transgression of desolation vs abomination of desolation

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How can it be before?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

The brethren adressed here are obviously meaning the saved. If Paul thought that they would not even be present when the DOTL initially begins, why then is Paul saying what he says in verse 4? You don't find it silly to be told about that day not overtaking you as a thief, that being because you won't even be here to see that day? The way that day can or cannot overtake one as a thief though, it requires the ones not overtaken as a thief, to still be present when that day initially begins. Otherwise Paul is making a ridiculous point in verse 4.
What Paul is really saying is that in one moment of time (the moment after the dead in Christ rise) two different people groups get two different results:
Those in Christ get raptured and get to "live together with Him."
Those in darkness get God's wrath, Paul's "sudden destruction" and the start of the Day of the Lord.
In short Paul is showing us that the rapture will be the trigger for the Day of the Lord and God's wrath. Just for comaprison, the 70th week will start with the next or 7th seal. So Paul's rapture certainly comes before the 70th week or as many people say, the trib.
 
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Antiochus, 160 years before Jesus, is the time of the end?

That makes zero sense. I am connecting the parts of Daniel 8 regarding the little horn to time of the end because it says so in the text.



12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Antiochus was a TYPE of the future Antichrist Beast.
 
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Absolutely nothing.

That is the point.

You are connecting Daniel chapter 8 to the future, when it was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes during 167 BC.

It has nothing to do with Daniel chapter 9.
Finally! Something we agree on! God job!
 
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And concerning the 'deadly wound' of Revelation...

Rev 13:3
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
KJV

The "deadly wound" is not upon the Antichrist. It's upon one of the seven heads of Rev.13 which are seven mountains according to our Lord in Rev.17.



Rev 13:12
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
KJV

The first beast of Rev.13 is a kingdom beast. This second beast is an entity, a person, i.e., the Antichrist. He will exercise all the power of the first beast kingdom which will have ten horns (ten kings), seven heads, and ten crowns. The suggestion is that this "another beast" Antichrist will come to heal the deadly wound.


(Personally, I believe this deadly wound will be about Jerusalem for the end with the "league" the vile person (Antichrist) of Dan.11 will make. It represents a seven year peace plan for Jerusalem that will require the pseudo-Christ to heal.)


Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

KJV

The seven heads = seven mountains. Thus it's pointing to the seven heads being about geographic locations on earth. And there's a deadly wound upon one of those seven areas. I believe it will be Jerusalem for the end prior to our Lord Jesus' return.



Rev 17:1
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:

KJV

Rev 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

KJV

The great harlot sits upon the seven mountains per Rev.17:9, and the symbol of waters is also given in that, and are defined as peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. So the seven mountains represent basically the areas of the earth divided up by the nations. One of those seven areas will suffer the "deadly wound" and it is then healed with the showing up of the "another beast" (Antichrist).
I personally think the deadly wound could very well be Iraq being destroyed by the US and its king put to death. Iraq is the present day Babylon.
 
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The transgression of desolation is in the bible, it is not a theory. And it takes place in the end times.

What you have, instead, is a theory that falls out of sequence of not following historic 70 AD destruction of the city and sanctuary.

In Daniel 9, you will find that Daniel himself was praying about his people "transgressing" the covenant.

11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

What does the person in 2thessalonians2:4 do?

4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

So that act is the transgression of desolation in the end times in Daniel 8:12-17.
Sorry, Daniel 8 is ancient history! There is very little there to even hint of the future. However, Antiochus was a TYPE of the antichrist because he did something very similar to what will come in the future: an image erected in the most holy place. "TYPE" is the hint of the future.
 
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A "theory" is something that has not been proven.
Einstein's theory of Relativity was proven the first time an atomic bomb exploded.
It is no longer just a theory. It is a confirmed fact.

We can prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that the Gospel was taken first to the Jewish people for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles, based on the New Testament scripture.
Therefore, it is not a "theory".

