DID JESUS REALLY BREAK ANY OF GOD'S LAW?

expos4ever · Aug 26, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
The problem is that you are STILL trying to twist Scripture to qualify your false position and understanding. You are doing the exact same thing as others who say the same regarding Peter's vision telling him to eat the unclean animals...again, like this, it has nothing to do with eating unclean food (non-kosher).

You are not even engaging my argument. Please get into the details of my actual argument and explain where I am mistaken.

You guys offer this wildly implausible claim that just because the conversation Jesus was involved in starts with a handwashing focus, that somehow Jesus cannot steer the dialogue to a different, albeit related direction.

Is the food forbidden by the Law of Moses a "thing that can enter a man"?

Obviously, it is.

So if Jesus says that nothing that enters a man defiles him, how can Jesus also believe that, yes, a whole bunch of foods actually do make a man unclean, as the Law of Moses declares?

But there is even a stronger argument here: Jesus goes on to tell us that what makes a man unclean are the things that come out of his mouth. What kind of a confused person would say this while also believing that all sorts of food - and food goes in not out - also defile a man.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 26, 2018

Dave L said:
Jeremiah and Hebrews both say the New Covenant replaced the Old. The Old = the Ten Commandments and their peripheral doctrines and laws.

Indeed how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is if you do not know what the OLD is that is being replaced?

Dave L · Aug 26, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is if you do not know what the OLD is that is being replaced?

I know what the Old Covenant is. Do you?

Doug Melven · Aug 26, 2018

expos4ever said:
So if Jesus says that nothing that enters a man defiles him, how can Jesus also believe that, yes, a whole bunch of foods actually do make a man unclean, as the Law of Moses declares?

But there is even a stronger argument here: Jesus goes on to tell us that what makes a man unclean are the things that come out of his mouth. What kind of a confused person would say this while also believing that all sorts of food - and food goes in not out - also defile a man.

Paul agrees with you. He was persuaded by Jesus that nothing was unclean
Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 26, 2018

expos4ever said:
You are not even engaging my argument. Please get into the details of my actual argument and explain where I am mistaken.

You guys offer this wildly implausible claim that just because the conversation Jesus was involved in starts with a handwashing focus, that somehow Jesus cannot steer the dialogue to a different, albeit related direction.

Is the food forbidden by the Law of Moses a "thing that can enter a man"?

Obviously, it is.

So if Jesus says that nothing that enters a man defiles him, how can Jesus also believe that, yes, a whole bunch of foods actually do make a man unclean, as the Law of Moses declares?

But there is even a stronger argument here: Jesus goes on to tell us that what makes a man unclean are the things that come out of his mouth. What kind of a confused person would say this while also believing that all sorts of food - and food goes in not out - also defile a man.

You have no argument. You argue from a false position by twisting scripture to suite your opinion with no evidence whatsoever. Do you believe Peter's vision was telling him to eat the unclean animals?

expos4ever · Aug 26, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You have no argument. You argue from a false position by twisting scripture to suite your opinion with no evidence whatsoever. Do you believe Peter's vision was telling him to eat the unclean animals?

Evasion - please actually engage my argument. Then I will answer your question. This sort of dancing away from clear arguments should be arguably against forum rules.

I do have an argument (more than one, actually) and here it is again:

Is the food forbidden by the Law of Moses a "thing that can enter a man"?

Obviously, it is.

So if Jesus says that nothing that enters a man defiles him, how can Jesus also believe that, yes, a whole bunch of foods actually do make a man unclean, as the Law of Moses declares?

But there is even a stronger argument here: Jesus goes on to tell us that what makes a man unclean are the things that come out of his mouth. What kind of a confused person would say this while also believing that all sorts of food - and food goes in not out - also defile a man.

Now then, please address this simple argument and explain where the problem is.

Der Alte · Aug 26, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You have no argument. You argue from a false position by twisting scripture to suite your opinion with no evidence whatsoever. Do you believe Peter's vision was telling him to eat the unclean animals?

That is what the three passages literally say isn't it? Why is it that legalists and Judaizers totally ignore the actual words of scripture and insist that Acts 10:11-13, 11:6-7 mean something that is not even stated and does mean something that was not even stated? Since God can and did make unclean men, clean can He not also make animals clean? "You must stop calling unclean what God has made clean."
.....A swine is called הזיר from הזר, "to return", because the Lord will return it unto Israel. According to Abarbinel Rosh Amana, c. 12. fol. 18. 2.

