Do you believe that earth is about 6000 years old, based upon Genesis & Psalms 90:4 & 2 Peter 3:8?

  • Yes!, even the 'Ante-Nicene' believed this from the scripture!

    Votes: 14 42.4%
  • No.

    Votes: 18 54.5%
  • I just don't know yet, but I will think about these things.

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • I just don't care.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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AnticipateHisComing

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You are not the first to make this reasoning on this forum. I admit having hard time understanding this kind of logic.
Can you understand this logic?

God is true, everything he says is true. If he says a lie, just one, he is fallible and then not to be trusted.

Now recognize deception is the same as a lie, so God can not do that. Why would God that created this world deceive us and give us clear text to the age of this world if it was inaccurate? How difficult would it have been for God to say it took billions of years to create the world instead of six days?
 
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Knowledge is not an ideology, if atheists have produced more knowledge than Christians, then shame on us! As far as I am concerned, I am determined to acquire the scientific knowledge that gives me information about the nature of God.
Read Job 38-41.
Read Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
1 Kings 3:12 behold, I now do according to your word. Behold, I give you a wise and discerning mind, so that none like you has been before you and none like you shall arise after you.​

People think that Solomon was only given wisdom, but he was also given great understanding of the physical of this world.

1 Kings 4:29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding beyond measure, and breadth of mind like the sand on the seashore, 30 so that Solomon's wisdom surpassed the wisdom of all the people of the east and all the wisdom of Egypt. 31 For he was wiser than all other men, wiser than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, Calcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol, and his fame was in all the surrounding nations. 32 He also spoke 3,000 proverbs, and his songs were 1,005. 33 He spoke of trees, from the cedar that is in Lebanon to the hyssop that grows out of the wall. He spoke also of beasts, and of birds, and of reptiles, and of fish. 34 And people of all nations came to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and from all the kings of the earth, who had heard of his wisdom.
I fear your determination to learn of God through science will only lead you away from God. I find it ironic that the worlds most expensive science experiment, which many an atheist put their hopes in, is in search of the "God particle".
 
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Well it really didn't answer anything I asked, I did not ask anything about the layers, so I reiterate.

Question, how do you treat Geological Evolution, are the Geologists wrong when they say,

1) It takes X amount of time for a an Erosion process to take place, or.

2) It takes X amount of time for lava to change into what we see today?

3) Did God in fact Create a (Old Geologically) Earth?
Because Geology says, the Earth is much, much older than 6,000 yrs.
You are talking about laws that scientist think they know to always be as they currently observe. God who formed these laws is able to change them at any time.
 
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At least I use scripture to form the basis of my truths, not science that has "evolved" take on the mission of replacing God.

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Then you fill it out with Assumption, Conjecture, and Supposition.
 
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Who cares, really, since the "oracles of God" (OT) were committed to the Jews (Romans 3:1-2), thus written in Hebrew, not the Greek:

The Septuagint [LXX] as we presently know it, appears first in the writings of Origen [Hexapla] at near the end of the 2nd century AD, and the mention by the so-called "Letter of Aristeas", based on an unfounded and mostly discredited "legend", is seriously problematic.

"... Most of these fables focus on an infamous “book” 14 called the Letter of Aristeas” 15 (hereafter called the Letter) and the alleged claims of the Letter’s documentation by authors who wrote before the first coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and in the first few centuries following His first sojourn on earth. 16 The only extant Letter is dated from the eleventh century. In addition, there is no pre-Christian Greek translation of the He-brew Old Testament text, which the Letter alleges, that has been found, in-cluding the texts among the Dead Sea Scrolls. ..." - http://www.theoldpathspublications.com/Downloads/Free/The Septuagint ebook.pdf

"... the story of Aristeas appears comparatively rational. Yet it has long been recognized that much of it is unhistorical, in particular the professed date and nationality of the writer. Its claims to authenticity were demolished by Dr. Hody two centuries ago (De bibliorum textibus originalibus, Oxon., 1705) ..." - http://www.bible-researcher.com/isbelxx01.html

De bibliorum textibus originalibus - https://archive.org/stream/bub_gb_Lq6h8A9RvfwC#page/n15/mode/2up

Other sources, identifying the same - http://www.scionofzion.com/septuagint.htm

"... Roman Catholics use the idea that Christ quoted the Septuagint to justly include the Apocrypha in their Bibles. ... Since no Hebrew Old Testament ever included the books of the Apocrypha, the Septuagint is the only source the Catholics have for justifying their canon. Many Reformers and Lutherans wrote at great length refuting the validity of the Septuagint. ..." - http://www.wcbible.org/documents/septuagint.pdf

"... [Page 46] Proponents of the invisible LXX will try to claim that Origen didn't translate the Hebrew into Greek, but only copied the LXX into the second column of his Hexapla. Can this argument be correct? No. If it were, then that would mean that those astute 72 Jewish scholars added the Apocryphal books to their work before they were ever written. (!) Or else, Origen took the liberty to add these spurious writings to God's Holy Word (Rev. 22:18). ...

