ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?

LoveGodsWord · Aug 26, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Yes, there are those festivals that are clearly shadows. I agree. But the Sabbath day is also a shadow of the Rest we find in the Redeemer. We are to rest in the Creator, not a day. The day part makes it a shadow of the bigger picture.

And where is the scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath?

1stcenturylady said:
Your rebuttal is the Sabbath was made before sin entered the world, yet 1 Peter 1:20 shows their foreknowledge, that Jesus was foreordained before the foundation of the world, and thus, sin. Don't forget, Satan had already sinned.

Yet again you ignore what was posted to you in the next post in regards to the GREEK meaning of the scriptures in 1 Peter 1:20. Please read post # 174 linked.

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Now let's examine your argument.

You say that all of the above is not true because of 1 PETER 1:17-20. You claim that God's 4th Commandments [the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] is a Shadow? Let's have a look at the scripture and see if what is said there makes everything posted above untrue?

1 PETER 1:17-20
[17], And if you call on the Father, who without respect of persons judges according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Yep there is a judgment coming and the standard of the judment is the 10 Commandments.

[18], For as much as you know that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

The word redeemed for within scripture context is that we are not saved with silver or Gold, it points to v19.

[19], But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

From v18 we are not saved by silver or gold but by the precious blood of Christ which is without spot.

[20], Who truly was foreordained [GREEK is προγινώσκω and it means to know beforehand, that is, foresee: - foreknow (ordain), know (before)] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.

Please pay attention this is the key point of the scripture you posted. The GREEK word used here for FORORDAINED προγινώσκω and it means to know beforehand, that is, foresee: - foreknow (ordain), to KNOW BEFORE.

So the scripture here does not say God's plan of salvation was GIVEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. The scripture is saying that God is omniscient, he knew what was to happed before it happened. This is where you make your mistake in your interpretation of the scriptures. No one is arguing that God did not see the future and had a plan for it. Was this plan inplemented BEFORE SIN ENTERED THE WORLD? Absolutely not because mankind was in perfect harmony with God. So how can the Sabbath be a Shadow when there was NO SIN and it was a part of a FINISHED WORD?

God knew before what was going to happen is one thing but as posted earlier God's plan of salvation was never given BEFORE SIN entered the world when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and creation.

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NOW Question time again

Q. WAS the SABBATH made as part of an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?

A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!

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Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?

A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God's as the CREATOR and GOD's CREATION.

Q. Based on God's WORD alone is the SABBATH commandment a Shadow law if it is a part of God's 10 Commandments and was made before SIN entered into the World and BEFORE God's plan of salvation for sin was given to mankind?

A. Nope it is impossible because the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made at creation when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and all creation, there was no sin and no need of God's plan of salvation.

Now we have gone through all the scriptures posted in detail can you see your mistake?

LoveGodsWord · Aug 26, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Bullying again.

BTW, why do you hide how old you are? Are you a teenager?

I am not sure how you think sharing God's WORD with you is bullying anyone. Your the one changing the subject when we start sharing God's WORD, not me. If you wish to stop the discussion then you are free to believe and do as you wish. We will have to agree to disagree. Do as you feel is good. No pressure its only a christian discussion board.

expos4ever · Aug 26, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Now let's connect the scriptures verse by verse which you simply ignored from the previous post yout making here..

You do not help your case by forcing us to forge through such lengthy posts. You will argue the detail is necessary; that could be, but surely you can make your case more efficiently.

LoveGodsWord said:
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GALATIANS 3:17-25

[17], And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot cancel, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Indeed we are under the NEW COVENANT promise to LOVE. (Hebrews 8:10-12)

[18], For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

The promise of Salvation from sin is God's promise received by FAITH (Romans 3:22; 1:17)

Sure, faith is important, but this is not the point. The very text you are talking about here signals us that this is an historical argument - about the unfolding long-term redemption story. To wit:

"the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after"

LoveGodsWord said:
[19] Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Now careful here brother. What law is being referred to in v19, God's LAW (10 Commandments or the Shadow laws for remission of sin from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT?

