Will those standing before God in judgment even ask for salvation?

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Will those standing before God in judgment even ask for salvation?


Hi Nicholas. It doesn't derail the thread, as it ties right in to the condition of those unrepentant souls standing before the White Throne of God, and HOW they got there, and whether they would even WANT to repent.

Unfortunately they are forever in the same tragic condition that they will be in for all of eternity.

Unrepentant.

Tragic, isn't it?
The subject that I thought you were replying to and taking issue with was whether the Holy Spirit will be present after the rapture or not?

Indeed, those that are condemned will never repent and will remain in the same condition of spiritual death forever, that's a biblical promise. However, the Bible doesn't say that the Holy Spirit will be gone from the earth after the rapture. The Holy Spirit is God, he's always everywhere.
 
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Can you prove it with Scriptures ?
The wages of sin is death....and you have the gift of reading that.
Lucky you considering your payment due.

Death entered the world through Adam.

Jesus came to save man, not animals.
 
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The subject that I thought you were replying to and taking issue with was whether the Holy Spirit will be present after the rapture or not?

Indeed, those that are condemned will never repent and will remain in the same condition of spiritual death forever, that's a biblical promise. However, the Bible doesn't say that the Holy Spirit will be gone from the earth after the rapture. The Holy Spirit is God, he's always everywhere.

Why would the Holy Spirit be present after the rapture?

And you are correct, now that i think about it....this might be the subject of another thread.

Good point.

Thank you Nicolaus. :)
 
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Why would the Holy Spirit be present after the rapture?

And you are correct, now that i think about it....this might be the subject of another thread.

Good point.

Thank you Nicolaus. :)
Anytime Brinny. :oldthumbsup:
 
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I believe it will be too late for faith. I base this upon God's Word, one passage being:

Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

And these are referring to people who just THINK they are believers but aren't really. I can see no other judgment for those who actually deny Christ in life. In fact, I believe that everyone's name is written in the Book of Life when they are born. It takes rejection of Christ to have it removed. (There's Scripture for this too).
 
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Sequential events are due to the deteriation
of creation, so Adam and Eve would not experience
death before the Fall. Time did not exist.

Genesis 1 clearly indicates the passage of time (each day of creation) and it was before the fall.
 
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The argument assumes that God loves those who are in Hell. He does not.

Jeremiah 17:5 - For thus says the LORD: "Do not enter the house of mourning, nor go to lament or bemoan them; for I have taken away My peace from this people," says the Lord, "even lovingkindness and mercies."

There comes a point when God removes His grace and love from a person. When He has sent a reprobate to Hell to suffer the punishments of eternal suffering in fiery torment forever, that tells me that God don't love you anymore.
 
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Repenting only comes after faith. You can't feel sorry for your actions if you are the ....trump.
Faith in what? If you are in the presence of God do you have faith in God's existence or is that knowledge? Saving faith?
 
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The argument assumes that God loves those who are in Hell. He does not.

Jeremiah 17:5 - For thus says the LORD: "Do not enter the house of mourning, nor go to lament or bemoan them; for I have taken away My peace from this people," says the Lord, "even lovingkindness and mercies."

There comes a point when God removes His grace and love from a person. When He has sent a reprobate to Hell to suffer the punishments of eternal suffering in fiery torment forever, that tells me that God don't love you anymore.
When did he stop Loving them?
 
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Faith in what? If you are in the presence of God do you have faith in God's existence or is that knowledge? Saving faith?
You are not privileged to the presence of God without Faith in His existence.
Note that Jesus was Crucified as an illustration of this.
Only believers have to deal with reality.
 
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Very often I come across the argument that a loving God cannot send a person to hell. And while the usual reply is that people send themselves there, this fact is sometimes seen as irrelevant under the assumption that, once in hell, people will be begging for God to forgive them. But I'm not so sure that such an assumption is correct.

I feel that God must, on account of His good and loving nature and the fulfillment of scripture, forgive any and all who sincerely call upon Him to be saved. There are a myriad of scriptures in the Bible that attest to the fact that the Lord will turn no one away who calls upon Him. And because there are no qualifications attached to such scriptures, I conclude that those who will ultimately stand before God will, at no point, repent of their wickedness.

