual sears his conscience and stiffens his neck against God. If it goes on long enough, the person eventually reaches the point where genuine repentance is an impossibility.

This is not what is going on with you ... is it?

The fact that you're wrestling with doubts and fears about your standing with God gives evidence that you cannot be guilty of this sin. If you were, you wouldn't be concerned about it.

It is possible to argue that Hebrews 10:26-31 doesn't refer to struggling Christians like yourself at all. This passage may be aimed at hardened, bitter people who only seem to be Christians.

Look at it this way. If an individual insists on living an unchristian life even after "receiving the knowledge of the truth," we might be led to suspect that he never really accepted Christ in the first place. If he willfully persists in committing the same sin over and over again without remorse and without showing any evidence of a genuine desire to change, we would have every reason to doubt the sincerity of his faith. Such a person is like the demons mentioned in James 2:19: they "believe" the truth but refuse to grant it their personal allegiance. In a case like this, it is absolutely true to say that "there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," since Jesus Himself is that sacrifice. "But we are confident of better things concerning you" (Hebrews 6:9).

There are a lot of "I's" in your account. Give glory to God ... He delivered you from your sins .... it was nothing you did .... He did it ... with that .... you don't "feel" the presence of the Lord within you? My friend, behold what the Lord delivered you from. Talk about a presence! Praise God!

The unpardonable sin is blasphemy and that is a continual rejection of Christ ... this is not the case here.

Once forgiveness has been given, often we are too slow to accept it or to recognize it.

Remain in His word, walk with Him. No doubt He is there.

God Bless

My heart is so hard though. I sinned for so long and I don't know how God can still be with me. I don't even feel remorse on the emotional level. Just intellectual. I would do ANYTHING to feel remorse again. I keep praying for God to again give me a heart of flesh.

Are you reading the Word just on the surface or studying it more deeply?

Idk if I still have the Holy Spirit so if I don't then I cannot understand spiritual matters. And I always feel condemned when I read the bible.
 
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Do you remember sensing the presence of the Holy Spirit more intensely in a church where believers worship? Maybe that's where you need to look? You say you don't 'feel' remorse but your posts just radiate pain and remorse.
 
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My heart is so hard though. I sinned for so long and I don't know how God can still be with me. I don't even feel remorse on the emotional level. Just intellectual. I would do ANYTHING to feel remorse again. I keep praying for God to again give me a heart of flesh.

Idk if I still have the Holy Spirit so if I don't then I cannot understand spiritual matters. And I always feel condemned when I read the bible.

A few things: you're born again so you still have the Holy Spirit; God does not remove His Spirit from believers (2 Cor. 1:21-22; Eph.1:13-14). Not to mention that you are no longer under condemnation but rather grace (Rom. 8:1-2; John 1:14-17). Since your area of struggle is addiction, it's time for you to renew your mind (Rom. 12:2; Eph. 4:23) which will aid in your recovery. By learning about the nature and character of God through scripture you will develop the intimacy we all need with Him. As a believer, you do possess the capability of understanding spiritual matters but it takes time and diligence in the Word. If you're interested in ministries/teachers who can aid in this (and have helped me immensely) let me know. There's absolutely no reason to give up on your spiritual walk!
 
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Just intellectual.

Intellectual .... is relying on yourself .... rely on God.

“Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight” (Prov. 3:5, 6).

1 Peter 5

6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, so that in due time He may exalt you.7 Cast all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you.

8 Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering.
 
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I fell into a long season of willful sins and when I realized what I was doing I tried to repent of it. I was able to physically repent of my sins in the manner of simply not doing them anymore. I was able to quit my addictions and etc. but my soul still has a void in the inside. I think I even remember a time when I sensed the Holy Spirit left me. I keep praying and praying and interceding but God does not answer. I search for him diligently but he will not be found by me.

When I quit all of my sins it just left a void in my heart. Since I have nothing to replace my sin since God left me, I can't enjoy my victory over sin. I think I have done Hebrews 6 where I cannot ever repent truly from the inside out again. There is a sin unto death and you should listen to the Bible warning about it. It's been 1 year now and I still have no resolution. Almost everyone else I see in the same predicament as me(truly born again and fell away) are in the same state as me feeling spiritually dead.