... Is there ANY Greek manuscript of the Old Testament written BEFORE the time of Christ? Yes. There is one minute scrap dated at 150 BC, the Ryland's Papyrus, #458. It contains Deuteronomy chapters 23-28. No more. No less. If fact, it may be the existence of this fragment that led Eucebius and Philo to assume that the entire Pentatuech had been translated by some scribe in an effort to interest Gentiles in the history of the Jews. ... [page 46]

... [Page 47] If there was an Aristeas, he was faced with two insurmountable problems.

First, how did he ever locate the twelve tribes in order to pick his six representative scholars from each. Having been thoroughly scattered by their many defeats and captivities, the tribal lines of the 12 tribes had long since dissolved into virtual non-existence. It was impossible for anyone to distinctly identify the 12 individual tribes.

Secondly, if the 12 tribes had been identified, they would not have undertaken such a translation for two compelling reasons.

(1) Every Jew knew that the official caretaker of Scripture was the tribe of Levi as evidenced in Deuteronomy 17:18, 31:25,26 and Malachi 2:7. Thus, NO Jew of any of the eleven other tribes would dare to join such a forbidden enterprise. ..." - The Answer Book, By Sam Gipp, Page 46-47, selected portions, emphasis [bold] in original.





the DSS corroborate the LXX translation on many occasions, and Josephus corroborates the LXX chronology

the NT favors the LXX readings, which is why the EO have always used it from the days of st Paul

according to orthodox Judaism, their medieval M text proves Jesus could not have been Christ, and that he's currently boiling in human excrement for claiming otherwise

if the Masoretic text is true and proves Jesus was Christ then convincing Jews to convert ought to have happened a thousand years ago, and the Jews would have recognized the fact about their text themselves

it is true that the Hebrew original from which the LXX was translated 2300 years ago would obviously be by far the best of all worlds
 
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Creation was never meant to last forever. Jesus was planned to die for us since creation.

I realize that. That wasn't the point of posting that passage from Revelation.
 
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Now recognize deception is the same as a lie, so God can not do that. Why would God that created this world deceive us and give us clear text to the age of this world if it was inaccurate? How difficult would it have been for God to say it took billions of years to create the world instead of six days?
The Word of God is richer than a simple sequence of events ...
 
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God is true, everything he says is true. If he says a lie, just one, he is fallible and then not to be trusted.

Why would God that created this world deceive us and give us clear text to the age of this world if it was inaccurate? How difficult would it have been for God to say it took billions of years to create the world instead of six days?

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God didn't deceive anyone, you just cannot interpret what God did say correctly.

According to your reckoning, 1 day = 1,000 yrs. that's 6,000 yrs for Creation to be finished, God rested on the 7th day, is He not still resting?

Even if God only rested for 1,000 yrs, that would still make the world 13,000 yrs old wouldn't it?
 
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You are talking about laws that scientist think they know to always be as they currently observe. God who formed these laws is able to change them at any time.

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Sure He is, but the question is, HAS HE?

Is there evidence, the Laws that were, are no longer Laws at all?

Which Laws did God change?
 
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the DSS corroborate the LXX
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Asked and asnwered:

Who cares, really, since the "oracles of God" (OT) were committed to the Jews (Romans 3:1-2), thus written in Hebrew, not the Greek:

The Septuagint [LXX] as we presently know it, appears first in the writings of Origen [Hexapla] at near the end of the 2nd century AD, and the mention by the so-called "Letter of Aristeas", based on an unfounded and mostly discredited "legend", is seriously problematic.

