Not this Israel

shilohsfoal said:

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-11.htm

When Gog invades Israel,he invades a land without walls.An peaceful people who seem unsuspecting.
This is not that people.

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Correct, the current inhabitants of all the holy Land will be gone soon. Only a faithful remnant of Christians will survive in Jerusalem, hiding in bunkers. Isaiah 29:4, Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +
The new nation that will be established there, will be called Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5.
THEY: every born again Christian from every race, nation and language, will live there in peace and prosperity, blessed by God.
The Lord will motivate Gog to attack them, in order for Him to display His saving power to His people. Ezekiel 38:23

keras said:

Correct, the current inhabitants of all the holy Land will be gone soon

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So you all believe God is a liar.

Ezekiel 28:25
Thus says the Lord God, “When I gather the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and will manifest My holiness in them in the sight of the nations, then they will live in their land which I gave to My servant Jacob.”

Dave-W said:

So you all believe God is a liar.

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Making a comment like that, is an indictment against you.

Dave-W said:

Ezekiel 28:25
Thus says the Lord God, “When I gather the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and will manifest My holiness in them in the sight of the nations, then they will live in their land which I gave to My servant Jacob.”

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Please tell us who exactly is the House of Israel today? Do not say they are the citizens of the Jewish State of Israel, they are at the most; only 2/12ths of Israel and are in a small part of the holy Land, in apostasy.
Obviously God has not manifested His Holiness in them, so who and where are the people that will display God's Holiness in all of the holy Land?

The Jews that run this world are indeed warmongers, but they do it through a proxy. Iran has Hezbollah, but Israel has the U.S. The Jewish bankers literally own the U.S. which means the U.S. military is really just the Jewish military. It's sad really how the U.S. has become a slave to Israel. It doesn't matter who the President is. They all have to bow down to Israel or the money taps are shut off.

shilohsfoal said:

Like having control of the most powerful military in the world without it being yours.
https://biblehub.com/daniel/8-24.htm

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At one point in history that was the British and later it became the United States...


How many times is the word "God" used by the main speaker above?

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keras said:

Please tell us who exactly is the House of Israel today?

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The same as they have always been: the physical dependents of Jacob. World wide.

To answer any other way is to fall into the hellish lie of replacement theology.

The Church is NOT the same thing as Israel.

Dave-W said:

The same as they have always been: the physical dependents of Jacob. World wide.

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Remember that Israel split into two Houses, soon after Solomon. Judah remains visible as the Jewish people, but Israel remains scattered among the nations. It is those people, who have lost the truth of their ancestry, who have, in the main, become Christian.

Dave-W said:

To answer any other way is to fall into the hellish lie of replacement theology.

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No one says that the established Church has replaced ethnic Jewish Israel.
What has happened is the continuous line of the faithful people of God, is unbroken; from the Patriarchs to todays born again believers. The Jewish people of the first century could have had the Kingdom, but they rejected it and Jesus took it from them. Matthew 21:43 Now it is people from every tribe [of Israel] race, nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, 1 Peter 2:9-10, who comprise the real Israelites of God.

Your calling the idea of RT an 'hellish lie', shows your bias and lack of understanding about who God wants as His people. Your reaction to RT, is because you must have a people, namely the Jews, on earth while you, the Church, are raptured to heaven during all the difficult times ahead. This is never prophesied to happen.
We must stand firm in our faith and prove our trust in God until Jesus Returns.

keras said:

Judah remains visible as the Jewish people, but Israel remains scattered among the nations.

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Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

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keras said:

It is those people, who have lost the truth of their ancestry, who have, in the main, become Christian.

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Not so. Europe has historically been the center of Christianity. When the 10 tribes we’re carried off, they went east; not north and west. They were scattered across Persia, eastern Russia, Mongolia, China and then looped back to India.

BABerean2 said:

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

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Spoken by Peter and James to JEWS, not gentiles.

keras said:

Your reaction to RT, is because you must have a people, namely the Jews, on earth while you, the Church, are raptured to heaven during all the difficult times ahead. This is never prophesied to happen.

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I do not hold to the pre-trib get out easy rapture card. We all go thru it.

But I also hold that there has to be a believing New Covenant Jewish people (perhaps even IN Jerusalem at the time) in order for our Lord to return to earth.

Dave-W said:

Spoken by Peter and James to JEWS, not gentiles.

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About 3,000 of "all the house of Israel" became the first members of the New Covenant Church, on the Day of Pentecost.

The Gentiles were grafted into the same Body several years later.

In Galatians 3:16-29 the Apostle Paul said there is no Jew or Gentile in the Church.
We are all part of His Body, found in John 10:16.

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Dave-W said:

Not so. Europe has historically been the center of Christianity. When the 10 tribes we’re carried off, they went east; not north and west. They were scattered across Persia, eastern Russia, Mongolia, China and then looped back to India.

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Don't know where you get those ideas. I suppose you think the Pashtuns are them. What a joke!

The lost tribes of Israel will return from the North and the West and some from the Southern countries. {Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.] Isaiah 49:12
They left markers across Europe, the hundreds of dolmens still in existence today. Jeremiah 31:21
But ethnicity has no bearing upon who is a true person of God. Only the faithful believers will enter the promised Land. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 35:1-10
It is just that the people who are actually descended from Jacob will be in the majority, in order for God's promises to the Patriarchs to be fulfilled.