What law was ordained by Angels in the hand of a mediator [μεσίτης GREEK means A GO BETWEEN]? God's 10 Commandments were not given by Angels in the hands of a mediator (go between). God's 10 Commandments were spoken by God himself to his people and written by God alone on two tables of stone.

You are making my case for me - you are agreeing that this is an account of a history, not of experiences in the life of the believer. And, in fact, the following statement strongly hints that that the Law is coming to an end:

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come

Well the seed has indeed come, and the "till" strongly implies that the need for the Law has come to an end.

I find the rest of your post too confusing to deal with. My argument, by contrast is really very simple: the entire chapter is a history of God's redemptive work. So when we read that the Law is no longer needed to tutor us - and given that we know Paul talks elsewhere about the role of the Spirit, to wit:

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the [d]Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

- we naturally conclude that, like a tutor who is no longer needed, it is retired with honour.

Now please, be merciful - tighten up your argument and stop blasting us with zillions of texts.

I see nowhere for you to go on this - the historical flavour of the chapter forces us to the see end of the tutorship as indicating a new phase in redemption history where the law is not needed.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 26, 2018

expos4ever said:
You do not help your case by forcing us to forge through such lengthy posts. You will argue the detail is necessary; that could be, but surely you can make your case more efficiently.

Sure, faith is important, but this is not the point. The very text you are talking about here signals us that this is an historical argument - about the unfolding long-term redemption story. To wit:

"the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after"

You are making my case for me - you are agreeing that this is an account of a history, not of experiences in the life of the believer. And, in fact, the following statement strongly hints that that the Law is coming to an end:

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come

Well the seed has indeed come, and the "till" strongly implies that the need for the Law has come to an end.

I find the rest of your post too confusing to deal with. My argument, by contrast is really very simple: the entire chapter is a history of God's redemptive work. So when we read that the Law is no longer needed to tutor us - and given that we know Paul talks elsewhere about the role of the Spirit, to wit:

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the [d]Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

- we naturally conclude that, like a tutor who is no longer needed, it is retired with honour.

Now please, be merciful - tighten up your argument and stop blasting us with zillions of texts.

I see nowhere for you to go on this - the historical flavour of the chapter forces us to the see end of the tutorship as indicating a new phase in redemption history where the law is not needed.

Sorry expos4ever, I love God's WORD and love the detail. It is the detail that is important in my view. The posts are only sent as a help to those who love God's WORD. Now the post here has already been answered in detail showing within scripture and chapter context. Your only repeating yourself. May I suggest rather then repeating yourself. Please address and respond to my posts (the whole post you are resonding to) and all the scriptures and questions in them that have already adressed this post.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother expos4ever,

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

4meta · Aug 26, 2018

If God's commandments are abolished then I can do the following:
NOT LOVE THE LORD
1) I can have other gods before me
2) I can represent the God with graven images
3) I can take the Lord's name in vain
4) I can forget the sabbath day as if it never existed

5) I can dishonor my mother & father

NOT LOVE MY NEIGHBOR
6) I can kill
7) I can sleep with your spouse whenever I want to
8) I can steal
9) I can create false rumors about someone
10) I can desire to have what you have...even your spouse

Sin is the transgression of the law. If the 10 commandments are abolished then there is NO sin. If sin still exists while the 10 commandments have been abolished, then ask yourself, what law is being broken?

I believe the 10 commandments have not been abolished.

If this is incorrect thinking, someone please provide scripture (the word of God; & not your own explanation) stating otherwise.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 26, 2018

4meta said:
If God's commandments are abolished then I can do the following:
NOT LOVE THE LORD
1) I can have other gods before me
2) I can represent the God with graven images
3) I can take the Lord's name in vain
4) I can forget the sabbath day as if it never existed

5) I can dishonor my mother & father

NOT LOVE MY NEIGHBOR
6) I can kill
7) I can sleep with your spouse whenever I want to
8) I can steal
9) I can create false rumors about someone
10) I can desire to have what you have...even your spouse

Sin is the transgression of the law. If the 10 commandments are abolished then there is NO sin. If sin still exists while the 10 commandments have been abolished, then ask yourself, what law is being broken?

