Influences of stars on earth..such as neutrinos

RealityCheck01 · Aug 19, 2018

dad said:
Well, didn't you claim the Greeks added stars? Be clear.

20 August 2018 dad: A clear lie when I have stated the facts several times.
There is no list of the stars in the Hebrew "Orion" constellation.
There is Hebrew astronomy where "Only a few stars and constellations are named individually in the Hebrew Bible, and their identification is not certain.". The Bible only identifies the stars in an rope which I assume is Orion's belt.
Ancient Greek astronomy has a large literature containing names of stars and constellations.

25 July 2018 dad: The Hebrew "fool" constellation is not conclusively the Greek "hunter" constellation

RealityCheck01 · Aug 19, 2018

dad said:
So when you add in the claim that it was from millions and billions of light years away, we all should remember that has zero to do with neutrinos and light getting here in slightly different times!

Wow - you finally understand something, dad!
The point of 15 August 2018 dad : An abysmally ignorant question - the delay says nothing about distance. was that even if we did not know the distances to the neutrinos and light sources, the delay still shows that the physics involved at their sources is the same as the physics here .

RealityCheck01 · Aug 19, 2018

dad said:
You seem to ignore the fact that the light from stars is only seen here.

20 August 2018 dad: A "seem to ignore the fact that the light from stars is only seen here" lie when I have stated that several times.

Theses questions are about the detection here:
31 July 2018 dad: Explain how light and neutrino pulses traveling through SN1987A and TXS 0506+056 does not cause a time delay as their known properties say they must.

31 July 2018 dad: Explain how travelling from SN1987A and TXS 0506+056 causes a time delay between light and neutrino pulses.
and start with

We detect that light and neutrino pulses arrive here from SN1987A and TXS 0506+056. We detect that the neutrino pulses arrive and then the light pulses arrive. We know that how light and neutrinos interact with matter which will cause the delay that we measure.

RealityCheck01 · Aug 19, 2018

dad said:
When you claim it took billions or millions of years to get here, distance enters the picture.

20 August 2018 dad: Back to a delusion of "distance enters the picture"
The distance is not my claim, it is the measured distances to the sources of the neutrinos and light. The OP has an astronomer stating the distance to 1 source. Wikipedia has the distance to SN1987A. The scientific literature has those distances.

20 July 2018 dad: A lie that the distance to the supernova or blazer is part of my claim.
20 July 2018 dad: Repeats the lie that mentioning "millions of light years away" means anything about the path of light and neutrinos within a star.

One last time: Distance is never used (never enters the picture :doh:

), it is the delay in the arrival time of pulses that tells us that they were delayed at the source which physics we measure here predicts. The prediction is that neutrino pulses will arrive before light pulses. The measurement is that neutrino pulses arrive before light pulses.

dad · Aug 20, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
A growing list of items of unaddressed ignorance, fantasy and some lies (60 items)

10 items of scientific evidence that time runs about the same rate in far space as it does in the Solar System.

Spamming the defeated off tangent list that you were asked to show even applied in any remote way to the issue of the nature of time itself in deep space. What a sad joke.

dad · Aug 20, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
There is no list of the stars in the Hebrew "Orion" constellation.
There is Hebrew astronomy where "Only a few stars and constellations are named individually in the Hebrew Bible, and their identification is not certain.". The Bible only identifies the stars in an rope which I assume is Orion's belt.
Ancient Greek astronomy has a large literature containing names of stars and constellations.

25 July 2018 dad: The Hebrew "fool" constellation is not conclusively the Greek "hunter" constellation

Can you prove that the Greeks or others did not build on what was already known, and worked with that?

dad · Aug 20, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
A "seem to ignore the fact that the light from stars is only seen here" lie when I have stated that several times.

Great. So feel free to comment on the view FROM the fishbowl I guess.

dad · Aug 20, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
20 August 2018 dad: Back to a delusion of "distance enters the picture"
The distance is not my claim, it is the measured distances to the sources of the neutrinos and light. The OP has an astronomer stating the distance to 1 source. Wikipedia has the distance to SN1987A. The scientific literature has those distances.

First you say distance is no issue, then list two sources for religious distances.

RealityCheck01 · Aug 23, 2018

dad said:
Spamming the defeated off tangent list that you were asked to show even applied in any remote way to the issue of the nature of time itself in deep space. What a sad joke.

24 August 2018 dad: Repeats the lie that I have not shown that the list is evidence that the nature of time is the same outside of the Solar System

24 August 2018 dad: A lie of a "defeated" list when no evidence or even coherent argument against the items has been produced.
Ignorant fantasies about time do not defeat anything.

A growing list of 60 items of unaddressed ignorance, fantasy and some lies includes
8 August 2018 dad: Repeats his lie that I have not explained any of the points in the evidence that time passes as normal outside of the Solar System.

RealityCheck01 · Aug 23, 2018

dad said:
Can you prove that the Greeks or others did not build on what was already known, and worked with that?

24 August 2018 dad: An idiotic "prove that the Greeks or others ..." question.
If the Greeks added everything except the Hebrew fool's rope then your OP will be a lie because it will only have the Greek additions - the club (bow in your OP) of the giant Greek hunter.

My post was: 20 August 2018 dad: A clear lie when I have stated the facts several times.
referring back to: 25 July 2018 dad: The Hebrew "fool" constellation is not conclusively the Greek "hunter" constellation.

It is probable that the Greeks did not know about the Hebrew constellation because they gave it a different name and an obviously different structure (a giant Greek hunter rather than a fool) .

RealityCheck01 · Aug 23, 2018

dad said:
First you say distance is no issue, then list two sources for religious distances.

