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I've been attending a very small church for a few years. It is not actually the denomination that I consider myself to be, but I go there because overall, I was comfortable with the pastor and the other people there, whereas many of the other nearby churches I tried just weren't a good fit for me. This one was. And because of transportation issues, which I'll mention later.

But the old pastor retired and moved away to another state, and a new one and his family have taken over. Now overall, the new pastor is really good. I do like him, he has good, thought-provoking messages and seems very grounded in the word. But there is one thing about him that is driving me nuts. He is obsessed, and I do mean obsessed, with church attendance.

Don't get me wrong- I do believe in being faithful in attendance, and I'm also happy to see the church growing. It's the methods of this pastor, his family and apparently the actual doctrine of this particular denomination and their use of guilt that I'm not used to, and it's making me feel like I'm a prisoner of them and all their newly added services.

I'm not just talking about Sunday and Wednesday services, which are pretty standard (though under the old pastor there was only Sunday morning service, no weekdays). No, even youth services regardless of your age. Even (get this) children's choir practice- even if you don't sing and have no children, and (get this one now) even BBQ's and volleyball on Saturdays in the summer (which didn't actually happen, but there was talk about it)! I kid you not. He expects everyone in the church to be present every single time there is absolutely anything happening on church property, unless you are practically dying or something. No joke. If the Roto Rooter man is there cleaning out the septic tank he probably expects everyone to be there for it. The old pastor was not like this!

He literally said in a recent sermon, "Our lives revolve around church (services and activities). They don't revolve around the world (meaning jobs, family, etc.)." He comes in, takes over, adds all these new services and activities that didn't exist before, and then expects everyone to alter their schedules accordingly. Now he's been bugging me to talk to my boss and have him change my work hours to accommodate all these new church activities, which is not going to happen. For one thing, in order to change my schedule they would have to change everyone else's schedule too, and that's not really fair to my coworkers.

This is really starting to get on my nerves. Hardly any of his sermons or messages or even Bible studies don't contain some reference to being a faithful church attendant. He actually misuses Scripture to bring home his point, making you feel guilty if you cannot be there for some service or event. He doesn't even approve of people going on vacation if it means they will be gone and miss ANY service or event!

:sigh: :(

I've always been faithful in attendance unless I had a good reason I couldn't make it, or if something came up. I've gone to other very good churches in years past and none of them ever used guilt trips like this. They understood that sometimes people wouldn't be able to make it to some of the services and were fine with it, as long as you always came back regularly and were there when you could be. Also, there wasn't a conflict with my work schedule and church until the new pastor took over and began adding more services and events that didn't exist before. Now because I work until late in the evenings, it means I have to miss some of these. Also, my days off are the only days I can do things like grocery shopping, laundry and other errands because I'm too exhausted from my job to do them on work days. All these added activities are putting a squeeze on my free time to do these things too.

I feel like I've reached a breaking point. Right now they have Sunday and Wednesday services, plus other activities on Tuesdays and now apparently Thursdays. They've been talking about adding even more. Last night I barely slept because I was so stressed out about it!

I know the simplest answer some people might give me is "Find another church!" And some others might agree with him and say to me, "Find another job so you can be there all the time!" But both of these are difficult primarily because I don't drive (I do ride a bike and the bus), and there is no transit service on Sundays, so I need a good church that is close to home. And I need a job that's close to my home for the same reason. I feel trapped, and don't know how to handle this! It has me depressed and feeling stressed and drained.
 

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I've been attending a very small church for a few years. It is not actually the denomination that I consider myself to be, but I go there because overall, I was comfortable with the pastor and the other people there, whereas many of the other nearby churches I tried just weren't a good fit for me. This one was. And because of transportation issues, which I'll mention later.

But the old pastor retired and moved away to another state, and a new one and his family have taken over. Now overall, the new pastor is really good. I do like him, he has good, thought-provoking messages and seems very grounded in the word. But there is one thing about him that is driving me nuts. He is obsessed, and I do mean obsessed, with church attendance.

Don't get me wrong- I do believe in being faithful in attendance, and I'm also happy to see the church growing. It's the methods of this pastor, his family and apparently the actual doctrine of this particular denomination and their use of guilt that I'm not used to, and it's making me feel like I'm a prisoner of them and all their newly added services.

I'm not just talking about Sunday and Wednesday services, which are pretty standard (though under the old pastor there was only Sunday morning service, no weekdays). No, even youth services regardless of your age. Even (get this) children's choir practice- even if you don't sing and have no children, and (get this one now) even BBQ's and volleyball on Saturdays in the summer (which didn't actually happen, but there was talk about it)! I kid you not. He expects everyone in the church to be present every single time there is absolutely anything happening on church property, unless you are practically dying or something. No joke. If the Roto Rooter man is there cleaning out the septic tank he probably expects everyone to be there for it. The old pastor was not like this!