I believe the 10 commandments have not been abolished.

Hi 4meta, so nice to meet you here and welcome to this thread!

Your post is so simple and yet right to the point of the OP here. God has given us his LAW for a reason. It is our duty of LOVE to God and our fellow man. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here. They are greatly appreciated.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD :wave:

4meta · Aug 26, 2018

Thank you brother for the welcome. God's word is simple if we allow it to be. I do not find the bible difficult to understand but at times, find it difficult to accept how God truly views the world. It's wonderful to be taught by God's word & I do the best I can to accept the truth of myself by the word that helps me to continue to work on being a stronger individual by continuously working on my faith. I've heard many tell me all you have to do is believe but barely hear them say OBEY!

May God bless you on your continuing to obtain wisdom through his WORD :oldthumbsup:

expos4ever · Aug 26, 2018

4meta said:
If God's commandments are abolished then I can do the following:
NOT LOVE THE LORD
1) I can have other gods before me
2) I can represent the God with graven images
3) I can take the Lord's name in vain
4) I can forget the sabbath day as if it never existed

5) I can dishonor my mother & father

NOT LOVE MY NEIGHBOR
6) I can kill
7) I can sleep with your spouse whenever I want to
8) I can steal
9) I can create false rumors about someone
10) I can desire to have what you have...even your spouse

Not true.

Paul teaches, at great length actually, how the Spirit replaces the Law:

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the [d]Spirit and not in oldness of the letter

So we have every reason to be confident that the Spirit will prompt us to live the way God wishes us to.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 26, 2018

expos4ever said:
With all respect, it appears you are simply dancing away from my argument yet again!

Not at all you were provided with a detailed scripture response verse by verse from GALATIANS 3:17-25 showing the within scripture and chapter context of Galatians 3:22-25.

expos4ever said:
This is not rocket science - my argument is that 3:24 is not about what happens in the life of a believer; it is about a step in God's grand narrative of redemption where the Law is no longer needed by anyone.

The within scripture and chapter context of post # 242 disagrees witrh you linked CLICK ME

expos4ever said:
That the overall argument in the chapter is historical in nature is mind-numbingly obvious, to be frank. Yet, you appear unable to accept this. I will answer your questions, but they are not relevant to my point, which you simply refuse to deal with.

No it isn't as shown already in post # 242 and the surrounding context

The questions asked...

LoveGod'sWord said: Now in relation to the above claims that God's LAW is not our teacher when God's WORD clearly says that it is, please answer these questions below with scripture alone...

1. IF there is no LAW how can we have a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is?
2. IF we have no knowledge of what sin is how do we know that we are sinners?
3. If we do not know that we are sinners how do we know we need a Saviour?
4. If we have no Saviour and we are all sinners but do not know it how do know it how are we lead to Christ that we can be justified by Faith?

Your answers...

expos4ever said:
1. As Paul repeatedly argues all over the place, the Spirit replaces the Law. Presumably, the Spirit can give us awareness of sin.

Your missing the point of the question asked here and have not answered it. How do you come to christ to be justified by faith when you do not know you are a sinner?

expos4ever said:
2. See answer to question 1 - the Spirit teaches us.

Nope faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Romans 10:17) God's Spirit works through his WORD (John 6:63).

expos4ever said:
3. We know that we are sinners by the Spirit.

God's Spirit convicts the world of sin and righteousness and judgment to come but without God's WORD and without the LAW in God's WORD there is no knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) God's spirit does not work outside of the WORD of God it works through it.

expos4ever said:
4. Same answer - the Spirit.

DITTO see previous response. Jesus is the living WORD of GOD and this is where God's SPIRIT is. No WORD, No Spirit. "The WORDs that I speak unto you they are Spirit and they are life (John 6:63). Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4).

