70th Week - It Is Still Pending

jgr said:

Here's one of them.

John Nelson Darby
"I do not admit history to be, in any sense, necessary to the understanding of prophecy."

When you reject history, you reject the Christ who stepped into history in Daniel's 70th week to sacrifice Himself to redeem humankind from the ravages and penalties of sin.

To reject history is to accept madness.

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Well, you certainly cannot pin that on me, because I believe in a Post-tribulation return of our Lord Jesus. So what are you left with now? Better to see if one is actually following the Scriptures as written, instead of playing religious politics with seminary labels.

A71 said:

I have no 'problem' Davy.
I 'understand' Daniel 9 fine.

No one ever will understand Daniel unless they leave their baggage at the door. Throw out everything you've been taught, all the garbage you've been inculcated with, and then you can start. The trouble is, Daniel is very complex Davy.

It is complex because God was hiding the timeline.
Why was God hiding the timeline?
The selfsame reason that Jesus spoke in parables.
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Those trying to create a pseudo-Christ ("man of sin") that comes to Jerusalem and places the "abomination of desolation" in the temple in the same era as the Apostles AFTER Titus and the Roman army had destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, are... bringing baggage into the Scriptures, which is ADDING to Scripture.

Once again, the Dan.9:27 period is NOT about a destroyed city and temple. It is about the placing of an abomination idol in a standing temple in Jerusalem.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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Dan 11:31-32
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
KJV

DavidPT said:

I don't understand your point and how it might apply to me? I'm not the one seeing Jesus in verse 27. I take verse 27 to be meaning the AC throughout. I thought you did as well.

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I was basing that on what you said to clarninja in your post #129:

You seem to have His baptism being what the 69 weeks end on. Your position is possible though, since His baptism apparently lead to His 3.5 year ministry, where it seems you are taking that to mean the confirming of the covenant with many, His ministry representing the first half of this 7 years.

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If Jesus did that (underlined above), then it would mean He is the "vile person" of Dan.11, which can never be a possibility.

A71 said:

Daniel 11 pertains to the Greek empire, see verse 2.
The verses you quote pertain to Antiochus.
There are some excellent studies that flesh out the prophecy with the precise historical fulfilments.
Well worth searching out. It took me years of study to get a handle on this stuff.

My understanding of 9:26 is that it is Titus who comes in razes the temple. The abomination was the zeus symbol, the eagle, on the Roman standard. If you read Josephus there is an account of a previous Jewish uprising in Caesarea on account of the Roman standard ... outside a synagogue or something similar

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This verse is a continuation of the period of the "vile person" working from Dan.11:21 forward.

Dan 12:1
12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
KJV

Matt 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

DavidPT said:

Even though I indicated his position might be possible, that's not the same as adopting his position. I like to try and be objective as much as I can.

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True, I like to be objective too, that is, when I haven't yet understood something written. That's when I put it on a shelf until later and make no decision either way.

A71 said:

It's all Greece until v39, and then it continues with the time of the end, i.e. The Roman occupation of Jerusalem which began with Pompey in 63BC and culminated in AD70

I haven't got my notes to hand. Do you want a good historical study? Chittim for instance was Cyprus

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In Matthew 24 when Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel about the "abomination of desolation", He was NOT referring to Greek history, nor Antiochus Epiphanes, who had long since been dead.

Antiochus Epiphanes, as I have said many times, served as a blueprint type for the final Antichrist that will come at the end of this world. But when Jesus quoted Daniel about the "abomination of desolation", one should have enough common sense to know He means that would not be Antiochus to fulfill that, as Antiochus had been dead about 200 years when He said that to His disciples upon the Mount of Olivet.

A71 said:

It's all Greece until v39, and then it continues with the time of the end, i.e. The Roman occupation of Jerusalem which began with Pompey in 63BC and culminated in AD70

I haven't got my notes to hand. Do you want a good historical study? Chittim for instance was Cyprus

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As I've already shown, Jesus quoted from Daniel 11 about the "abomination of desolation", and that was about 200 years AFTER Antiochus IV had died. So you cannot apply a dead man to the one whom Jesus was speaking of 200 years later.

BABerean2 said:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

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In discussions on other posts, I showed how the "desolation" by armies in Luke 21:20 is NOT the same idea as the "abomination of desolation". All one need do is actually read and heed the Daniel 11:31 Scripture to know the difference:

Dan 11:30-32
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
KJV

A71 said:

He was referring to Daniel 9 as you well know.
It was not I that introduced Daniel 11 into the conversation, it was thee

I want to do some other stuff. If you want to engage please use the private conversation feature

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The Dan.9:27 and Dan.11 subject of the covenant and end of sacrifices and placing of the abomination that makes desolate cannot be disconnected. Attempts to isolate either one and apply to different periods is that BAGGAGE adding you were talking about.

No one is holding you here against your will. You come and go as you please. So if you don't want responses to your posts, then don't post.