"... Most of these fables focus on an infamous “book” 14 called the Letter of Aristeas” 15 (hereafter called the Letter) and the alleged claims of the Letter’s documentation by authors who wrote before the first coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and in the first few centuries following His first sojourn on earth. 16 The only extant Letter is dated from the eleventh century. In addition, there is no pre-Christian Greek translation of the He-brew Old Testament text, which the Letter alleges, that has been found, in-cluding the texts among the Dead Sea Scrolls. ..." - http://www.theoldpathspublications.com/Downloads/Free/The Septuagint ebook.pdf

"... the story of Aristeas appears comparatively rational. Yet it has long been recognized that much of it is unhistorical, in particular the professed date and nationality of the writer. Its claims to authenticity were demolished by Dr. Hody two centuries ago (De bibliorum textibus originalibus, Oxon., 1705) ..." - http://www.bible-researcher.com/isbelxx01.html

De bibliorum textibus originalibus - https://archive.org/stream/bub_gb_Lq6h8A9RvfwC#page/n15/mode/2up

Other sources, identifying the same - http://www.scionofzion.com/septuagint.htm

"... Roman Catholics use the idea that Christ quoted the Septuagint to justly include the Apocrypha in their Bibles. ... Since no Hebrew Old Testament ever included the books of the Apocrypha, the Septuagint is the only source the Catholics have for justifying their canon. Many Reformers and Lutherans wrote at great length refuting the validity of the Septuagint. ..." - http://www.wcbible.org/documents/septuagint.pdf

"... [Page 46] Proponents of the invisible LXX will try to claim that Origen didn't translate the Hebrew into Greek, but only copied the LXX into the second column of his Hexapla. Can this argument be correct? No. If it were, then that would mean that those astute 72 Jewish scholars added the Apocryphal books to their work before they were ever written. (!) Or else, Origen took the liberty to add these spurious writings to God's Holy Word (Rev. 22:18). ...

... Is there ANY Greek manuscript of the Old Testament written BEFORE the time of Christ? Yes. There is one minute scrap dated at 150 BC, the Ryland's Papyrus, #458. It contains Deuteronomy chapters 23-28. No more. No less. If fact, it may be the existence of this fragment that led Eucebius and Philo to assume that the entire Pentatuech had been translated by some scribe in an effort to interest Gentiles in the history of the Jews. ... [page 46]

... [Page 47] If there was an Aristeas, he was faced with two insurmountable problems.

First, how did he ever locate the twelve tribes in order to pick his six representative scholars from each. Having been thoroughly scattered by their many defeats and captivities, the tribal lines of the 12 tribes had long since dissolved into virtual non-existence. It was impossible for anyone to distinctly identify the 12 individual tribes.

Secondly, if the 12 tribes had been identified, they would not have undertaken such a translation for two compelling reasons.

(1) Every Jew knew that the official caretaker of Scripture was the tribe of Levi as evidenced in Deuteronomy 17:18, 31:25,26 and Malachi 2:7. Thus, NO Jew of any of the eleven other tribes would dare to join such a forbidden enterprise. ..." - The Answer Book, By Sam Gipp, Page 46-47, selected portions, emphasis [bold] in original.





 
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Asked and asnwered:
which is more Christian, a faithful gentile translation, or a not so faithful Hebrew one?

weren't these kinds of issues already answered in the first century?

again, it is true, the best of all worlds would be a faithful Hebrew one
 
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Hugh Latimer (c. 1487 – 16 October 1555) -

"... The Day of Judgment. A Sermon, Preached on the Second Sunday in Advent, 1552. Luke xxi. [page 253,261] ...

... [page 261] Therefore no doubt these are warnings wherewith the Almighty God warn us to make ready against that horrible and fearful day, which day no doubt is not far off. For the world was ordained of God to endure, as Scripture and all learned men agree, six thousand years: now of this number are gone five thousand five hundred and fifty-two, so that there is left only four hundred and fifty lacking two; and this is but a little time, and yet this time shall be shortened as Scripture plainly witnesseth, for the elect's sake. ..." - British Reformers, Select Sermons and Letters, of Dr. Hugh Latimer, Bishop of Worcester and Martyr, 1555. First American Edition. Philadelphia: Presbyterian Board of Publication, Paul T. Jones, Publishing Agent. 1842.; pages 253,261 - https://books.google.com/books?id=H9UqAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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Mrs. C. Best (c. 1844) said:

