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Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

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Once called the "Feast of Maccabeus" from the days of Judas Maccabeus after cleansing of the temple in 165 B.C., after Antiochus had polluted it with an idol and swine sacrifices.

That has nothing to do with the future Ezekiel sanctuary to be built when Jesus returns (also see Zechariah 6:12-13, especially verse 13. Also Jer.23:5-6).

Nor does it have anything to do with Jesus' warning of the future "abomination of desolation" He gave about 200 years AFTER 165 B.C.
 
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Once called the "Feast of Maccabeus" from the days of Judas Maccabeus after cleansing of the temple in 165 B.C., after Antiochus had polluted it with an idol and swine sacrifices.

That has nothing to do with the future Ezekiel sanctuary to be built when Jesus returns (also see Zechariah 6:12-13, especially verse 13. Also Jer.23:5-6).

Nor does it have anything to do with Jesus' warning of the future "abomination of desolation" He gave about 200 years AFTER 165 B.C.

Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:

Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.


Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)


Luk 21:5  Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 

Luk 21:6  "These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down." 

(Mat 24:2  And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." )





Luk 21:7  So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?" 

(Mat 24:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")

( Mar 13:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 

Mar 13:4  "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?") 





Luk 21:8  And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them. 

(Mat 24:5  For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. )



Luk 21:9  But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."

(Mat 24:6  And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.) 



Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution



Luk 21:10  Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:11  And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:12  But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:9  "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.) (Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)



Luk 21:13  But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 

Luk 21:14  Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 

Luk 21:15  for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 

Luk 21:16  You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 

Luk 21:17  And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:10  And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. )



Luk 21:18  But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 

Luk 21:19  By your patience possess your souls. 

(Mat 24:13  But he who endures to the end shall be saved.) 



Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem



Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. (See also Luke 19:41-44)

(Mat 24:15  "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 



Luk 21:21  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 

(Mat 24:16  "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.) 



Luk 21:22  For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 

Luk 21:23  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 

(Mat 24:19  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! ) (See Luke 23:27-31 where Jesus warned the women weeping for Him.)



Luk 21:24  And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ.)


The Coming of the Son of Man



Luk 21:25  "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 

(Mat 24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.) 



Luk 21:26  men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 

Luk 21:27  Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 

(Mat 24:30  Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.) 



Luk 21:28  Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." 

(Mat 24:33  So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!)

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.


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Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:
Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.
Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.
I created this other thread in your honor ;)

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/matthew-24-mark-13-and-luke-21-harmonized.8076438/
Matthew 24 and Luke 21 the same event?
BABerean2 said:

Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.
Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)..........
I have heard members on here say that Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are speaking of different events.
I also have heard some say Luke 21 is 70ad, but Matthew 24 is still future.


I will look at each verse of both and go to the greek when I have to.
[here is what a member said on another board which I find interesting:


https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-parousia-in-matthew-24.8076395/#post-73032394

The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.
 
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Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

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Winter is mentioned a few times in the Olivet Discourse.
Matthew mentions both winter and sabbath.
Mark mentions on winter.
Luke mentions neither.......


https://www.christianforums.com/thr...ght-not-be-on-a-sabbath-or-in-winter.8076025/

Matthew 24:

19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath

Mark 13:
17 But woe to those that are with child and to those that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter


Luke 21:23
But woe to them that are with child and to them who give suck in those days,
For there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people.


Amos 3:15
I will destroy the winter house along with the summer house;
The houses of ivory shall perish,
And the great houses shall have an end,” Says Yahweh.


Revelation 18:12
“merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;





 
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I've just ordered "The Atonement Clock".

Sent today's mail.

Fifteen years ago I was trying to write something on the 2nd coming. I figured a quick chapter on Daniel's weeks would only take a short time before getting to the 'more interesting' stuff. Funny how God gives us our marching orders, but the old draft got the biff and 'The Atonement Clock' got written instead. Took nearly ten years.

I hope you like it. :)

Blessings,
Chris
 
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Sent today's mail.

