Biblical proof of Mary's virginity

The Times said:

A legitimate Son must be admitted for the purification by a legitimate marriage between a man and a woman, not between a woman and God. The Law was for man and not for God, for they were presenting themselves before God and not God presenting himself before himself..

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Athanasius377 said:

So why bother starting a thread called Biblical Proof of Mary's Virginity? If the Gospels aren't historical records then what are they?

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Athanasius377 said:

And let's get right to it, do you believe that Christ physically rose from the dead?

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Athanasius377 said:

But there is no evidence that they are symbols . What proof do you have? And on what basis can you say a symbol is more reliable?

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Athanasius377 said:

But they don't. You say they do and have yet to marshall any biblical proof other then your own personal musings .

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Athanasius377 said:

The reason I ask is if the Gospels are not historic accounts how do you know the resurrection happened?

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JohnOfWoodGreen said:

Indeed! How dare anyone even SUGGEST that the marriages of Abra(ha)m, Isaac, Rachel, Manoah, and Zacharias were IN ANY WAY hebrew!

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Athanasius377 said:

I wasn't sure . Based on this thread I would say it's more like rolling and smoking your own theology.

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BNR32FAN said:

Let’s see what Strong’s has to say about this.



Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

bridegroom


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Lemma:

νυμφίος


Transliteration:

nymphíos


Pronounce:

noom-fee'-os


Part of Speech:

Noun Masculine


Language:

greek


Description:

1) a bridegroom


Grammar:

from νύμφη; a bride-groom (literally or figuratively):--bridegroom.

And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

husband


G435


Lemma:

ἀνήρ


Transliteration:

anḗr


Pronounce:

an'-ayr


Part of Speech:

Noun Masculine


Language:

greek


Description:

1) with reference to sex a) of a male b) of a husband c) of a betrothed or future husband

2) with reference to age, and to distinguish an adult man from a boy

3) any male

4) used generically of a group of both men and women


Grammar:

a primary word (compare ἄνθρωπος); a man (properly as an individual male):--fellow, husband, man, sir.

Looks like the difference between husband and groom. Not man & groom.

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The Times said:

This is liberal theology 101.

There is nothing midrashik about the birth, death and bodily resurrection/resuscitation of Jesus Christ.

Neither does the text type of the gospel accounts hint at them being midrashik.

1This is a record of the ancestors of Jesus the Messiah, a descendant of Davida and of Abraham:

2Abraham was the father of Isaac.

Isaac was the father of Jacob.

Jacob was the father of Judah and his brothers.

3Judah was the father of Perez and Zerah (whose mother was Tamar).

Perez was the father of Hezron.

Hezron was the father of Ram.b

4Ram was the father of Amminadab.

Amminadab was the father of Nahshon.

Nahshon was the father of Salmon.

5Salmon was the father of Boaz (whose mother was Rahab).

Boaz was the father of Obed (whose mother was Ruth).

Obed was the father of Jesse.

6Jesse was the father of King David.

David was the father of Solomon (whose mother was Bathsheba, the widow of Uriah).

7Solomon was the father of Rehoboam.

Rehoboam was the father of Abijah.

Abijah was the father of Asa.c

8Asa was the father of Jehoshaphat.

Jehoshaphat was the father of Jehoram.d

Jehoram was the fathere of Uzziah.

9Uzziah was the father of Jotham.

Jotham was the father of Ahaz.

Ahaz was the father of Hezekiah.

10Hezekiah was the father of Manasseh.

Manasseh was the father of Amon.f

Amon was the father of Josiah.

11Josiah was the father of Jehoiachingand his brothers (born at the time of the exile to Babylon).

12After the Babylonian exile:

Jehoiachin was the father of Shealtiel.

Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel.

13Zerubbabel was the father of Abiud.

Abiud was the father of Eliakim.

Eliakim was the father of Azor.

14Azor was the father of Zadok.

Zadok was the father of Akim.

Akim was the father of Eliud.

15Eliud was the father of Eleazar.

Eleazar was the father of Matthan.

Matthan was the father of Jacob.

16Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary.

Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is called the Messiah.

17All those listed above include fourteen generations from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the Babylonian exile, and fourteen from the Babylonian exile to the Messiah.

The Birth of Jesus the Messiah

18This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit. 19Joseph, her fiancé, was a good man and did not want to disgrace her publicly, so he decided to break the engagementh quietly.

20As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. “Joseph, son of David,” the angel said, “do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit. 21And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus,i for he will save his people from their sins.”

22All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet:

23“Look! The virgin will conceive a child!

She will give birth to a son,

and they will call him Immanuel,j

which means ‘God is with us.’”

24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.

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JohnOfWoodGreen said:

Chrétien de Troyes, post: 73109562, member: 412151:
"The argument is that the term bridegroom is never applied to Joseph" - What kind of argument can that be, when the term bridegroom is also never applied to any man in any of the churches to which the epistles of Peter and Paul were addressed?
"Luke's Gospel is a rewrite to correct the translation errors of Matthew's gospel" - Rubbish! A tax collector would know enough Greek to communicate with his Roman masters, and even if not, the apostles weren't too stupid to learn proper Greek. The alliterations in the Sermon on the Mount are striking, striking enough for some to claim that Jesus preached in Greek as well as in "Hebrew". And Luke, in His prologue, doesn't even suggest that ANY of the gospels already written were in any way erroneous, let alone Matthew's.
"rehabilitate Origen" - In some ways history may well have been unfair to Origen, but introducing a doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary does nobody any credit, Origen included.

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