Can you see your error here in thinking that God's Spirit does not work through God's WORD?

expos4ever said:
The rest of your lengthy argument really only evades the point:

Not at all post # 242 has provided within scripture and chapter context and it disagrees with your understanding of the scriptures.

expos4ever said:
So when we read that the Law we are no longer under a tutor, Paul is saying that, as the next step in unfolding redemption narrative, we no longer need the Law now that we have the Spirit. I will address the rest in my next post.

Not really brother, v25 as shown in post # 242 shows through the scriptures that to be "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty of breaking it. Paul has already defined this elsewhere (Romans 3:19-20). God's LAW leads us to Christ that we might be justified by faith because it shows us our need of Christ as sinners. It leads us to the foot of the cross where we can see Jesus. Nothing as an offering to bring. No excuses but to simply accept the free gift of God's Love and promise of forgiveness. When we are forgiven we are no longer UNDER THE LAW and guilty of sin because of the precious blood of Christ. We are no longer condemned by the law and are free to Love him who first loved us.

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Brother, with all due respect as shown above you have not adressed anything in post # 242.

Hope this helps :wave:

corinth77777 · Aug 26, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi corinth77777, nice to see you again brother.

So you know that the SEVENTH DAY is the SABBATH right? Hebrews 3-4 is discussing that if we do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW all of God's WORD then we cannot enter into God's rest which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH. Take some time to go over the post and highlighted scriptures. It does not say that the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is a Shadow and it does not say that Jesus is a Sabbath. See post 196 linked click me.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD

You see ...I've experience Forgiveness of sins....When God washed me I knew it....Peace and Joy......just as The Bible says...
However we must continue in His rest the rest of our lives by trusting Him.......sabbath is Eternal abundant life to me...it's a way of life...

JLB777 · Aug 26, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
I have tried in the past to share God's WORD with you but you never respond to any of my posts or do you attempt to address the scriptures in these posts that disagree with your teachings, yet you expect me to answer all your posts which out of courtesy I have normally done in the past.

All I have asked for is a scripture from Jesus or His Apostles that specifically teach and instruct the Church how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

So if you have have one then please share it with all of us.

Maybe you are teaching we are to observe the Sabbath as the law of Moses commands?

Is that what you are suggesting?

Here is your statement from the OP.

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.

Please go ahead a show us the specific verse from Hebrews 4 that teaches us to keep the Sabbath.

If you can’t point out the verse from Hebrews 4 that commands the Church to observe the Sabbath, then please apologize for posting something that isn’t true.

JLB

4meta · Aug 26, 2018

expos4ever said:
Not true.

Paul teaches, at great length actually, how the Spirit replaces the Law:

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the [d]Spirit and not in oldness of the letter

So we have every reason to be confident that the Spirit will prompt us to live the way God wishes us to.

The title of the thread is "Are God's 10 Commandments Abolished?"
The short answer is no.

Let's stay on that topic. In regards to Paul, he explained clearly that it is the law that make us aware that we are sinning. The law (10 commandments) is the knowledge of sin. Read Romans 3:19-21

The law (10 commandments which were broken down by Jesus & Paul in the new testament) has become the law of faith! What does that imply? That implies that if we have faith (believe) in God, we will strive to do as he commanded (or instructed us on how to live). That is why Paul stated a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Read Romans 3:24-28

Now you said the "spirit" replaces the law. Paul asked a similar question....
Romans 3: 31
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish (or make firm; uphold) the law.

Now let's keep listening to Paul go even further in explaining the "law." You quoted me Romans 7:6. I strongly recommend you to continue reading Romans 7:7-25 to obtain the full understanding of serving in newness of the Spirit & not in the oldness of the letter.

Summarizing Romans 7th chapter, Paul is telling us that it's the law that makes him ware of sin. He specifically states in Romans 7:8, for without the law, sin is dead. In other words, Paul is saying sin can not exist without the law. If there is no sin, there is no need for the law.