Scholars have found 4 Passovers in the New Testament during the earthly ministry of Christ.
Therefore, we know His earthly ministry lasted for about 3 1/2 years.

We know that during the beginning of His ministry in Matthew 10:5-7 Christ commanded that the Gospel be taken to "the house of Israel".
The focus of His ministry was mainly to Israel.
This lasted for about 3 1/2 years.
Romans 1:16 says that the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews.

Paul was converted after the Day of Pentecost and after Stephen was stoned.
Therefore, we know it was at least several months after Christ was crucified.

In Galatians 1:14-18 Paul reveals that he did not go up to see Peter until about 3 years after his conversion.

A person does not need a calculator to see that the Gospel was taken to the Jews for about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles, based on the text of the New Testament.
The only way to get around this fact is by ignoring the text.

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Many on these threads seem comfortable in ignoring the text! Especially the texts that speak against their pet theories.
 
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The 1599 Geneva Bible addressed that issue below.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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And yet, millions believe - for good reason - that this verse speaks of events in OUR future.
 
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The 1599 Geneva Bible addressed that issue below.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Sorry, the Geneva bible got it wrong here. We have 500 more years of history than they had. Many commentators have things in Revelation off. This covenant to be confirmed is still future to us today. Believe it our miss out on God's planned escape.
 
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Over speculations Douggg.

The "day of the Lord" does NOT begin in the middle of the 70th week. The "day of the Lord" event begins on the FINAL DAY of this present world, the day of Christ's return to do battle against all His adversaries. That is when the "day of the Lord" will come 'as a thief in the night', burning man's works off the earth according to 2 Peter 3:10-12.

The rapture will happen on that FINAL DAY of this world when Jesus comes. This is why on the 6th Vial, our Lord Jesus is still... warning His Church on earth that He comes "as a thief" (Rev.16:15). The very next verse is the battle of Armageddon and the 7th Vial.

The Antichrist is not killed, and then made alive again. That's made up by those who cannot understand that the deadly wound is about one of the seven heads of the beast kingdom, i.e., a location on earth, as Jesus defined the seven heads as seven mountains.
Here we go, IGNORING texts and creating theory out of thin air. Why not just believe John - that THE DAY begins at the 6th seal, before the "book" is even opened to reveal the rest of the week? It is JESUS that comes in the middle of the week, for the rapture, which will trigger THE DAY. Go and read in in 1 Thes. 5.

I agree with you on the wounded head
 
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I am amazed at the complexity folks entangle themselves in trying to force wild theories and gaps into scripture. And then rip the rest of the bible apart seeking out "proof texts", wrenched from their context.

Just go with letting scripture interpret scripture. And only believe what scripture clearly states. It is that simple.
 
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Sorry, Daniel 8 is ancient history! There is very little there to even hint of the future. However, Antiochus was a TYPE of the antichrist because he did something very similar to what will come in the future: an image erected in the most holy place. "TYPE" is the hint of the future.
It is in the text - time of the end. It is not a "hint". It is a declaration.

The little horn in Daniel 8 and Daniel 7 is the same person.

Antiochus is in Daniel 11, not Daniel 8. In Daniel 11, Antiochus is not time of the end. Time of the end in Daniel 11 begins in verse 36 with the beast, who in that verse is claiming to be higher than every god. And not regarding the God of his fathers - because he is a Jew, who forsakes the covenant not to have any other gods than the One True God.

Antiochus was not a type of the Antichrist - as Antiochus was never the King of Israel.

You could say that Antiochus committed the similar act that the beast (King of the Roman Empire ) will commit in the end times, the setting up a statue image of himself (Antiochus claimed to be the incarnation of Zeus in human form) - the abomination of desolation.

Antichrist - King of Israel (illegitimate)
little horn, beast - King of the Roman Empire (the EU in the end times)

same person in different roles.
 
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Many on these threads seem comfortable in ignoring the text! Especially the texts that speak against their pet theories.

The historical true Christian Church ignored the text with pet theories for over 1,800 years.

