Catholics persecuted by the USA

i was thinking that there are still some Christian churches that oppose interracial marriage on religious grounds (fortunately very few). If one of those churches would establish an adoption agency and accept government money, would it be acceptable for them to refuse to replace black children with white parents or white children with black parents any children with interracial couples?

devin553344 said:

I saw this news article on CNN's website:

"Supreme Court rejects request from Catholic foster care non-profit that refused to certify married same-sex couples"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/politics/supreme-court-catholic-foster-care/index.html

And I just can't take it anymore, but there appears to be no course of action that will change it, what the heck is wrong with the USA. The country was founded on freedom of religion and separation of church and state.

Why again can't a church foster children and release them to church member parents as a right of religion. It seems like the state is too involved in church affairs.

So now if my beliefs are towards a certain religion and I can no longer take care of my children, I have no right to deliver them to a church member parents that will raise them the way I know is right?

Did I understand that correctly or am I getting something wrong?

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You are absolutely correct in your acertion that America has changed for the worse and no longer honors the constitution. The problems in the world in general and not just America has always been Spiritual in nature. When a nation rejects Christ and His Teachings, that nation will fall. The enemy has grown and the hatred for Christians has been flaunted throughout the media. All we can do is pray for God The Father to lead our leaders. As hard as it may seem to do, we are to pray for our leaders in that they follow Christ.

The group receives city funds

-right from the linked article. That says all that needed said.

NeedyFollower said:

Yes .. i gave up both TV and movies when the Lord Jesus found me about 6 years ago ..there is of course no time when I could be working, praying or ministering while there is still time ( we are told to redeem the time for the days are evil . ) Even the very devout have married God and Country for well over 200 years despite the admonition to not be unequally yoked with unbelievers but we are nation of the unbelievers yoked with the believers under the common cause of country , liberty , and what passes as freedom ...but truthfully I think if we can even be honest ...we are mostly yoked together with unbelievers in the pursuit of money ..thus the higher education and the well paying jobs ....it only cost us the souls of our children ..the destruction of families but I got a NEW CAR and the house with the white picket fence and the thank you Jesus sign in the front yard . I think we have been deceived .

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This is absolutely and altogether true! .. Enticed by desire, lured into sin, that brings forth death (James 1:14-15). In a world without temptation that couldn't possibly happen. But in this world.. How is a person to escape the snare at all? Only by turning away from the temptation. They think TV is harmless, but they do not realise that it is spiritual food, and a pulpit for sin.

lsume said:

You are absolutely correct in your acertion that America has changed for the worse and no longer honors the constitution. The problems in the world in general and not just America has always been Spiritual in nature. When a nation rejects Christ and His Teachings, that nation will fall. The enemy has grown and the hatred for Christians has been flaunted throughout the media. All we can do is pray for God The Father to lead our leaders. As hard as it may seem to do, we are to pray for our leaders in that they follow Christ.

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I agree. The answer is prayer.

devin553344 said:

Yeah I would resign I think then if I couldn't rule against same sex marriage laws legally. And that would be morally true to God for me. I would have an obligation to teach same sex people that it is incorrect.

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This is a strange and selfish thing to say. Is there only one problem in the world? Are there not more serious crimes to deal with that same sex couples? If you resigned from such an important post because you lost one battle then you didn’t understand why you were put there in the first place.

In a political agenda for Democrats meeting many years ago the issue of benefits for same sex couples was discussed and voted on. I was the lone vote against it. I for saw then that homosexuality would be a main weapon that the left would use against Christians in the days to come. Make no mistake, Antichrist is working through politics to build a case against Christians. We are seeing a combination of communism and Islam taking power. Communism like secularism pretends there is no God. In truth they are subject to Satan but most don't know it. If you read the writings of Albert Pike you will learn the overall plan.

devin553344 said:

Yeah I see your point. And still remains a huge moral dilemma about denying Christ. Do we deny Christ and his teachings to serve country or win a fight?

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I think conservative Christians are manufacturing feelings of persecution. It's not persecution to expect Christians to treat everyone right. When non-Christians get upset at Christians for doing so, it's not the anti-Christ or Satan turning them against the Church. It's the Church by its own non-Christian actions interfering with its own witness.

devin553344 said:

Treat everyone right. The Bible says I should kill gay people and then God won't judge me for it: Are you saying I should treat them right and kill them?

Leviticus: {20:13} If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

I would spend the rest of my life in prison if I treated gay people right by God. And I'm just not going to let gay people do that to me. And that's the USA, they are gay people apparently and denying Christ.

Maybe I'm more like Moses and would kill the dancing naked slaves that deny God saved them from Egypt? That's my moral position although I'm not going to kill anyone because it's against my countries laws. But perhaps you see my point Christianically?