24 August 2018 dad: A "religious distances" delusion.
Distances to stars and galaxies raphe measured using science, e.g. the simple geometry behind parallax in the cosmic distance ladder.

20 August 2018 dad: Back to a delusion of "distance enters the picture"
20 July 2018 dad: A lie that the distance to the supernova or blazer is part of my claim.
20 July 2018 dad: Repeats the lie that mentioning "millions of light years away" means anything about the path of light and neutrinos within a star.

RealityCheck01 · Aug 23, 2018

dad said:
If we look at the Archer, and his bow in the heavens (Orion) and draw an arrow exactly where the archer's fingers would hold the arrow to shoot...we get the exact source of the neutrinos!!! Shooting right to earth!

Missed a probable fantasy in the OP.
That arrow cannot give the "exact source of the neutrinos" because it is a line, not a point! It may cross the source of the neutrinos. However look at the rest of the thread which is full of fantasies. This may be yet another fantasy.

TXS 0506+056: "Its approximate location on the sky is off the left shoulder of the constellation Orion".
Orion is a hunter not an archer. Orion supposed to carry a club.

Stretching north from Betelgeuse are the stars that make up Orion's club. Mu Orionis marks the elbow, Nu and Xi mark the handle of the club, and Chi1 and Chi2 mark the end of the club. Just east of Chi1 is the Mira-type variable red giant U Orionis.

The Orion myth involves a bow (his death by the bow of Artemis) and seems to leak into descriptions of the constellation.

dad · Aug 24, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
24 August 2018 dad: Repeats the lie that I have not shown that the list is evidence that the nature of time is the same outside of the Solar System

Since you have failed to show how any one of the off tangent points in the list even relates to what time is like in far space, your list is evidence for nothing except your lack of grasp on the core issues of the debate.

dad · Aug 24, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
Distances to stars and galaxies raphe measured using science, e.g. the simple geometry behind parallax in the cosmic distance ladder.
.

The ladder starts with parallax, which uses huge swaths of space (therefore of time also) from our solar system and treats it strictly as space alone. As I said..religious twaddle.

dad · Aug 24, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
That arrow cannot give the "exact source of the neutrinos" because it is a line, not a point! It may cross the source of the neutrinos.

Well, it was pinpointed to a coordinate in the Orion system. Now tell us why you call that a line rather than a point?

TXS 0506+056: "Its approximate location on the sky is off the left shoulder of the constellation Orion".
Orion is a hunter not an archer. Orion supposed to carry a club.

OK, that is fine. The impact and effect from that star system area comes from the arm then. That work for you?

The Orion myth involves a bow (his death by the bow of Artemis) and seems to leak into descriptions of the constellation.

Whatever. If we picture it as a bow, then it could be the hand of the archer where the neutrinos come from. If we picture it as a shield, then we could say it comes from the arm of the guy holding the shield. In any case we get influences from that hand or arm area!

RealityCheck01 · Aug 29, 2018

dad said:
Since ....

24 August 2018 dad: Repeats the lie that I have not shown that the list is evidence that the nature of time is the same outside of the Solar System

A growing list of 60 items of unaddressed ignorance, fantasy and some lies includes
8 August 2018 dad: Repeats his lie that I have not explained any of the points in the evidence that time passes as normal outside of the Solar System.

RealityCheck01 · Aug 29, 2018

dad said:
The ladder starts with parallax, which uses huge swaths of space (therefore of time also) from our solar system and treats it strictly as space alone. As I said..religious twaddle.

30 August 2018 dad: Ignorance and lie about parallax with a "religious twaddle" delusion.
The cosmic distance ladder starts with measuring the AU.
A" treats it strictly as space alone" lie when parallax is about the change in position of background stars with time, e.g. 6 months between terrestrial observations.
The cosmic distance ladder is valid science.

RealityCheck01 · Aug 29, 2018

dad said:
Well, it was pinpointed to a coordinate in the Orion system. Now tell us why you call that a line rather than a point?

30 August 2018 dad: A ignorant question when the line (arrow from an imaginary bow) fantasy is what he wrote.
An imaginary arrow of an imaginary length from an imaginary bow does not give any "exact source".

dad said:
The impact and effect from that star system area comes from the arm then.

30 August 2018 dad: An ignorant "comes from the arm" assertion.
TXS 0506+056: "Its approximate location on the sky is off the left shoulder of the constellation Orion". That could be floating off the left shoulder.

30 August 2018 dad: Back to a delusion that the Hebrew "fool" constellation is holding a bow or a shield.
All we know about the Hebrew "fool" constellation is that there was a rope or belt which is probably Orion's belt because that is distinctive ("Kesîl" appears as a constellation and as a fool, e.g. Proverbs 10:1).

dad · Aug 29, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
... lie that I have not explained any of the points in the evidence that time passes as normal outside of the Solar System.

Here is point 2 in your list.

The fact that stars exist says that time is running there. The fact that stars obey the laws of physics as determined shows that time is running at the same rate.

How does the existence of a star prove time is the same there? Ridiculous claim. As for physics, we do only see the light here, so naturally it obeys our physics.

dad · Aug 29, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
30 August 2018 dad: Ignorance and lie about parallax with a "religious twaddle" delusion.
The cosmic distance ladder starts with measuring the AU.
A" treats it strictly as space alone" lie when parallax is about the change in position of background stars with time, e.g. 6 months between terrestrial observations.
The cosmic distance ladder is valid science.

Denying time exists with space here in the solar system is not an opinion you can back up. The triangle has three sides and one of the sides is the base line. That line is here and so cannot be made to equal a line drawn to a star. Not unless we know space and time existed at all points. Just putting a date on rabid diatribes and inserting the word lie does not give credence to your weak position and religion.

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