Paul continues to explain how the law & commandment of God is spiritual, holy, just & good. He explains how the law & sin coexist among each other & how the law makes him aware of the wrong doing he can do and how he needs the law to remind him of this. Towards the end of Romans 7, Paul calls himself a wretched man & asks who shall deliver him from the body of this death? Pauls continue to say in the last verse...
Romans 7:25
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul has concluded that through our faith in God, we establish (uphold) the law which basically reminds us what sin is & what sin can do to us if we choose to live through the flesh & not with the spirit of God.

Question...If the commandments were abolished, what other way can WE show our love God when John stated in 1 John 5:1-3;
5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Here are these commandments again. Looks like they are not going anywhere because if we have faith (belief) in God, we will strive with all our might to establish (uphold) his law which is spiritual, holy, good & just.

corinth77777 · Aug 27, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
How can the Sabbath be everyday? It is God's 4th Commandment where no work is to be done. There is no scripture in all the bible that says God's Sabbath is everyday brother corinth. Please feel free to provide the scripture?

Just means when I leave my burdens in his hands He gives me rest. I KNOW WHERE MY HELP COMES FROM EVERYDAY...IT COMES FROM THE LORD.

Matthew 11:28

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2018

corinth77777 said:
You see ...I've experience Forgiveness of sins....When God washed me I knew it....Peace and Joy......just as The Bible says...
However we must continue in His rest the rest of our lives by trusting Him.......sabbath is Eternal abundant life to me...it's a way of life...

Hi brother corinth77777,

Please I pray that you may be patient and consider this post very carefully and prayerfully. I see that God is calling you through his WORD. Please take the time to read this post to you carefully, it will no take to long to go through these scriputures.

When we first come to Jesus. It is based on faith alone and also on all the knowledge that God has revealed to us at any given point of our conversion. After we come to Jesus by faith and recieve his peace and joy we are babes in Christ because we do not know much and at this time we are all held accountable to God for what we know and not what we do not know in the truth of his Word.

At this time we are to GROW in Christ to have a closer walk with him day by day. This is the provess of Sanctification and as some say is the work of a lifetime growing every day in and learning how to walk in faith in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD.

The Holy Spirit as we continue in God's WORD will help us to have a closer walk with Jesus as we learn of him through his WORD God expects us to change our lives and to live up to all the light he reveals to us through his Word.

2 PETER 3:17-18 [17]
[17], You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things before, beware lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
[18], But grow in grace, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 PETER 1:1-8
[1], Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ:
[2], Grace and peace be multiplied to you through the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST,
[3], According as his divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the KNOWLEDGE of him that has called us to glory and virtue:
[4], Whereby are given to us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[5], And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue KNOWLEDGE;
[6], And to KNOWLEDGE temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[7], And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[8], For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that you shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord Jesus Christ.

now in times of IGNORANCE when we do not know any better as we are babes and children growing in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD, God does not hold us accountable to things we do not know and to things he has not revealed to us or has not taught us.

ACTS 17:30
[30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at [does not hold us accountable]; BUT NOW [WHEN A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH HAS COME] commands all men every where to repent.

When God reveals to us a KNOWLEDGE of the truth, then he expects us to change [REPENT] and to BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. At this time God has revealed to us a new KNOWLEDGE to help us to have a closer walk with him.

At EVERY POINT in the Christian life, as we grow in grace and in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD, we have a decision to make. Do I NOW BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD? Or do I not BELIEVE God's WORD and not change our lives?

If we choose NOT to BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD or simply BELIEVE but DO NOT FOLLOW God's WORD because we LOVE SIN more then having a closer walk with Jesus until we REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD we become "UNBELIEVERS" No unbeliever has part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have fallen from Grace.

JAMES 4:17 [17] Therefore to him that KNOWS to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

If we reject God's WORD when Jesus is calling us to GROW in GRACE and in the KNOWLEDGE of his WORD it is the same as rejecting Jesus.

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,[27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

It is only as we CONTINUE in God's WORD gainig a KNOWLEDGE to Follow Jesus that we continue to be his disciples.

JOHN 8:31 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD, then are you my disciples indeed [this means CONTINUE TO GROW in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD, BY BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD]; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

If we fail to CONTINUE in his WORD BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD then at that point we no longer are his Children. Many Christians will be lost come judgment day because when God revlealed more of his WORD to them to help them to have a closer walk with Jesus they choose their SINS over the WORD of God.

