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This is an educated guess/belief I feel I should state as a warning. When you die you are automatically on the other side but you are in a weakened state from still thinking you're human so it is the best time for demons to try to trick you into a trap via entering a portal. I believe only demons travel through portals however angels can just teleport you by will. They will appeal to your beliefs, for instance appearing as Jesus and telling you to enter this portal, then they will try to trap you somewhere. I know all of this sounds weird but it makes a lot of sense to me so I had to say something, you don't have to do what they say. I believe I have seen a demon leaving through a portal myself, it even gave me a name which I will not say but was a biblical demon's name. Long story short: beware of portals.
I have seen pieces of the light and the dark, the dark is pretty much normal to you while the light is a foreign concept because it is so great it erases all you think you know and replaces it with unfathomable peace. For instance, even if you are happy you are still in darkness because the light is that much greater. The light is within, the dark is outside of yourself, I think that's the most definable difference. It is up to you to choose to forgive, to choose peace over all else, that is what God wants.
You are capable of being in heaven now, before death because we are right now inside of God, before death or after we are always capable of it by free will. This event is meant to be proof that it is possible: "2 kings 2:11" I believe it is what we all inevitably must do, follow God's law instead of our own. I know many of you just imagine being on fluffy clouds as a human for all eternity, but is that what you really want? God is eternal, your beliefs are not. I know its easy to just say 'no one knows what happens' but if Elijah ascended before death that would mean I'm mostly correct, that there is divinity inside everyone.
I have seen pieces of the light and the dark, the dark is pretty much normal to you while the light is a foreign concept because it is so great it erases all you think you know and replaces it with unfathomable peace. For instance, even if you are happy you are still in darkness because the light is that much greater. The light is within, the dark is outside of yourself, I think that's the most definable difference. It is up to you to choose to forgive, to choose peace over all else, that is what God wants.
You are capable of being in heaven now, before death because we are right now inside of God, before death or after we are always capable of it by free will. This event is meant to be proof that it is possible: "2 kings 2:11" I believe it is what we all inevitably must do, follow God's law instead of our own. I know many of you just imagine being on fluffy clouds as a human for all eternity, but is that what you really want? God is eternal, your beliefs are not. I know its easy to just say 'no one knows what happens' but if Elijah ascended before death that would mean I'm mostly correct, that there is divinity inside everyone.
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The first paragraph is just belief, I think more logically about death. If what happens is exactly what you believe will happen, then you know something is wrong.
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As far as religious labeling pantheist is the closest but I found that label after visions, before I was just agnostic, but thinking back to what I believed then was so dumb and wrong, but dumb belief did lead to real blessings however it took strong sincerity in trying to understand the real God instead of being content with belief alone.
Trying to understand and experience eternity. I saw that it is greater, more peace then a normal human could handle. When you make yourself worthy, God starts lifting you up automatically into heaven, the fear of him is the fear of losing what you think you know now, since you know nothing but think you do, you cannot enter heaven until you surrender yourself completely, to what already exists, before you formed opinions about it, before you can even remember.
Our egos are small temporary things, and I mean very small. Look at a spec of dust, one day you will look at your whole human existence in the same way. Since we are completely in control of our own due to free will this means, everything is a mirror, you are blind to reality and can only see yourself, what you have created within God's creation. So if you get angry at someone you are really getting angry at your own reflection. This is why forgiveness is a valuable tool, it cleans your mirror and can even make it a window.
Trying to understand and experience eternity. I saw that it is greater, more peace then a normal human could handle. When you make yourself worthy, God starts lifting you up automatically into heaven, the fear of him is the fear of losing what you think you know now, since you know nothing but think you do, you cannot enter heaven until you surrender yourself completely, to what already exists, before you formed opinions about it, before you can even remember.
Our egos are small temporary things, and I mean very small. Look at a spec of dust, one day you will look at your whole human existence in the same way. Since we are completely in control of our own due to free will this means, everything is a mirror, you are blind to reality and can only see yourself, what you have created within God's creation. So if you get angry at someone you are really getting angry at your own reflection. This is why forgiveness is a valuable tool, it cleans your mirror and can even make it a window.
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All religions that are still around today came about in a somewhat competitive environment: they not only had to withstand and best the already existent, dominant religions of their day and age, but also - more important to this thread - protect themselves against subversion and people who'd try to emulate and draw upon their success by claiming an association or continuation.
This is especially true for religions that pulled off just that kind of trick themselves: if you wanted to draw upon the Abrahamic tradition, for example, you needed to somehow establish why YOU, and not the already existing religion(s), were the TRUE heir of the lineage, retconning the foundational tales into supporting your claim.
With that came awareness that others could do the same to them - and thus, they ALL contain specific warnings against future detractors, "false prophets", and so forth. Any new prophecy would be in immediate danger of being flagged as heresy. There must be nothing new, lest it subvert the already existing status quo.
(The Baha'i probably managed this situation best by admitting that they were not the final step in the progressing divine revelation, but declared that the next level would not be reached for at least half a millennium, thus protecting their status for the foreseeable future and invalidating any claimant that could contest their primacy in the meantime.)
This is especially true for religions that pulled off just that kind of trick themselves: if you wanted to draw upon the Abrahamic tradition, for example, you needed to somehow establish why YOU, and not the already existing religion(s), were the TRUE heir of the lineage, retconning the foundational tales into supporting your claim.
With that came awareness that others could do the same to them - and thus, they ALL contain specific warnings against future detractors, "false prophets", and so forth. Any new prophecy would be in immediate danger of being flagged as heresy. There must be nothing new, lest it subvert the already existing status quo.