He literally said in a recent sermon, "Our lives revolve around church (services and activities). They don't revolve around the world (meaning jobs, family, etc.)." He comes in, takes over, adds all these new services and activities that didn't exist before, and then expects everyone to alter their schedules accordingly. Now he's been bugging me to talk to my boss and have him change my work hours to accommodate all these new church activities, which is not going to happen. For one thing, in order to change my schedule they would have to change everyone else's schedule too, and that's not really fair to my coworkers.

This is really starting to get on my nerves. Hardly any of his sermons or messages or even Bible studies don't contain some reference to being a faithful church attendant. He actually misuses Scripture to bring home his point, making you feel guilty if you cannot be there for some service or event. He doesn't even approve of people going on vacation if it means they will be gone and miss ANY service or event!

:sigh: :(

I've always been faithful in attendance unless I had a good reason I couldn't make it, or if something came up. I've gone to other very good churches in years past and none of them ever used guilt trips like this. They understood that sometimes people wouldn't be able to make it to some of the services and were fine with it, as long as you always came back regularly and were there when you could be. Also, there wasn't a conflict with my work schedule and church until the new pastor took over and began adding more services and events that didn't exist before. Now because I work until late in the evenings, it means I have to miss some of these. Also, my days off are the only days I can do things like grocery shopping, laundry and other errands because I'm too exhausted from my job to do them on work days. All these added activities are putting a squeeze on my free time to do these things too.

I feel like I've reached a breaking point. Right now they have Sunday and Wednesday services, plus other activities on Tuesdays and now apparently Thursdays. They've been talking about adding even more. Last night I barely slept because I was so stressed out about it!

I know the simplest answer some people might give me is "Find another church!" And some others might agree with him and say to me, "Find another job so you can be there all the time!" But both of these are difficult primarily because I don't drive (I do ride a bike and the bus), and there is no transit service on Sundays, so I need a good church that is close to home. And I need a job that's close to my home for the same reason. I feel trapped, and don't know how to handle this! It has me depressed and feeling stressed and drained.

90% of all churches will come get you if you call and ask..

I would honestly stop attending that church, even if it meant calling around to new churches to see who would get me so that i could visit their church.
 
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I've been attending a very small church for a few years. It is not actually the denomination that I consider myself to be, but I go there because overall, I was comfortable with the pastor and the other people there, whereas many of the other nearby churches I tried just weren't a good fit for me. This one was. And because of transportation issues, which I'll mention later.

But the old pastor retired and moved away to another state, and a new one and his family have taken over. Now overall, the new pastor is really good. I do like him, he has good, thought-provoking messages and seems very grounded in the word. But there is one thing about him that is driving me nuts. He is obsessed, and I do mean obsessed, with church attendance.

Don't get me wrong- I do believe in being faithful in attendance, and I'm also happy to see the church growing. It's the methods of this pastor, his family and apparently the actual doctrine of this particular denomination and their use of guilt that I'm not used to, and it's making me feel like I'm a prisoner of them and all their newly added services.

I'm not just talking about Sunday and Wednesday services, which are pretty standard (though under the old pastor there was only Sunday morning service, no weekdays). No, even youth services regardless of your age. Even (get this) children's choir practice- even if you don't sing and have no children, and (get this one now) even BBQ's and volleyball on Saturdays in the summer (which didn't actually happen, but there was talk about it)! I kid you not. He expects everyone in the church to be present every single time there is absolutely anything happening on church property, unless you are practically dying or something. No joke. If the Roto Rooter man is there cleaning out the septic tank he probably expects everyone to be there for it. The old pastor was not like this!

He literally said in a recent sermon, "Our lives revolve around church (services and activities). They don't revolve around the world (meaning jobs, family, etc.)." He comes in, takes over, adds all these new services and activities that didn't exist before, and then expects everyone to alter their schedules accordingly. Now he's been bugging me to talk to my boss and have him change my work hours to accommodate all these new church activities, which is not going to happen. For one thing, in order to change my schedule they would have to change everyone else's schedule too, and that's not really fair to my coworkers.

This is really starting to get on my nerves. Hardly any of his sermons or messages or even Bible studies don't contain some reference to being a faithful church attendant. He actually misuses Scripture to bring home his point, making you feel guilty if you cannot be there for some service or event. He doesn't even approve of people going on vacation if it means they will be gone and miss ANY service or event!