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The anti-Christ doesn't have much work to do to convince people there's something wrong with Christianity.

devin553344 said:

Yeah I see your point. And still remains a huge moral dilemma about denying Christ. Do we deny Christ and his teachings to serve country or win a fight?

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I think we forget too easily that adultery is also a terrible sexual sin biblically on the same level as homosexuality. We survive it somehow when we see it in our Christian communities. We are in the world and but not of the world. How graciously we handle subtle persecution matters. The question really is are we going to preach the good news using the avenues we have left or are we going to whine about the injustices and spread hate?

devin553344 said:

Did I understand that correctly or am I getting something wrong?

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Yes you have it wrong. Because they receive money from the government they must follow the law.

Separation of church and state means that the govt can not favour one religion over another. You have the right to your views. You have the right to practice your beliefs. You do not have the right to impose your beliefs on others.

devin553344 said:

Anti-christ is a term used to say that a people deny Christ. But Jesus said homosexuals can be killed by Christians and the Christian will not go to hell:

Leviticus 20:13
John 14:9-14

Are you saying I'm denying Christ? And then what biblical proof do you have?

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That commandment was given to the holy nation of Israel, who had seen God's mighty power and who were of a holy seed. The commandment was given to maintain the purity of that holiness by purging sin from it's midst as soon as the sin crept among them (Deuteronomy 21:21). This judgement cannot be applied in the modern world, in general, because other judgements of Torah are more likely to condemn the one who is condemning the homosexual (eg: Jonah 4:10-11, Ezekiel 18:21). This is a result of the rejection of Messiah 2,000 years ago.. that the true light came into the world, but the world did not receive Him and they chose darkness instead (John 12:35). Now as a result of that, creation has been subjected to futility until the day when the sons of God are revealed (Romans 8:20, Daniel 9:26, Matthew 26:42). So these days when the knowledge of God is so scarce and the churches are so full of apostasy (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 2 Peter 2:2), it is not righteous to condemn a homosexual for their homosexuality (because it is Christ who condemns: Romans 8:34, Romans 2:1-13). In any case, the judgement can only be applied against a person who is a member of the holy nation - the commandments were not given to Israel to exercise against the Gentiles, but to instruct them in how to be and remain a holy nation - a law that the church is resoundingly unfit to wield!

I can't imagine it would be in childrens' best interest to restrict their guardianship from their parents choice of brethren. I agree with you being worried as children are selecting and giving in to claims of abuse by parents in being restricted from sexual interactions and involvements. States are engineering (producing) families, inclusive of a factor of allowing such involvements subject to influences. That Pennsylvania. might be one.

devin553344 said:

I saw this news article on CNN's website:

"Supreme Court rejects request from Catholic foster care non-profit that refused to certify married same-sex couples"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/politics/supreme-court-catholic-foster-care/index.html

And I just can't take it anymore, but there appears to be no course of action that will change it, what the heck is wrong with the USA. The country was founded on freedom of religion and separation of church and state.

Why again can't a church foster children and release them to church member parents as a right of religion. It seems like the state is too involved in church affairs.

So now if my beliefs are towards a certain religion and I can no longer take care of my children, I have no right to deliver them to a church member parents that will raise them the way I know is right?

Did I understand that correctly or am I getting something wrong?

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Hank77 said:

You got it very wrong. The RCC can still faliciate adoptions in accordance with their faith, anyone can.
But, because of 'Separation of Church and State' they cannot receive federal funding and refuse to adopt to same-sex couples, etc.
They have been working with the government's foster care system and receiving government funding.

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That is right. As soon as government gives you money, they own you.
The moment that churches go into leagues with the government, they sell their soul to that devil. The devil dictates the terms to his dependants, and not the other way around.

Dan the deacon said:

If they Can't afford it (which I do not believe) then they are not able. Why would the Church take on something they cannot afford?
I.attend a fairly small church and we could fund a few children and if our leadership.got involved quite a few more.
I.have no idea why the state would consider a same.sex couple as being healthy for a child.

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The State follows a secular orthodoxy that is libertine. Absolute freedom for sexuality in all its forms is the higher good in the current hierarchy of values.
We give our money to the government, and they dictate what we have to do to get a little bit of it back.

devin553344 said:

Yeah if I was a judge I would rule for my freedom of religion over freedom of sexual expression.

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I really don't understand this idea that the only way I can be free is if other people aren't. Why am I the only person who gets to enjoy the liberties of living in a free society?

-CryptoLutheran

I think everytime Conservative Christians want to scream persecution about stuff like this they should play a little game. Imagine that the Christians were Muslims and that the LGBT people were Christians. IF you think the government would do the right thing by punishing the Muslims in that situation, then you shouldn't complain. Christians aren't immune to the law.