There is harmony in the scriptures - at no point should two scriptures conflict with one another. It's because of this, for example, that we know that those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit will never actually seek salvation, and that if one does in fact seek salvation, it is proof that said person cannot actually be guilty of committing the unpardonable sin. I believe this same line of reasoning applies to those who die in their sins, as Romans 10:13 does not say, "Whosoever should call upon the name of the Lord, while still alive, shall be saved.".

At no point in the Bible does it indicate that people in judgment will attempt to repent. In fact, the Bible teaches that in the tribulation, even after intense and ongoing suffering the likes of which causes those who suffer to wish they were dead Revelation 9:6, they still will not repent. Revelation 16:11

It's because they cannot repent. All who receive the mark of the Beast are damned. Revelation 14:9-11 There is no salvation for the same reason as when a person blasphemes the Holy Spirit: the Holy Spirit is gone, and can no longer lead them to repentance.

Seeing as how we live before the rapture, it is hard to imagine the state of a man being so wicked and evil that he wouldn't repent no matter how great his suffering, but the truth is that, until the rapture, the Holy Spirit is in the world convicting men of sin; it is the Holy Spirit which prevents people from sliding all the way into a level of darkness precluding repentance. Once the Holy Spirit leaves this world, having been raptured along with the church, there will be nothing left to prevent the spiral of mankind into the abyss; there will be nothing left to convict mankind of sin. This is why the people of that day will refuse to repent, and no matter how much suffering and fear they endure. Again, I believe this also holds true in the age to come.

Notice how the Bible never suggests that a person in hell, or damned to hell, will attempt to repent. The rich man never repented. He merely asks for water and for his brothers to be warned. The people who come to Jesus on the day of judgment never repent. In fact, they make excuses. And on the day of judgment it is said that the people actually run from God! They want NO PART of the Lord. Revelation 20:11. The Word of God says that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Luke 13:28 The weeping is understandable, though it is not repentance. They are upset because of their own predicament. But the gnashing of teeth? This indicates intense hatred and anger, just as it did when Stephen was stoned. Acts 7:54 The people bound for hell will be sorry for themselves, but will have nothing but utter hatred and murderous contempt in the light of a glorified Jesus. Remember, not only is the Holy Spirit no longer active in these people, but at this point there is nothing good left in them at all. Matthew 13:12

So while it is sometimes hard to understand what a person could do to actually deserve being sent to such a place, remember that right now we don't see the whole picture. 1 Corinthians 13:12 You are thinking of people as they are now, as you see them, rather than what they really are, and what they will become.
Until people realize that "hell" is the grave, they are not going to understand anything in the Bible.
 
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The wages of sin is death....and you have the gift of reading that.
Lucky you considering your payment due.

Death entered the world through Adam.

Jesus came to save man, not animals.

I mean the Scriptures of no time in heaven
 
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So while it is sometimes hard to understand what a person could do to actually deserve being sent to such a place, remember that right now we don't see the whole picture. 1 Corinthians 13:12 You are thinking of people as they are now, as you see them, rather than what they really are, and what they will become.

A very big part of the reason why modern Christians want to deny ECT (eternal conscious torment) arises out of our inability to see the extent of our own wickedness. If we could see our sin as God does, we would agree that it is deserving of the wrathful punishment God renders upon it. This, I think, is why we don't see the Rich Man in hell protesting his fate and clamoring to be released from his torment. He knew his sin deserved ECT. He knew God's justice to be right, to be proportionate to his sin.

We are so steeped in sin, so comfortable with it, and often so entirely blind to it, that we cannot fathom how our sin warrants eternal punishment. We love our sin. How, then, can God judge it so harshly? He must be over-reacting. The truth is, however, that we are terribly under-reacting to our sin.

There was a time when the holiness of God was better understood by believers. But the modern church has grown severely stunted in its understanding of God and the doctrines of the faith. And so, they have become susceptible to the false teachers who encourage them to take a twisted view of God's love that is divorced from His holiness and justice and tolerant of sin. And as they do, they drift farther and farther from the God they claim to know and worship.
 
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If time had passed, then you would be dead already.
The wages of sin is death, so your reading this shows that
time has not passed. Else you be dead.

But you can't write something like " as you see day approaching " if there is no time .
Hebrews 10:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
 
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I really doubt that God will not forgive or forget a person even in hell, didn't Christ saved the people at hell when He died before His resurrection , why not again and again. He asked forgiveness for the people that torture Him, murder Him and didn't bellieve Him as the Messiah.
 
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