(The Baha'i probably managed this situation best by admitting that they were not the final step in the progressing divine revelation, but declared that the next level would not be reached for at least half a millennium, thus protecting their status for the foreseeable future and invalidating any claimant that could contest their primacy in the meantime.)
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I am not sure what the challenge is, there is only one truth and most belief systems touch on it in one way or another.
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By surrendering what you have created entirely and entering into eternal reality (the kingdom of heaven). Forgiveness is key.
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To the long multi-quote messages, I do not wish to enter into that level of complexity, take what I said or leave it. I will not argue with someone who thinks they know God better than God. Basically anyone that truly knows God would agree with me on everything because the truth remains the truth regardless of what you choose to believe, it doesn't change from person to person.
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"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9.
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13.
"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." Romans 5:1-2.
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior." Titus 3:5-6.
You cannot surrender what you have to God and earn eternal life, because that would be considered works; salvation is a free gift (Romans 5:18) and is not able to be paid off by those who receive it freely. God makes it clear you either receive salvation completely free, or not at all: if you try to work for it by forgiving others, and giving up what you have, you are trusting yourself and your own righteousness according to the amount of work you have done, instead of trusting Jesus Christ and his righteousness according to the perfect work that he has done for you. You are spitting upon the sacrifice of Christ by saying a person must forgive and give up themselves; you are sacrificing yourself for the debt that you owe God, which will never be good enough to pay the debt, and you will work your way right into hell.
If we had to forgive and enter for ourselves (by giving up what "we have created entirely") into the Kingdom of Heaven there would never have been any need for God to provide the payment for entering into it in the first place. The reason being that we have all committed sin (Romans 3:23) and have all fallen short of what God says is acceptable for a person to enter into heaven; we have all earned for ourselves the death penalty for transgressing the commandments of God (Romans 5:12, James 2:10).
You, sir, must trust Jesus Christ alone otherwise you will never see the kingdom of God. That is a fact.
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James 2:17
There is a disagreement in the bible about works. Christianity followed Paul's interpretation which says works are not necessary however I know factually that James The Just was correct. In fact people were so unwilling to listen to the truth, he was killed over it, people just like you killed the brother of Jesus for the sake of protecting their own sin. So that they can continue to sin but believe they are saved.
You can quote all you want and think you're right all you want but it will not change the fabric of reality. Paul's way allows for sin to enter heaven which is why people were so willing to adopt that belief, however that is impossible.
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You claim that two of God's chosen apostles would disagree and contradict each other, but God is perfect and does not contradict himself (Psalms 18:30). The Word of God was spoken through the inspiration of the Spirit by both Paul and James, and they agree with each on every doctrine they taught.
It is foolish to pick and choose based upon your own preconception which doctrines that are taught in the Bible are correct and which aren't, and it's obvious you do not let scripture interpret itself. You are trusting yourself to be saved, period, which means that you have fallen from grace.
Secondly, if you actually read the book of James, you will see that James isn't even talking about salvation, because he's talking to people who are ALREADY saved, and teaching about the vanity of boasting of a faith that has no works. It's clear that the Bible teaches from Genesis 4 that a man is saved by placing his faith in the Lord and calling upon his name. If a man had to turn from sin to be saved, none would be, because none can cease from sinning until the day they die and go to be with the Lord, which is why salvation is a free gift from God.
You have blinded your own heart, and your understanding is darkened. You wish to boast of your righteousness before God, but your righteousness as well as mine are filthy rags before God (Isaiah 64:6) which is why we all need Jesus Christ to save us through his sacrifice and resurrection.
You teach a false, works-based salvation and you try to point the finger at me as if I teach false doctrine. But you are making others two-fold the children of hell with your damnable doctrine.
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I boast of the Lord, who saves by his mercy according to his grace.
And no, I wasn't boasting, actually; rather, I was rebuking you. You condemn me for trusting in God alone and not myself? I plead guilty, friend.
Psalm 3:1-8 "Lord, how are they increased that trouble me! many are they that rise up against me. Many there be which say of my soul, There is no help for him in God. Selah. But thou, O Lord, art a shield for me; my glory, and the lifter up of mine head. I cried unto the Lord with my voice, and he heard me out of his holy hill. Selah. I laid me down and slept; I awaked; for the Lord sustained me. I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people, that have set themselves against me round about. Arise, O Lord; save me, O my God: for thou hast smitten all mine enemies upon the cheek bone; thou hast broken the teeth of the ungodly. Salvation belongeth unto the Lord: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah."
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God tells us in 2 Thessalonians 1:11-12 That it is God that makes us worthy:
We constantly pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may bring to fruition your every desire for goodness and your every deed prompted by faith. We pray this so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
We can never make ourselves worthy because apart from Him we can do nothing. JOHN 15:5
Belief alone is the standard to which we should all reach - if we don't have it we should pray God gives it to us..
Hebrews 1:7
By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
Its no shame - we should all aspire to such great faith as Noah had. ..
Mark 9:23-25
LORD I believe, now help my unbelief!
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Just a note of observation. In reading through this thread you have raised a lot good stuff, even Truth. What I want to say is that none of it is new to my ears. I've heard everything you has written, and more from some very wise and enlightened teachers. The thing is, none of those teachers would claim to be a Prophet. Also I'm of the spiritual trajectory that the moment I hear "I am" spoken, it's the ego I hear speaking. That's because the Soul doesn't speak in "I am" images like the ego want's to do. It's through the Soul that God speaks. And that's what I listen for.
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You can only condemn yourself. You can trust in God, the length and bumpiness of the road back to him is up to you. If you are waiting for death, that is not correct.
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