JOHN 3:19 [19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) God's 4th commandments is not a Shadow law. It is one of the 10 Commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin. If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Please prayerfully pray about this my brother. I believe God has written this post for your consideration.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD :wave:

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2018

corinth77777 said:
Just means when I leave my burdens in his hands He gives me rest. I KNOW WHERE MY HELP COMES FROM EVERYDAY...IT COMES FROM THE LORD.

Matthew 11:28

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

This unfortunately is not the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a memorial of creation GENESIS 2:1-3. MATTHEW 11:28 is in reference to the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us a knowledge of sin. There is no scripture that teaches Jesus is the Sabbath.

1stcenturylady · Aug 27, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Try responding to the complete post and all the scriptures in them. Hebrews 4:1-5 in reference to Genesis 2:1-3 and v 9..

HEBREWS 4:9 Aramaic Bible in Plain English
So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

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INTERLINEAR HEBREWS 4:9

αρα απολειπεται σαββατισμος τω λαω του θεου
So then there remains a Sabbath rest to the people - of God

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Parallel translations of HEBREWS 4:9

New International Version
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

English Standard Version
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

Berean Study Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Berean Literal Bible
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

New American Standard Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.

International Standard Version
There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God to keep,

NET Bible
Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God.

New Heart English Bible
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

New American Standard 1977
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

American Standard Version
There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

Darby Bible Translation
There remains then a sabbatism to the people of God.

English Revised Version
There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

Weymouth New Testament
It follows that there still remains a sabbath rest for the people of God.

World English Bible
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Young's Literal Translation
there doth remain, then, a Sabbatic rest to the people of God,

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continuing...

[10], For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

Yep lots of scripture here showing that if you do not enter into God's Gospel rest you cannot enter his SABBATH REST. v 1-4 is the context of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH confirmed in v9-11

Hebrews 3-4 is talking about the Gospel and the keeping of God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD.

There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God. Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief v9-11. HEBREWS 4 supports the keeping of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH by believing and following the Word of God.

Hope this helps.

The Sabbath rest is not about the Sabbath day - 7th day of the week. The 7th day Sabbath is not an eternal law. Only eternal laws are written on the heart.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2018

JLB777 said:
All I have asked for is a scripture from Jesus or His Apostles that specifically teach and instruct the Church how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

So if you have have one then please share it with all of us.

Maybe you are teaching we are to observe the Sabbath as the law of Moses commands?

Is that what you are suggesting?

Here is your statement from the OP.

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.

Please go ahead a show us the specific verse from Hebrews 4 that teaches us to keep the Sabbath.

If you can’t point out the verse from Hebrews 4 that commands the Church to observe the Sabbath, then please apologize for posting something that isn’t true.

JLB

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May God help you as you seek him through his WORD.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
The Sabbath rest is not about the Sabbath day - 7th day of the week. The 7th day Sabbath is not an eternal law. Only eternal laws are written on the heart.

Yet here you are again, arguing against God's WORD with your own? Every one of God's eternal laws are expressed in action. If you Love your neigbor will you go out and kill him?

1stcenturylady · Aug 27, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Yet here you are again, arguing against God's WORD with your own? Every one of God's eternal laws are expressed in action. If you Love your neigbor will you go out and kill him?

Love is eternal. The Sabbath is not an eternal law.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 27, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Love is eternal. The Sabbath is not an eternal law.

LOVE is indeed eternal because God is LOVE and this is why Jesus says..

MATTHEW 22:36-40 On these two commandments [LOVE TO GOD and LOVE TO MAN] HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

and again PAUL says in ROMANS...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

1 JOHN 4:7-8 [7], Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loves is born of God, and knows God. [8], He that loves not knows not God; for God is love.

1 JOHN 5:3 [3], For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

As God's Sabbath is one of the 10 Commandments that express our duty of LOVE to GOD then is it eternal as well (Isaiah 66:22-23).

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD

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