Fifteen years ago I was trying to write something on the 2nd coming. I figured a quick chapter on Daniel's weeks would only take a short time before getting to the 'more interesting' stuff. Funny how God gives us our marching orders, but the old draft got the biff and 'The Atonement Clock' got written instead. Took nearly ten years.

I hope you like it. :)

Blessings,
Chris
Nicely done site.
 
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It's simple math per Dan.9.

I would agree, except inserting a "gap" no longer makes it simple math

1st period given - seven sevens = 49 years

I agree

2nd period given - 62 sevens = 434 years

I agree

TOTAL of the two periods - 49 + 434 = 483 years

I agree

Start at 454 B.C. when the command to restore and build Jerusalem was, and add 483 years, and where does it end?

This all depends on what historical chronology you are using. It appears you are using Ptolemy's Cannon, which is what most secular history is based off of. I suggest Reading Martin Anstey's The Romance of bible Chronology.

Notice that the prophecy given to daniel states there would be 4 kings until the coming of the greek empire
Daniel 11:1-2 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him. 2And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

However, according to Ptolemy's Cannon (secular history), there are more than 10 kings of persia until the coming of the Greek empire.

So which history should we follow, biblical history (4 persian kings after darius), or secular history (more than 10 kings of the persian empire)?

Considering the Persian history is one of the most convoluted histories, I suggest sticking with Biblical history.
 
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So to use your... logic, of trying to move the 70th week back to the days of Jesus,

My logic is that 70 comes consecutively after 69. When someone asks me to count to 70, I do not insert 2000 numbers in between 69 and 70.

that would mean what Titus did in 70 A.D. with destroying Jerusalem would also have to be moved back to the days of Jesus! That simply does not work, and it is actually foolishness.

That is only if one believes the 6 points of Daniel 9:24 were not fulfilled with Christ. However, I believe the 6 points of Daniel 9:24 were fulfilled with Christ, Thus Daniel 9:26 (a) = Daniel 9:27 (a) and Daniel 9:26 (b) = Daniel 9:27 (b).

If Christ fulfills the 6 points of Daniel 9:24 at his death and resurrection, then the destruction of the city and sanctuary are not required to be within the 70 weeks.
 
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Believing that above and admitting that the Dan.9:26 Scripture is pointing directly to Titus and his army destroying the city and sanctuary are two different things.

I'm not understanding this statement. Believing Jesus, as God, used Titus and the roman armies to destroy Jerusalem in 70 ad, is not the same as Titus and the roman armies destroying jerusalem in 70 ad?
 
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I'm not understanding this statement. Believing Jesus, as God, used Titus and the roman armies to destroy Jerusalem in 70 ad, is not the same as Titus and the roman armies destroying jerusalem in 70 ad?
Did you read what Titus said before the final demolition of Jerusalem?

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm


Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ;
for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"

After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory.

There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection. Titus now gave orders that those Jews only who resisted should be slain ; but the soldiers, equally void of pity and remorse, slew even the sick and the aged. The robbers and seditious were all punished with death : the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome.
 
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My logic is that 70 comes consecutively after 69. When someone asks me to count to 70, I do not insert 2000 numbers in between 69 and 70.



That is only if one believes the 6 points of Daniel 9:24 were not fulfilled with Christ. However, I believe the 6 points of Daniel 9:24 were fulfilled with Christ, Thus Daniel 9:26 (a) = Daniel 9:27 (a) and Daniel 9:26 (b) = Daniel 9:27 (b).

If Christ fulfills the 6 points of Daniel 9:24 at his death and resurrection, then the destruction of the city and sanctuary are not required to be within the 70 weeks.

What your interpretation is basically suggesting is this then, thus taking away from what the text actually says.

69 and 1/2 weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Yet my Bible says the following instead.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This clearly says 70 weeks are determined. 69 and 1/2 weeks are not 70 weeks.
 