If you want to give me a story about a backslider who was restored, don't bother because most of those stories are only superficial believers who fell away. I think I am a true born again believer as described in Hebrews 6 and I truly fell away. I don't even feel fear anymore. Just consuming apathy. The second death is here and now.

I have pretty much left CF, just dropped by to see something and saw your post. Everything you said describes me to a tee. I fell away when my depression and mental issues began again and now I have all but given up on my faith. Apathy has taken over and I honestly don't have many emotions pro God at this moment in time. How could this happen if God really does care? If he is so loving how does he allow those who earnestly do want him to just slide off into Oblivion?

I did have a period where I tried to return to God. But the people that "he brought" into my life only pushed me further away at the end. Superficial Christians whose end was to promote themselves and their ministries rather than actually help those in need.

I'm tired of caring about life and faith. I think you at least have hope that maybe you will return again. I am literally in the "If God even exists then he can miracle me back into grace" phase at this point. That's what it will take because I don't have the energy or the will to try and make another futile attempt.
 
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Intellectual .... is relying on yourself .... rely on God.

“Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight” (Prov. 3:5, 6).

1 Peter 5

6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, so that in due time He may exalt you.7 Cast all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you.

8 Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering.

I try but God isn't helping me move past the intellectual stage. I want to follow His Spirit but I get no guidance.
 
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I have pretty much left CF, just dropped by to see something and saw your post. Everything you said describes me to a tee. I fell away when my depression and mental issues began again and now I have all but given up on my faith. Apathy has taken over and I honestly don't have many emotions pro God at this moment in time. How could this happen if God really does care? If he is so loving how does he allow those who earnestly do want him to just slide off into Oblivion?

I did have a period where I tried to return to God. But the people that "he brought" into my life only pushed me further away at the end. Superficial Christians whose end was to promote themselves and their ministries rather than actually help those in need.

I'm tired of caring about life and faith. I think you at least have hope that maybe you will return again. I am literally in the "If God even exists then he can miracle me back into grace" phase at this point. That's what it will take because I don't have the energy or the will to try and make another futile attempt.

You still have emotions. That's a plus. I'm just hollow shell.

Does your heart feel empty too?
 
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I fell into a long season of willful sins and when I realized what I was doing I tried to repent of it. I was able to physically repent of my sins in the manner of simply not doing them anymore. I was able to quit my addictions and etc. but my soul still has a void in the inside. I think I even remember a time when I sensed the Holy Spirit left me. I keep praying and praying and interceding but God does not answer. I search for him diligently but he will not be found by me.

When I quit all of my sins it just left a void in my heart. Since I have nothing to replace my sin since God left me, I can't enjoy my victory over sin. I think I have done Hebrews 6 where I cannot ever repent truly from the inside out again. There is a sin unto death and you should listen to the Bible warning about it. It's been 1 year now and I still have no resolution. Almost everyone else I see in the same predicament as me(truly born again and fell away) are in the same state as me feeling spiritually dead.

If you want to give me a story about a backslider who was restored, don't bother because most of those stories are only superficial believers who fell away. I think I am a true born again believer as described in Hebrews 6 and I truly fell away. I don't even feel fear anymore. Just consuming apathy. The second death is here and now.
When you are in Christ the Holy Spirit is leading us away from the world. Sometimes there are storms and things to keep us from loving this World. If you are going to church you will not find Gods love there, that will make it worse. Stay out of the Church and really seek him with all your heart. Stay away from the sin. The devil is trying to kill your desire to know God.
 
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You still have emotions. That's a plus. I'm just hollow shell.

Does your heart feel empty too?

The vast majority of the time yes. The lack of empathy causes me to lash out even at those I love (my wife and kids mainly).

I'm not trying to minimalize your situation by sharing mine. Just read your post and wanted to say your experience isn't unique. Others are going through similar things even if at varying degrees.
 
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