"... Nearly six thousand years have elapsed since the in- [page 13-14] fluence of the sun was first felt on this terrestrial globe, since the motion of the planets began, and days, and months, and years commenced their course. For almost that space have the two great lights shone forth at their respective periods; the sun, the greater light, never filing on the return of each successive morning to gild the radiant east, while the lowly moon, attended by myriads of stars, supplies his absence during the continuation of the darksome night. In order to render the study of the celestial bodies more in accordance with the conception of my readers, we will consider briefly that bright and glorious page which the starry sky unfolds. The Sun, as the centre of the system, stands alone in his own unclouded majesty. "His going forth is from the end of heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof." Psalm xix.6. This in few words we behold the universal action of this great luminary, dispensing everywhere light, and life, and heat. Its appearance in the heavens is as a ball of intense light, too great for the human eye to bear unless screened by artificial means. ..." - Six Thousand Years Ago: or, The Works of Creation Illustrated. by Mrs. Best, Authoress of the well-known "Tracts on the Parables," "Tracts on Old Testament Histories," &c. &c.; Bath: Binns and Goodwin. London: Simpkin, Marhsall, & Co. M.DCCC.XLIV. (1844); pages 13-14 - https://books.google.com/books?id=wdQDAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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Jean Calvin (10 July 1509 – 27 May 1564) -

"... Institutes of the Christian Religion; Chapter XIV. The True God clearly distinguished in the Scripture from all ficticious ones by the Creation of the World. ...

... Therefore he hath been pleased to give us a history of the creation, on which the faith of the Church might rest, without seeking after any other God, than him whom Moses has represented as the former and builder of the world. The first thing specified in this history is the time, that by a continued series of years the faithful might arrive at the first original of the human race, and of all things. This knowledge is eminently useful, not only to contradict the monstrous fables formerly received in Egypt and other countries, but also to give us clearer views of the eternity of God, and to fill us with greater admiration of it. Nor ought we to be moved with that profane sneer, that it is marvellous that God did not form the design of creating heaven and earth at an earlier period, but suffered an immeasureable duration to pass away unemployed, since he could have made them many thousands of ages before: whereas the continuance of the world now advancing to its last end has not yet reached six thousand years. ... [page 170,171]

... [page 171] in the course of six thousand years ..." - The Institutes of the Christian Religion., by John Calvin. Translated from the Original Latin, and collated with the Author's last edition in French, by John Allen.; in Three Volumes. Volume I., First American, from the last London Edition. New Haven: Published by Hezekiah Howe, and by Philip H. Nicklin, Philadelphia. William Fry, Printer. 1816.; pages 107,171 - https://books.google.com/books?id=cRgwAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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Theophilus Ransom Gates (1787-1846) -

"... It was the tradition of the Hebrews, and the opinion of the ancient fathers, that the world would continue seven thousand years: for God made the world it is said in six days, and all the things therein, and appointed the seventh day for a day of holiness and rest; and St. Peter speaking concerning the [page 273-274] end of the world, tells us, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. -- St. Barnabas, who travelled with the apostle Paul, and is said in the scriptures to be a man full of the holy Ghost, speaketh expressly of these things, as follows: "And God made in six days the work of his hands; and he finished them on the seventh day, and he rested the seventh day and sanctified it." Consider, my children, (saith he,) what that signifies, "he finished them in six days." The meaning of it is this; that in six thousand years the Lord God will bring all things to an end. For with him one day is a thousand years; as himself testifieth, saying, "behold this day shall be as a thousand years." Therefore, children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, shall all things be accomplished. And what is that he saith, "and he rested the seventh day." He meaneth this; that when his Son shall come, and abolish the season of the wicked one, and judge the ungodly; and shall change the sun, and the moon, and the stars, then he shall gloriously rest in that seventh day. He adds lastly, "thou shalt sanctify it with clean hands and a pure heart." ... I have the [page 274-275] fullest confidence in these things: the work of the creation of the world, being an emblem of the work of redemption in the hearts of the children of men. if this be so, we may then suppose, that as the work of creation was rendered more and more complete from the time it commenced, till the sixth day, when it was completed; so the work of redemption in the hearts of the children of men, will be rendered more and more complete, from the time of its commencement, till perfected at the end of the six thousand years -- and that the thousand year which then follow, will be as much superior in holiness and rest, to the other six thousand years, as the sabbath is to the other days of the week. The gracious dispensation of redemption, first dawned in the promise, that the seed of the woman should bruise the serpent's head; and it has continued to shine brighter and brighter, (a few partial eclipses only having taken place,) and display its salutary effects more and more fully in the hearts of mankind, till the present day; and it will be completed or perfected, in redeeming them from all sin and unrighteousness, to the glory of God and the happiness of his creatures, when the six thousand years from the creation of the world shall have expired--this is the joy and rejoicing of my heart. I may also add--as the light of grace and work of redemption take place in the hearts of men, they will see things in a more spiritual view, and realize the commandments of God, as more exceedingly broad. ..." - The Life and Writings of Theophilus R. Gates, Second Edition, with Additions ... Philadelphia: Printed by David Dickinson, for the Author. 1818.; pages 273-275, selected portions - https://books.google.com/books?id=UbQ-AAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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Adam Clarke (b. 1760–1762, d. August 28, 1832) -