:sigh: :(

I've always been faithful in attendance unless I had a good reason I couldn't make it, or if something came up. I've gone to other very good churches in years past and none of them ever used guilt trips like this. They understood that sometimes people wouldn't be able to make it to some of the services and were fine with it, as long as you always came back regularly and were there when you could be. Also, there wasn't a conflict with my work schedule and church until the new pastor took over and began adding more services and events that didn't exist before. Now because I work until late in the evenings, it means I have to miss some of these. Also, my days off are the only days I can do things like grocery shopping, laundry and other errands because I'm too exhausted from my job to do them on work days. All these added activities are putting a squeeze on my free time to do these things too.

I feel like I've reached a breaking point. Right now they have Sunday and Wednesday services, plus other activities on Tuesdays and now apparently Thursdays. They've been talking about adding even more. Last night I barely slept because I was so stressed out about it!

I know the simplest answer some people might give me is "Find another church!" And some others might agree with him and say to me, "Find another job so you can be there all the time!" But both of these are difficult primarily because I don't drive (I do ride a bike and the bus), and there is no transit service on Sundays, so I need a good church that is close to home. And I need a job that's close to my home for the same reason. I feel trapped, and don't know how to handle this! It has me depressed and feeling stressed and drained.

What denomination is this?
 
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It's a form of Baptist. Though I do not consider myself to be Baptist.

Most Baptists don't believe you should change your work schedule in order to attend church four or five days a week..

So it's likely a very independent or non denominational kind.
 
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It's a form of Baptist. Though I do not consider myself to be Baptist.

Do you know more specifically? I'd like to research that sect of Baptist.

I would advise you to contact the retired pastor, explain what is happening and ask him for advice or what is the best church in the area to attend.
 
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I don't know how to contact the former pastor. I've had others suggest I leave this church too. I wish I knew a good one in my area.

You can find him pretty easy, unless he's hiding:D
If you want to pm me his name, I'll see if I can locate him. ;)
 
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You can find him pretty easy, unless he's hiding:D
If you want to pm me his name, I'll see if I can locate him. ;)
I'm not sure how to PM you. I went to your profile but couldn't find that option. Although I doubt the old pastor would be able to help much I could still tell you a little more about what's going on and what specific church this is.
 
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I don't know how to contact the former pastor. I've had others suggest I leave this church too. I wish I knew a good one in my area.
Personally I would stop going to that church and let the pastor know why. I would rather be temporarily unchurched than stressed out all the time because of church.

It seems to me that you do have a few choices: You could not go anywhere for a while; you could stay home and tune in to an online service (ours is good); you could find another church close-by (wouldn't a less "adequate" church be better than what you're dealing with now?); you could consider getting a cheap car and increasing your range considerably. I think it's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness (if you know what I mean).
 
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As a Christian my life revolves around God.
NOT church attendance.
This sounds bordering on cultish and I would prefer to not attend church if the only one was as the one you have described.
I realise you have limitations with transport etc but God understands and knows your heart, if for the time being you had to stay at home until you were able to find somewhere else. As stated there are on line churches, sermons you could listen to etc. in the meantime.
God bless you:)
 
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I'm not sure how to PM you. I went to your profile but couldn't find that option. Although I doubt the old pastor would be able to help much I could still tell you a little more about what's going on and what specific church this is.

To pm someone, you click on their icon and select "start conversation"

Just curious, does everyone else like the changes?
 
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Treat it all as a joke.
When you leave after a service, say, 'I see your still worshipping the idol of church, or some similar comment and say I'll see you at what ever service you are planning on attending.'

It is laugh at him or leave.
 
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To pm someone, you click on their icon and select "start conversation"

Just curious, does everyone else like the changes?
When I click on your icon the only options I see are Profile Page, Gift, Follow, Ignore. There is no option for start conversation. Maybe if you can PM me I can reply that way. If you do and I don't respond for a while it's because I've left for work. I get home late. I'd be more than happy to discuss this in more detail privately.
 
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As a Christian my life revolves around God.
NOT church attendance.
This sounds bordering on cultish and I would prefer to not attend church if the only one was as the one you have described.
I very much agree with both of these points. This sounds like a cult in the making, not a church.
 
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I've been attending a very small church for a few years. It is not actually the denomination that I consider myself to be, but I go there because overall, I was comfortable with the pastor and the other people there, whereas many of the other nearby churches I tried just weren't a good fit for me. This one was. And because of transportation issues, which I'll mention later.

But the old pastor retired and moved away to another state, and a new one and his family have taken over. Now overall, the new pastor is really good. I do like him, he has good, thought-provoking messages and seems very grounded in the word. But there is one thing about him that is driving me nuts. He is obsessed, and I do mean obsessed, with church attendance.