Doug Melven · Aug 26, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You have no argument. You argue from a false position by twisting scripture to suite your opinion with no evidence whatsoever. Do you believe Peter's vision was telling him to eat the unclean animals?

No, he was not being told to actually eat.
Peter was being given an illustration of how God was no respecter of persons.
That said when God uses an illustration to make a point, that illustration can't be a lie.
When God said all things were clean, all things were clean.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 26, 2018

Dave L said:
I know what the Old Covenant is. Do you?

As shown through God's WORD in Post # 59 linked click me and Post #201 linked click me, that you have chosen to ignore and not respond to you do not. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Der Alte · Aug 26, 2018

Doug Melven said:
No, he was not being told to actually eat.
Peter was being given an illustration of how God was no respecter of persons.
That said when God uses an illustration to make a point, that illustration can't be a lie.
When God said all things were clean, all things were clean.

There is an old maxim about interpreting the Bible, "If the plain sense makes good sense, then it is nonsense to seek any other sense." People can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to by, what I call the SPAM-Fig argument. Anything that does not fit someone's assumptions/presuppositions they dismiss as symbolic, poetic, allegory, metaphor, figurative anything but literal.
.....As you said "When God said all things were clean, all, excepting nothing, were clean." That includes the the living things Peter saw in the vision. When the three men came to Peter, he understood that "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common." was not limited to animals, birds, reptiles etc. but also included men.

Dave L · Aug 27, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
As shown through God's WORD in Post # 59 linked click me and Post #201 linked click me, that you have chosen to ignore and not respond to you do not. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Jeremiah and Hebrews both say the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant (Ten Commandments). In trying to keep any of the Ten, you must do them all and reject Christ.
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.” (Galatians 3:10)

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 27, 2018

expos4ever said:
Evasion - please actually engage my argument. Then I will answer your question. This sort of dancing away from clear arguments should be arguably against forum rules.

I do have an argument (more than one, actually) and here it is again:

Is the food forbidden by the Law of Moses a "thing that can enter a man"?

Obviously, it is.

So if Jesus says that nothing that enters a man defiles him, how can Jesus also believe that, yes, a whole bunch of foods actually do make a man unclean, as the Law of Moses declares?

But there is even a stronger argument here: Jesus goes on to tell us that what makes a man unclean are the things that come out of his mouth. What kind of a confused person would say this while also believing that all sorts of food - and food goes in not out - also defile a man.

Now then, please address this simple argument and explain where the problem is.

I already have responded. Again, NOTHING that you have said is in direct context with the passages in question. You are forcing your argument into the Scriptures.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 27, 2018

Der Alter said:
That is what the three passages literally say isn't it? Why is it that legalists and Judaizers totally ignore the actual words of scripture and insist that Acts 10:11-13, 11:6-7 mean something that is not even stated and does mean something that was not even stated? Since God can and did make unclean men, clean can He not also make animals clean? "You must stop calling unclean what God has made clean."

Yet we KNOW that the vision had NOTHING to do with food. The verses even SAY the sheet had UNCLEAN animals. Peter WOULD NOT EAT because he did not understand the vision in the context it was being given in (like some are doing here)! He then understands it is about GENTILE BELIEVERS and NOT about actual food.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 27, 2018

Doug Melven said:
No, he was not being told to actually eat.
Peter was being given an illustration of how God was no respecter of persons.
That said when God uses an illustration to make a point, that illustration can't be a lie.
When God said all things were clean, all things were clean.

WHERE does He say "ALL things are clean"?

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2018

Dave L said:
Jeremiah and Hebrews both say the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant (Ten Commandments). In trying to keep any of the Ten, you must do them all and reject Christ.
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.” (Galatians 3:10)

Yet here you still are not understanding what the OLD Covenant is? If you do not know what the OLD Covenant is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is? Who is trying to keep the 10 Commandments?

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM.

How can you know what sin is if you teach there is no law?

God's WORD disagrees with your teachings.

See Post # 59 linked click me and Post #201 linked click me

Hope this helps

Dave L · Aug 27, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Yet here you still are not understanding what the OLD Covenant is? If you do not know what the OLD Covenant is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is? Who is trying to keep the 10 Commandments?