“... [Daniel 2:45 commentary] 9. The duration of the kingdom of the mountain upon earth. The world has now lasted nearly six thousand years, and a very ancient tradition has predicted its termination at the close of that period. Its duration has been divided into three grand periods, each comprising two thousand years, which should be closed by a period without terminating limits; and these have been supposed to have their types in the six days’ work of the creation, and the seventh day, called Sabbath or rest.

1. There have been two thousand years from the creation without any written revelation from God; this was called the patriarchal dispensation.

2. There have been two thousand years under the law, where there has been a written revelation, a succession of prophets, and a Divine ecclesiastical establishment. This has been termed the Mosaic dispensation.

3. One thousand eight hundred and twenty-nine years have passed since the true epoch of the nativity of our blessed Lord; and this is called the Gospel or Christian dispensation, which is now within one hundred and seventy-one years of closing its two thousand!


According to the ancient tradition there were,

1. Two thousand years void; that is, without the law.
2. Two thousand years under the law. And,
3. Two thousand years under the Messiah.

And at the termination of the third the endless Sabbath should commence. The comments on this ancient tradition go on to state, that at the termination of each day’s work of the creation it was said, The evening and the morning were the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day; but when the Sabbath is introduced, and God is said to rest from his work, and to have hallowed this day, there is no mention of the evening and the morning being the seventh day. That is left without termination; and therefore a proper type of the eternal Sabbath, that rest which remains for the people of God.


And are we indeed so near that time when the elements of all things shall be dissolved by fervent heat; when the heavens shall be shrivelled up like a scroll, and the earth and all it contains be burned up? ...” - The Holy Bible, containing the Old and New Testaments. The Text carefully printed from the most correct copies of the present Authorized Translation. Including the Marginal Readings and Parallel Texts. with a Commentary and Critical Notes, designed as a help to a better understanding of the Sacred Writings. By Adam Clarke, LL.D. F.S.A. M.R.I.A., Volume IV. New York: Printed and Published by Abraham Paul, No. 72 Nassau-Street. 1825.; Daniel 2:45 Commentary - https://books.google.com/books?id=h2U7AQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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John Gill (23 November 1697 – 14 October 1771) -

"... However, the numerous rock layers that are the supposed proof for these ages, were mainly laid down by Noah's flood. In Exo_20:11 we read of a literal six day creation. No gaps, not even for one minute, otherwise these would not be six normal days. Also, in Rom_5:12 we read that death is the result of Adam's sin. Because the rock layers display death on a grand scale, they could not have existed before the fall of Adam. There is no direct evidence that the earth is much older than six thousand years. However, we have the direct eyewitness report of God himself that he made everything in six days. Tracing back through the biblical genealogies we can determine the age of the universe to be about six thousand years with an error of not more than two per cent. ..." - John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible, section Genesis 1:2; [PDF page 7] - https://ia600204.us.archive.org/23/...c/John Gill's Commentary on the Bible.doc.pdf

"... among the Jews, that, answerable to the six days of creation, the world will continue six thousand years. It is a tradition of Elias (u), an ancient Jewish doctor, that

"the world shall stand six thousand years, two thousand void, two thousand under the law, and two thousand, the days of the Messiah.''

And Baal Hatturim (w) observes, there are six "alephs" in the first verse of this chapter, answerable to the six thousand years the world is to continue: and R. Gedaliah says (x), at the end of the sixth millennium the world shall return without form and void, (to its former condition, "tohu" and "bohu",) and the whole shall be a sabbath: and very particular is another writer (y) of theirs concerning these six days of the creation, who having spoken of the day of judgment, the resurrection of the dead, and the world to come, observes, that the six days' work is an intimation and sign of these things: on the sixth day man was created, and the work was perfected on the seventh;
..." - John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible, section Genesis 1:31; [PDF page 32] - https://ia600204.us.archive.org/23/...c/John Gill's Commentary on the Bible.doc.pdf
 
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Albert Barnes (December 1, 1798 – December 24, 1870) -

"... Compare Dan_2:34; Dan_12:11; 2Th_2:3, 2Th_2:8. The anticipation that the Lord Jesus was about to come; that the affairs of the world, in the present form, were to be wound up; that the reign of the saints would soon commence; and that the permanent kingdom of righteousness would be established, became almost the current belief, of the Reformers, and was frequently expressed in their writings. Thus, Luther, in the year 1520, in his answer to the pope’s bull of excommunication, expresses his anticipations: “Our Lord Jesus Christ yet liveth and reigneth; who, I firmly trust, will shortly come, and slay with the spirit of his mouth, and (destroy with the brightness of his coming, that Man of Sin” (Merle D’Aubig., vol. ii. p. 166).