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I'm not understanding this statement. Believing Jesus, as God, used Titus and the roman armies to destroy Jerusalem in 70 ad, is not the same as Titus and the roman armies destroying jerusalem in 70 ad?


No matter how I look at it, in my mind anyway, the Romans are not Christ's people. I already understand how you are reasoning this, yet I still disagree. The prince that shall come per Daniel 9:26b is not meaning God. Therefore Jesus can't be meant since Jesus is God.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.



And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself---according to this part the Prince in verse 25 has already come at this point, obviously. 26b is meaning a time after that. It says the prince that shall come, and not---the prince that already came.
 
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True, I like to be objective too, that is, when I haven't yet understood something written. That's when I put it on a shelf until later and make no decision either way.


One bad habit I seem to have is giving the opposition the benefit of the doubt. Don't know why though? It's not like most of them ever seem to return the favor and at least admit that what I propose, it is possible, too.
 
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Well, you certainly cannot pin that on me, because I believe in a Post-tribulation return of our Lord Jesus. So what are you left with now? Better to see if one is actually following the Scriptures as written, instead of playing religious politics with seminary labels.

Darby's futurization of the 70th week confirms his disdain of Christ's historically fulfilled accomplishments at Calvary as described in Daniel's prophecy. Do you not concur with Darby's futurization of the 70th week?

I'm left with what Paul was left with:

1 Corinthians 2
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Paul would have been incredulous at the idea of an unfulfilled decapitated 70th week. For he himself declared:

Acts 13
29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

Paul was well aware of what Daniel had written of Him, and its fulfillment at Calvary.

Jesus Himself left no doubt:

Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

One can be assured that “one is actually following the Scriptures as written” when one recognizes that those Scriptures, in their entirety, bear witness to the perfect and completed accomplishments of our Lord and Savior, in His fulfillment of the mission of the Messiah, spanning His ministry and culminating at Calvary.
 
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69 and 1/2 weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

No, not 69.5 weeks. The gospel was preached specifically to Israel during the final week. Christ fulfilled the 6 points up to the midst of the week, when he was cut off. However, can any of the 6 points be applied to those who don't believe?

A covenant is confirmed for 1 week (the 70th week). Who confirms the covenant? Is it the antichrist? If so, is there any other scripture that can support the "antichrist" confirming a covenant with Daniel's people? No, there is not.

However, there is scripture that states Jesus is the messenger of the covenant
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Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple—the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight—see, He is coming,” says the LORD of Hosts.

Notice, the Lord, the messenger of the covenant, comes after John the baptist prepares the way.

The 70th week begins Christ's (the messenger of the covenant) ministry. The covenant is confirmed specifically with Israel for this 1 week. The gospel is specifically preached to Israel for during the 70th week

Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel
Christ is then cut off in the midst of the 70th week (3.5 years after being baptized by John)
The gospel

Luke 22:20 in the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.a
Hebrews 10:18 And where these have been forgiven, an offering for sin is no longer needed.
The gospel then was preached by the apostles specifically to Israel for the remainder of the week. After the 70th week was finished, the gospel went to the world.
Acts 10:34-36 Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. 36He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.


Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This clearly says 70 weeks are determined. 69 and 1/2 weeks are not 70 weeks.

I agree
 
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No matter how I look at it, in my mind anyway, the Romans are not Christ's people. I already understand how you are reasoning this, yet I still disagree. The prince that shall come per Daniel 9:26b is not meaning God. Therefore Jesus can't be meant since Jesus is God.

Babylon was God's war hammer. Were the Babylonians God's people?

The Septuagint confirms that “he” destroys the city and sanctuary WITh the prince that is coming.

Jesus even confirms that the coming of God to destroy the wicked tenants is the king sending an army to destroy the city (Matthew 21-22)
 
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Babylon was God's war hammer. Were the Babylonians God's people?
According to the OT, they were God's servants.....

Jeremiah 43:10
“and say to them, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: “Behold, I will send and bring Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant, and will set his throne above these stones that I have hidden.
And he will spread his royal pavilion over them.

