So what happens next? Here are 11 predictions, and some marching orders

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I've been as furious as most Catholics about our "summer of shame" and I've spouted off on Twitter and elsewhere. I've also read lots of other people's comments of fury and frustration. We have to be honest and admit that much of the fury is not only about the sex abuse and cover ups, but it is pent up rage and frustration among conservative Catholics who feel marginalized by progressives at this stage...

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Thanks for posting all the info you post, Michie, but especially thanks for posting this right now.

I'm really struggling with how to handle this, in addition to other things going on in my life.
 
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I'm glad you find it useful. I guess it is my way of working through it as well.
Thanks for posting all the info you post, Michie, but especially thanks for posting this right now.

I'm really struggling with how to handle this, in addition to other things going on in my life.
 
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I did an internet search last night about the sex abuse scandal and ran across one article that actually described the current state of affairs in the Catholic Church as a civil war between conservatives and moderates.
 
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I did an internet search last night about the sex abuse scandal and ran across one article that actually described the current state of affairs in the Catholic Church as a civil war between conservatives and moderates.

That's interesting phrasing: "conservatives and moderates." That means that neither side is progressive or liberal. It basically says that you're either a moderate or an extremist. That kind of language is biased in and of itself.


I rather see it as a conflict between the orthodox and the reformers.
 
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That's interesting phrasing: "conservatives and moderates." That means that neither side is progressive or liberal. It basically says that you're either a moderate or an extremist. That kind of language is biased in and of itself.
Those may or may not have been the terms in the article, but I see nothing wrong with the terms. I recall for certain that Pope Francis was described as a moderate back when he was Archbishop and in the running when Benedict was elected. It seems that many Traditionalists prefer that term instead of conservative. Maybe some Progressives prefer that term to moderate? Regardless of which words you use, the meaning is essentially the same. The core question remains, is the Catholic Church in the midst of a major struggle between two camps?
 
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For me at least, it is irrelevance

I hate what these people have done to the name of the church, but I accept that all people are sinners, which is why Jesus came, and because it is a massive organisation it will have more sinners than most, and so inevitably in higher places in hierarchy.

I also observe all organisations have the same problem from premier ship soccer clubs, to top entertainers, to scouts, swimming clubs , schools , orphanages and all other churches, every single one of them only in proportion to size. Anglicanism is going through the same pains at present. These vile creatures will find their way in to any organisation that deals with children. Fortunately as all get wiser to the problem, they find better ways to deal with it. Indeed most of the catholic cases are old.Now to get into any even lay position - training and screening is involved about that very issue.

So what of others? It is beyond possibility that some in power in the television stations knew the claims made against Jimmy Saville, and they failed to take action. Damned if they do, damned if they dont. Indeed the BBC was simultaneously attacked at one point, for doing something and also for doing nothing! Which proves little else except people just love attacking the BBC for anything they can, which is also true of the catholic church. Although it does have a case to answer. Elsewhere you see that coaches at swimming clubs have been "moved on" rather than answer the case. Which is hard to prove at the best of times.

Going back to an earlier era in RC where the hierarchy were chosen as godly men, with no background or training in management, they were ill prepared for managing the accusations , they trusted too much, and that led to the spiral of cover up. .
Nor are accusations proof. Just recently a man was prosecuted who claimed to be a victim of abuse in a politician so called paedophile ring which never was, and was proven his account could be proven false on who was wehre on what dates. . So just because accusations are made does not make them true. Cliff richards life was made a misery - because of alleged paedophilia, no action was taken. So how dare they name him, and how dare the police leak the search warrant so it was filmed on helicopter? The accused have rights as well. Not that police leaks would lead you to believe that!



Much as our critics would like to pretend,. there is no easy answer.

But back to the issue - the catholic church is the church. As Jesus appointed. We have to accept that the "gates of hell will not prevail against it", and the hand that has guided its existence for two thousand years will guide it through these troubling times.

It is true that much of the population and the press like to see this as payback to silence a church which has fought the present secular hedonism.
So the press loves to despise us. And will publicise all that it can.

It is a sobering thought that an irish report on paedophilia condemned the occurence in both church and secular orphanages, but pointed out that is DWARFED by the amount of paedophilia in the childs own home, by people they know.
I do not hear the press reporting that the family is the least safe place - only how the church is evil.

All we can do is trust in our Lord.

If our Lord wants a new pope, he will see to it.

I've been as furious as most Catholics about our "summer of shame" and I've spouted off on Twitter and elsewhere. I've also read lots of other people's comments of fury and frustration. We have to be honest and admit that much of the fury is not only about the sex abuse and cover ups, but it is pent up rage and frustration among conservative Catholics who feel marginalized by progressives at this stage...

Continued below.
https://dwightlongenecker.com/the-sex-abuse-crisis-get-real/
 
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Those may or may not have been the terms in the article, but I see nothing wrong with the terms. I recall for certain that Pope Francis was described as a moderate back when he was Archbishop and in the running when Benedict was elected. It seems that many Traditionalists prefer that term instead of conservative. Maybe some Progressives prefer that term to moderate? Regardless of which words you use, the meaning is essentially the same. The core question remains, is the Catholic Church in the midst of a major struggle between two camps?

Bishop Bergoglio was a moderate
But Bishop Bergoglio had to answer to Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, so it was advantageous to be more moderate.
Pope Francis has no such restraints and is thus more Progressive
 
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