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM.

How can you know what sin is if you teach there is no law?

God's WORD disagrees with your teachings.

See Post # 59 linked click me and Post #201 linked click me

Hope this helps

The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. Please consider:

“And He (God) wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.” Exodus 34:28

“And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even the Ten Commandments.” Deuteronomy 4:13:

“When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.” Deuteronomy 9:9:

“So I turned and came down from the mount . . . and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands.” Deuteronomy 9:15:

“There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when Jehovah made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt,” I Kings 8:9

“And there have I set a place for the ark, wherein is the covenant of Jehovah, which he made with our fathers, when he brought them out of the land of Egypt.” I Kings 8:21

The second of these two texts is repeated in II Chronicles 6:11.

Consider “The ark of the covenant” that held the Ten Commandments (Numbers 10:33; Jeremiah 3:16, and other places)

Now, consider what Jeremiah says:

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:31–33)

Now consider Christ introduced the New Covenant:

“In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”” (1 Corinthians 11:25)

“who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” (2 Corinthians 3:6)

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2018

Dave L said:
The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. Please consider:

“And He (God) wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.” Exodus 34:28

“And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even the Ten Commandments.” Deuteronomy 4:13:

“When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.” Deuteronomy 9:9:

“So I turned and came down from the mount . . . and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands.” Deuteronomy 9:15:

“There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when Jehovah made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt,” I Kings 8:9

“And there have I set a place for the ark, wherein is the covenant of Jehovah, which he made with our fathers, when he brought them out of the land of Egypt.” I Kings 8:21

The second of these two texts is repeated in II Chronicles 6:11.

Consider “The ark of the covenant” that held the Ten Commandments (Numbers 10:33; Jeremiah 3:16, and other places)

Now, consider what Jeremiah says:

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:31–33)

Now consider Christ introduced the New Covenant:

“In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”” (1 Corinthians 11:25)

“who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” (2 Corinthians 3:6)

Dave your only repeating yourself again here in a post that has already been addressed with scripture that you have not responded to...

This post only shows you ignored the posts previously sent to you with all the scripture in it.

Sorry David the OLD Covenant was NOT only the 10 Commandments.

As posted above your post, the OLD COVENANT was made up of both the God's ten Commandments as well as the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. No one is saying that the OLD COVENANT did not include God's ten Commandments. What is being shared with God's WORD is that the OLD COVENANT was not just God's ten Commandments but also included the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT written by Moses.

You mix up your Shadow laws fulfilled in Christ to that which is the ETERNAL law of God and the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)

Let's look at the scripture proofs in a bit more detail and add the other scriptures you have left out. Maybe you do not know them.

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WHAT MADE UP THE OLD COVENANT?

The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of LAWS. These included God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws for forgiveness of sin offerings for the SANCTUARY and PRIESTHOOD [Levitical].

The Old Covenant included; The 10 Commandments and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT...

1. GOD'S LAW (One scripture only as we already agree on this)

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

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2. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Also part of the old covenant)

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

EXODUS 24 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

yep its not just the 10 Commandments...

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HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

EPHESIANS 2 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

What laws are written on the heart in the NEW COVENANT promise? It is not the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin...

JEREMIAH [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

2 CORINTHIANS 3 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

The NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart to LOVE through faith (ROMANS 13:8-10)

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CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE

yep it is the SHADOW laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The OLD COVENANT is made up of God's 10 Commandments and the Shadow laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

You have your shadow laws mixed up with God's eternal LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken. * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:11; 1 JOHN 3:4

Hope this helps :wave:

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2018

@Dave L continued...