Don't get me wrong- I do believe in being faithful in attendance, and I'm also happy to see the church growing. It's the methods of this pastor, his family and apparently the actual doctrine of this particular denomination and their use of guilt that I'm not used to, and it's making me feel like I'm a prisoner of them and all their newly added services.

I'm not just talking about Sunday and Wednesday services, which are pretty standard (though under the old pastor there was only Sunday morning service, no weekdays). No, even youth services regardless of your age. Even (get this) children's choir practice- even if you don't sing and have no children, and (get this one now) even BBQ's and volleyball on Saturdays in the summer (which didn't actually happen, but there was talk about it)! I kid you not. He expects everyone in the church to be present every single time there is absolutely anything happening on church property, unless you are practically dying or something. No joke. If the Roto Rooter man is there cleaning out the septic tank he probably expects everyone to be there for it. The old pastor was not like this!

He literally said in a recent sermon, "Our lives revolve around church (services and activities). They don't revolve around the world (meaning jobs, family, etc.)." He comes in, takes over, adds all these new services and activities that didn't exist before, and then expects everyone to alter their schedules accordingly. Now he's been bugging me to talk to my boss and have him change my work hours to accommodate all these new church activities, which is not going to happen. For one thing, in order to change my schedule they would have to change everyone else's schedule too, and that's not really fair to my coworkers.

This is really starting to get on my nerves. Hardly any of his sermons or messages or even Bible studies don't contain some reference to being a faithful church attendant. He actually misuses Scripture to bring home his point, making you feel guilty if you cannot be there for some service or event. He doesn't even approve of people going on vacation if it means they will be gone and miss ANY service or event!

:sigh: :(

I've always been faithful in attendance unless I had a good reason I couldn't make it, or if something came up. I've gone to other very good churches in years past and none of them ever used guilt trips like this. They understood that sometimes people wouldn't be able to make it to some of the services and were fine with it, as long as you always came back regularly and were there when you could be. Also, there wasn't a conflict with my work schedule and church until the new pastor took over and began adding more services and events that didn't exist before. Now because I work until late in the evenings, it means I have to miss some of these. Also, my days off are the only days I can do things like grocery shopping, laundry and other errands because I'm too exhausted from my job to do them on work days. All these added activities are putting a squeeze on my free time to do these things too.

I feel like I've reached a breaking point. Right now they have Sunday and Wednesday services, plus other activities on Tuesdays and now apparently Thursdays. They've been talking about adding even more. Last night I barely slept because I was so stressed out about it!

I know the simplest answer some people might give me is "Find another church!" And some others might agree with him and say to me, "Find another job so you can be there all the time!" But both of these are difficult primarily because I don't drive (I do ride a bike and the bus), and there is no transit service on Sundays, so I need a good church that is close to home. And I need a job that's close to my home for the same reason. I feel trapped, and don't know how to handle this! It has me depressed and feeling stressed and drained.

Are you not driving because of health issues or why is that? I don't like to be told what to do, so if he tried that with me he would most likely never see me again. I would just watch services online and wait till the pastor leaves.
 
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Are you not driving because of health issues or why is that? I don't like to be told what to do, so if he tried that with me he would most likely never see me again. I would just watch services online and wait till the pastor leaves.
I don't drive because I've never had the chance to learn. Long story, but basically when I was in high school my parents wouldn't allow me to take driving lessons because they didn't want to pay insurance for a teen driver. They always said they'd teach me but never did. I've had several people offer to teach me but nothing much ever came of it. And the driving schools around here where I am now, at least what I've been told, require the student (or parent) to supply a vehicle. I have no one to supply a vehicle.

Whether I could even afford a car on my income (minimum wage) is another story.
 
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If your pastor preaches a solid sermon straight from the Bible I'm sure his intentions for everyone are good.

Although it sounds like he is a little over riding here.

Every time I have changed Churches it has turned out to be a good move.

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If what you are saying is true, then the pastor is being unreasonable. I would even suggest he needs a psychological evaluation from a professional counselor to get at the root of why he is behaving in this way. His behavior comes across as manipulative, controlling, irrational, spiritually abusive, and perhaps even cultish.

If I were you, I would set boundaries. Kindly let the pastor know that it is not possible to meet his church attendance demands, and that it is causing you distress that he is attempting to make you feel guilty about it. You have a life outside of his agenda. If he won't accept that, then he is not fit to be a leader.

It would be wise for you to find a different church to attend or to start a small bible study group in your own home. You don't need to go to a brick and mortar building called a "church" to worship God.
 
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