Imagine that.

And dispens do.
 
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This covenant to be confirmed is still future to us today.

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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The way that day can or cannot overtake one as a thief though, it requires the ones not overtaken as a thief, to still be present when that day initially begins. Otherwise Paul is making a ridiculous point in verse 4.
Not to be overtaken by that day means a person has to know what is going on and expecting the rapture. It does not mean that someone has to present the day the event takes place.

Paul is not saying to look forward to the Day of the Lord because on that day the rapture will take place.

The message is be vigilant to the times: live as a Christian should as Jesus said to do in the messages to the church's until he comes; and trust in the Lord to save you from the time of trouble that will overtake the world like a flood.
 
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Not to be overtaken by that day means a person has to know what is going on and expecting the rapture. It does not mean that someone has to present the day the event takes place.

Paul is not saying to look forward to the Day of the Lord because on that day the rapture will take place.

The message is be vigilant to the times: live as a Christian should as Jesus said to do in the messages to the church's until he comes; and trust in the Lord to save you from the time of trouble that will overtake the world like a flood.


katalambano
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from kata - kata 2596 and lambanw - lambano 2983; to take eagerly, i.e. seize, possess, etc. (literally or figuratively):--apprehend, attain, come upon, comprehend, find, obtain, perceive, (over-)take.


This is what 'overtake' means in 1 Thessalonians 5: 4 according to Strong's. IMO 'come upon' seems to fit the verse.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should come upon you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.


The rapture can't precede the DOTL. But if the rapture does, which would then lead the world into utter chaos if that happens before the DOTL, why then are they saying peace and safety before the DOTL? It doesn't fit reality. Planes would be falling out of the sky if the pilots are some of the saved, thus raptured. There would be major car accidents worldwide when drivers are no longer behind the wheel. And if millions vanish into thin air like this, the fear throughout the world would be unreal. Yet the Bible depicts no such scene prior to the DOTL. It indicates they shall be sayng peace and safety instead. At least that's what Paul says anyway.
 
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katalambano
kat-al-am-ban'-o
from kata - kata 2596 and lambanw - lambano 2983; to take eagerly, i.e. seize, possess, etc. (literally or figuratively):--apprehend, attain, come upon, comprehend, find, obtain, perceive, (over-)take.


This is what 'overtake' means in 1 Thessalonians 5: 4 according to Strong's. IMO 'come upon' seems to fit the verse.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should come upon you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.


The rapture can't precede the DOTL. But if the rapture does, which would then lead the world into utter chaos if that happens before the DOTL, why then are they saying peace and safety before the DOTL? It doesn't fit reality. Planes would be falling out of the sky if the pilots are some of the saved, thus raptured. There would be major car accidents worldwide when drivers are no longer behind the wheel. And if millions vanish into thin air like this, the fear throughout the world would be unreal. Yet the Bible depicts no such scene prior to the DOTL. It indicates they shall be sayng peace and safety instead. At least that's what Paul says anyway.

Have you ever fired a gun? How long after the trigger pull that the gun goes off? It is a very very short time! But the time between the Dead in Christ rising and the start of the Day of the Lord will probably be even shorter. So those events you describe will actually be a part of the DAY, not a part of the rapture.

The Sun turning dark and the moon into blood may well be the first sign seen. But then, have we not already seen these recently? And it will be peace and safety before the rapture: then suddenly, with no warning, the trumpet will sound and the dead in Christ will fly up out of the ground, causing a worldwide earthquake, unlike this world has ever seen! But just a moment later, when those in Christ just begin to feel the earth shake, they are changed and caught up - whole those left behind cannot escape this sudden destruction earthquake. Many will die in this quake, so many will die in the opening seconds of the Day of the Lord. And Paul tells us this sudden destruction will start the Wrath of God. He hints strongly that it will start the Day of the Lord. So we have:
dead in Christ rising
start of sudden destruction earthquake
Those alive and in Christ caught up
The start of the Day of the Lord
The day of His wrath starting.