GOD'S WORD ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD'S LAW AND THE MOSAIC LAWS

A. GOD'S LAW (Ten Commandments)

1. Called the "TEN COMMANDMENTS" (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4)
2. Spoken by God himself to God's people (Exodus 20:1-19).
3. The Ten Commandments were the work of God alone (Exodus 32:16)
4. Written by God with his own finger (Exodus 32:16)
5. Written on two tables of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13
6. Placed INSIDE the ARK OF THE COVENANT (Deuteronomy 10:5)
7. God gave it (Exodus 31:18)
8. Describes how to LOVE God and your fellow man (Matthew 22:36-40)
9. Laws to give a knowledge of SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172)
10. Only TEN COMMANDMENT (Deuteronomy 4:13)
11. Moral law towards God and man standard of right doing (Exodus 20:1-17)
12. Transgression of the Ten Commandments is sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20)
13. Ten Commandments are FOREVER (Psalms 111:7-8; Matthew 5:17-19; Luke 16:17)
14. Jesus came to magnify and make it honourable (Isaiah 42:21; Matthew 5:17-28)
15. God's LAW is PERFECT (Psalms 19:7; James 1:25)
16. God makes a distinction separating His LAW and the laws of Moses (2 Kings 21:8; Deut 10:5)

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B. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT

1. Called the "BOOK OF THE COVENANT" (Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 31:26; 29:21 etc).
2. Spoken by Moses to God's people (Exodus 24:4-7)
3. The Book of the Covenant was the work of Moses (Deuteronomy 31:24)
4. Written by Moses (Deuteronomy 31:24)
5. Written in a book (Deuteronomy 31:24
6. Placed BESIDE THE ARK OF THE COVENANT (Deuteronomy 31:26)
7. Moses gave it (Deuteronomy 31:24-26)
8. Describes God's plan of salvation (Torah; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy)
9. Laws in ordinances for forgiveness of sin (Leviticus 16)
10. Many laws and ordinances (Civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, sanitary and health, sacrificial)
11. Laws for remission of sin, civil order, health and hygiene and God plan of salvation (Torah)
12. Prescribes offerings for forgiveness of sin (Leviticus 16)
13. Not FOREVER. Is a SHADOW pointing to Christ and God's plan of salvation (Hebrews 7:12; Colossians 2:14; Galatians 3:19; )
14. Ended at the cross and fulfilled in Christ as our true sacrifice (Colossians 2:14)
15. Made nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:19)
16. God makes a distinction separating His LAW and the laws of Moses (2 Kings 21:8; Deut 31:26)

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WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF GOD'S LAW AND THE MOSAIC BOOK OF LAW?

1. GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13)

The purpose of God's Law (10 Commandments) was to point out sin and the penalty of sin (Romans 3:20; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin just like it is in the New Covenant (Hebrews 7:19).

It is the foundation of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant and the very foundation of the Judgement that each one of us will be judged by in the last days. God's Law is forever. The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7).
It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matthew 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Romans 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14 Romans 7:22). The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Galatians 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law (Romans 3:31), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4) through love (Romans 13:10).

You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.

2. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVANANT (Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 31:26)

The purpose of the laws of Moses; was to describe God's plan of salvation from sin (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Numbers). The purpose of the laws of Moses written in the BOOK OF THE COVENANT was to provide a cure for sin in the OLD COVENANT through animal sacrifices, food and drink offerings, annual festivals connected to New Moons etc. The laws of Moses, especially the laws for remission of sin where shadows laws which were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT (Leviticus 16; John 1:29; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10-12) fulfilled at the coming of Jesus and finished at the cross (Hebrews 7:12; Colossians 2:14; Galatians 3:19). Now we are in the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12) Jesus is our great high priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary. The shadows are fulfilled in him and point to him as the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29; Hebrews 7; Hebrews 8; Hebrews 9; Hebrews 10)

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CONCLUSION: Yep as you can see above the scriptures show very clearly that the OLD COVENANT is made up of both God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT. Together these are the laws that made up the OLD COVENANT and it is God that makes a distinction between the two.

The Ten Commandments is God's ETERNAL LAW written on stone in the OLD COVENANT to be written on the HEART in the NEW COVENANT. It gives us a knowledge of what sin is and is the very standard of the OLD AND NEW COVENANTS and the judgment to come. While the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT points to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

There is a lot of scripture that disagrees with you here Dave, please take it to God in prayer before responding.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

Hope this helps :wave:

Dave L · Aug 27, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
@Dave L continued...