After being summoned before the Diet at Worms, and after condemnation had been pronounced on him by the emperor, he fell back for comfort on the same joyous expectation. “For this once,” he said, “the Jews, as on the crucifixion day, may sing their paean; but Easter will come for us, and then we shall sing Hallelujah” (D’Aubig., vol. ii. p. 275). The next year, writing to Staupitz, he made a solemn appeal against his abandoning the Reformation, by reference to the sure and advancing fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. “My father,” said he, “the abominations of the pope, with his whole kingdom, must be destroyed; and the Lord does this without hand, by the Word alone. The subject exceeds all human comprehension. I cherish the best hopes” (Milner, p. 692).

In 1523 he thus, in a similar strain, expresses his hopes: “The kingdom of Antichrist, according to the prophet Daniel, [page 344-345] must be broken without hands; that is, the Scriptures will be understood by and by; and every one will preach against papal tyranny, from the Word of God, until the Man of Sin is deserted of all, and dies of himself” (Milner, p. 796). The same sentiments respecting the approach of the end of the world were entertained by Melancthon. In commenting on the passage in Daniel relating to the “little horn,” he thus refers to an argument which has been prevalent: “The words of the prophet Elias should be marked by every one, and inscribed upon our walls, and on the entrances of our houses. Six thousand years shall the world stand, and after that be destroyed; two thousand years without the law; two thousand years under the law of Moses; two thousand years under the Messiah; and if any of those years are not fulfilled, they will be shortened (a shortening intimated by Christ also, on account of our sins).”

The following manuscript addition to this argument has been found in Melancthon’s hand, in Luther’s own copy of the German Bible: “Written 1557 a.d., and from the creation of the world, 5519; from which number we may see that this aged world is not far from its end.” So also the British Reformers believed. Thus, Dr. Latimer: “Let us cry to God day and night ... Most merciful Father, let thy kingdom come! Paul saith, The Lord will not come until the swerving from the faith cometh 2Th_2:3; which thing is already done and past. Antichrist is already known throughout all the world. Wherefore the day is not far off.” Then, reverting to the consideration of the age of the world, as Melancthon had done, he says, “The world was ordained to endure, as all learned ones affirm, 6000 years. Now of that number there be past 5552 years, so that there is no more left but 448 years. Furthermore, those days shall be shortened for the elect’s sake. Therefore, all those excellent and learned men, whom without doubt God hath sent into the world in these last days to give the world warning, do gather out of sacred Scripture that the last day cannot be far off.” ..." - Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Book of Revelation. by Rev. Albert Barnes., with preface by Rev. E. Henderson, D.D., London: printed and published by Knight and Son, 11, Clerkenwell Close. 1852. Commentary on Revelation 10:6; pages 344-345 - https://books.google.com/books?id=bBZMOjM3LdQC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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S. Peacock (and edited by Alfred Edersheim) (1880) -

"... 3. The 6,000 years from the Creation terminate about 1890.

It has been an old belief that the world would have a week of 6,000 years' work, and then a rest of 1,000 years--a Millennial Sabbath!

But it may be argued that A.D. 1890 would not be 6,000 years, only 5,894, if the birth of Christ were in the year of the world 4,004, as usually stated in Reference Bibles, because 1,890 added to 4,004 [left hand column to right hand column] only amounts to 5,894. ...

It may never have occurred to our readers that the passage in 2 Peter iii. 8, "One day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day," singularly bears out the theory of 6,000 years. Thus a day=1,000 years--6 days=6,000 years; or, on the other hand, 1,000 years=one day--6,000 years=6 days, or the world's week. ..." - Israel's Watchman & Prophetic Expositor; and The Prophetic News; edited by Alfred Edersheim; W. W. Partridge & Co.; 56 Paternoster Row. London. January, 1880; section Is the close to be about 1890? by Rev. S. Peacock, Barrowden, Rutland, page 239 – https://books.google.com/books?id=UgIFAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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