Where does this scenario Paul has painted fit in John's narrative of Revelation? It fits a second before the 6th seal. The 6th seal then is the start of the DAY. And yet, the book has not yet been opened because it cannot be until the 7th seal is opened.
 
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The rapture can't precede the DOTL. But if the rapture does, which would then lead the world into utter chaos if that happens before the DOTL, why then are they saying peace and safety before the DOTL? It doesn't fit reality. Planes would be falling out of the sky if the pilots are some of the saved, thus raptured. There would be major car accidents worldwide when drivers are no longer behind the wheel. And if millions vanish into thin air like this, the fear throughout the world would be unreal. Yet the Bible depicts no such scene prior to the DOTL. It indicates they shall be sayng peace and safety instead. At least that's what Paul says anyway.
The rapture will definitely have an impact on the earth. To what degree is not known. The bible does not depict the day of the rapture scene here on earth because the day the rapture takes place is not given.

Since you say the rapture can't precede the Day of the Lord - that would mean that before the Day of the Lord could be described as when you think not.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
 
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The rapture will definitely have an impact on the earth. To what degree is not known. The bible does not depict the day of the rapture scene here on earth because the day the rapture takes place is not given.

Since you say the rapture can't precede the Day of the Lord - that would mean that before the Day of the Lord could be described as when you think not.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
I have frequently said, let a 5th grader read a passage, and his or her take will most likely be the correct one!
 
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How can it be before?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

The brethren adressed here are obviously meaning the saved. If Paul thought that they would not even be present when the DOTL initially begins, why then is Paul saying what he says in verse 4? You don't find it silly to be told about that day not overtaking you as a thief, that being because you won't even be here to see that day? The way that day can or cannot overtake one as a thief though, it requires the ones not overtaken as a thief, to still be present when that day initially begins. Otherwise Paul is making a ridiculous point in verse 4.
Yes, "THEY" (Remember 2 Thess. 2:1-4 ? ) the Thessalonians feared they were going through Gods Wrath, thus Paul is telling them, YOU are not of the DARKNESS (of Satan) brothers that THAT DAY (Gods Wrath) will come upon you....BUT.....It will come upon them, like a sneak thief comes upon those who do not watch !!

These things are not that complicated, but I see brothers who continually confuse the scriptures over and over. What I see is people come to CONCLUSIONS and God has to knock them in the head to ever change "THEIR OPINION" and most of the time that doesn't even work.

Hes saying in VERSE 4, that those of the LIGHT will not go through the WRATH intended for those of the DARK !! How do you confuse that brother ? I will tell you how, in your mind you already understand when the rapture happens, so even though it really happens before the 70th week, the picture in your mind never sees this picture. Thus verse 4 is about "THEM BEING THERE" when its no such thing at all. Its about just the opposite, them NOT BEING THERE !! Thus THAT DAY can not come upon those of us in Christ Jesus (of the light).
 
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Yes, "THEY" (Remember 2 Thess. 2:1-4 ? ) the Thessalonians feared they were going through Gods Wrath, thus Paul is telling them, YOU are not of the DARKNESS (of Satan) brothers that THAT DAY (Gods Wrath) will come upon you....BUT.....It will come upon them, like a sneak thief comes upon those who do not watch !!

These things are nit that complicated, but I see brothers who continually confuse the scriptures over and over. What I see is people come to CONCLUSIONS and God gas to knock them in the head to ever change "THEIR OPINION" and most of the time hat doesn't even work.

Hes saying in VERSE 4, that those of the LIGHT will not go through the WRATH intended for those of the DARK !! How d you confuse that brother ? I will tell you how, in your mind you already understand when the rapture happens, so even though it really happens before the 70th week, the picture in your mind never sees this picture. Thus verse 4 is about "THEM BEING THERE" when its no such thing at all. Its about just the opposite, the NOT BEING THERE !! Thus THAT DAY can not come upon those of us in Christ Jesus (of the light).
Good post!
 
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