Ezekiel 4:2
“Lay siege against it, build a siege wall against it, and heap up a mound against it; set camps against it also, and place battering rams against it all around.


Ezekiel 21:21

21 “For the king of Babylon[Titus 70 ad] stands at the parting of the road, at the fork of the two roads, to use divination: he shakes the arrows, he consults the images, he looks at the liver.
22 “In his right hand is the divination for Jerusalem:
to set up battering rams, to call for a slaughter, to lift the voice with shouting, to set battering rams against the gates, to heap up a siege mound, and to build a wall.

Luke 19:
43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee, and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work to Thee, and shall be encompassing Thee, and pressing Thee every which place.
44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee, and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee, instead which not Thou knew the time of thy visitation/episkophV <1984>".

Ezekiel 26:9
‘He will direct his battering rams against your walls, and with his axes he will break down your towers.


Zephaniah 1:16
a day of trumpet blast and battle cry against the fortified cities, and against the high corner towers.


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took a survey of the city and its fortifications ;
and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ;
for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"


https://earlychurchhistory.org/military/the-battering-ram/
Josephus On The Battering Ram


“This [Roman] battering ram is a vast beam of wood like the mast of a ship; its forepart is armed with a thick piece of iron at the head of it which is so carved as to be like the head of a ram, whence its name is taken. This ram is slung in the air by ropes passing over its middle, and is hung like the balance in a pair of scales from another beam and braced by strong beams that pass on both sides of it in the nature of a cross.
When this ram is pulled backward by a great number of men with united force and then thrust forward by the same men, with a mighty noise it batters the walls with that iron part which is prominent;
nor is there any tower so strong or walls so broad that can resist any more than its first batteries.” Josephus, The Jewish War 3.7.19 (c. 78 AD)


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Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Why would Daniel 9:24, once it is entirely fulfilled, not equal restoring again the kingdom to Israel? Any reason why it might not? Let's suppose one agrees that it does equal that. Look at verse 7 in Acts 1 though. If verse 6 was meaning within the next 3.5 years, IOW during the final 3.5 years of the 70th week, why would it not be for them to know that the 70 weeks are almost finished, and when it is, it equals restoring again the kingdom to Israel?

It seems pretty odd to me that the 70 weeks conclude, yet Acts 1:6-7 is not even fulfilled when it concludes.
 
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Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Why would Daniel 9:24, once it is entirely fulfilled, not equal restoring again the kingdom to Israel? Any reason why it might not? Let's suppose one agrees that it does equal that. Look at verse 7 in Acts 1 though. If verse 6 was meaning within the next 3.5 years, IOW during the final 3.5 years of the 70th week, why would it not be for them to know that the 70 weeks are almost finished, and when it is, it equals restoring again the kingdom to Israel?

It seems pretty odd to me that the 70 weeks conclude, yet Acts 1:6-7 is not even fulfilled when it concludes.

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The nation which accepted the "chief cornerstone" is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

Is there any scripture in the New Testament which says the kingdom will be given back to those who reject the "chief cornerstone"?
(1 John 2:22-23)

Daniel 9:24 is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century, among Daniel's people, in the city of Jerusalem, as found confirmed in Acts of the Apostles 10:38, and Hebrews 10:16-18.

Why would any of us think the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant and then failed to even mention the covenant?

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Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The nation which accepted the "chief cornerstone" is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

Is there any scripture in the New Testament which says the kingdom will be given back to those who reject the "chief cornerstone"?
(1 John 2:22-23)

Daniel 9:24 is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century, among Daniel's people, in the city of Jerusalem, as found confirmed in Acts of the Apostles 10:38, and Hebrews 10:16-18.

Why would any of us think the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant and then failed to even mention the covenant?

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Per your understanding, is or is not the fulfilling of Acts 1:6-7 connected to Daniel 9:24?

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression---would the fulfilling of this restore again the kingdom to Israel? If no, why not? If yes, then why did Jesus indicate it wasn't for them to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power?
 
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