GOD'S WORD ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD'S LAW AND THE MOSAIC LAWS

A. GOD'S LAW (Ten Commandments)

1. Called the "TEN COMMANDMENTS" (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4)
2. Spoken by God himself to God's people (Exodus 20:1-19).
3. The Ten Commandments were the work of God alone (Exodus 32:16)
4. Written by God with his own finger (Exodus 32:16)
5. Written on two tables of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13
6. Placed INSIDE the ARK OF THE COVENANT (Deuteronomy 10:5)
7. God gave it (Exodus 31:18)
8. Describes how to LOVE God and your fellow man (Matthew 22:36-40)
9. Laws to give a knowledge of SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172)
10. Only TEN COMMANDMENT (Deuteronomy 4:13)
11. Moral law towards God and man standard of right doing (Exodus 20:1-17)
12. Transgression of the Ten Commandments is sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20)
13. Ten Commandments are FOREVER (Psalms 111:7-8; Matthew 5:17-19; Luke 16:17)
14. Jesus came to magnify and make it honourable (Isaiah 42:21; Matthew 5:17-28)
15. God's LAW is PERFECT (Psalms 19:7; James 1:25)
16. God makes a distinction separating His LAW and the laws of Moses (2 Kings 21:8; Deut 10:5)

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B. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT

1. Called the "BOOK OF THE COVENANT" (Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 31:26; 29:21 etc).
2. Spoken by Moses to God's people (Exodus 24:4-7)
3. The Book of the Covenant was the work of Moses (Deuteronomy 31:24)
4. Written by Moses (Deuteronomy 31:24)
5. Written in a book (Deuteronomy 31:24
6. Placed BESIDE THE ARK OF THE COVENANT (Deuteronomy 31:26)
7. Moses gave it (Deuteronomy 31:24-26)
8. Describes God's plan of salvation (Torah; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy)
9. Laws in ordinances for forgiveness of sin (Leviticus 16)
10. Many laws and ordinances (Civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, sanitary and health, sacrificial)
11. Laws for remission of sin, civil order, health and hygiene and God plan of salvation (Torah)
12. Prescribes offerings for forgiveness of sin (Leviticus 16)
13. Not FOREVER. Is a SHADOW pointing to Christ and God's plan of salvation (Hebrews 7:12; Colossians 2:14; Galatians 3:19; )
14. Ended at the cross and fulfilled in Christ as our true sacrifice (Colossians 2:14)
15. Made nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:19)
16. God makes a distinction separating His LAW and the laws of Moses (2 Kings 21:8; Deut 31:26)

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WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF GOD'S LAW AND THE MOSAIC BOOK OF LAW?

1. GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13)

The purpose of God's Law (10 Commandments) was to point out sin and the penalty of sin (Romans 3:20; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin just like it is in the New Covenant (Hebrews 7:19).

It is the foundation of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant and the very foundation of the Judgement that each one of us will be judged by in the last days. God's Law is forever. The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7).
It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matthew 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Romans 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14 Romans 7:22). The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Galatians 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law (Romans 3:31), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4) through love (Romans 13:10).

You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.

2. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVANANT (Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 31:26)

The purpose of the laws of Moses; was to describe God's plan of salvation from sin (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Numbers). The purpose of the laws of Moses written in the BOOK OF THE COVENANT was to provide a cure for sin in the OLD COVENANT through animal sacrifices, food and drink offerings, annual festivals connected to New Moons etc. The laws of Moses, especially the laws for remission of sin where shadows laws which were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT (Leviticus 16; John 1:29; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10-12) fulfilled at the coming of Jesus and finished at the cross (Hebrews 7:12; Colossians 2:14; Galatians 3:19). Now we are in the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12) Jesus is our great high priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary. The shadows are fulfilled in him and point to him as the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29; Hebrews 7; Hebrews 8; Hebrews 9; Hebrews 10)

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CONCLUSION: Yep as you can see above the scriptures show very clearly that the OLD COVENANT is made up of both God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT. Together these are the laws that made up the OLD COVENANT and it is God that makes a distinction between the two.

The Ten Commandments is God's ETERNAL LAW written on stone in the OLD COVENANT to be written on the HEART in the NEW COVENANT. It gives us a knowledge of what sin is and is the very standard of the OLD AND NEW COVENANTS and the judgment to come. While the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT points to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

There is a lot of scripture that disagrees with you here Dave, please take it to God in prayer before responding.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

Hope this helps

It still remains the Old Covenant = the Ten Commandments now abolished.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2018

Dave L said:
It still remains the Old Covenant = the Ten Commandments now abolished.

Well that it not what the Bible teaches. How can you know what the new Covenant is if you do not understand what the OLD Covenant is?

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