Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

Eternally Grateful said:

The 69th week ended on the day jesus entered jerusalem on a donkey as prophesied, jesus died the next weekend.

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When did God announce the ministry of His Son as the Messiah?

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


When did Christ first command that the Gospel be taken to the house of Israel?

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

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Eternally Grateful said:

The 69th week ended on the day jesus entered jerusalem on a donkey as prophesied

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Where does scripture state the 69th week ended when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey?

Eternally Grateful said:

So again, what happened the final 7years

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Christ is cut off, confirming the new covenant, and ceasing the sacrifice.

claninja said:

Where does scripture state the 69th week ended when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey?



Christ is cut off, confirming the new covenant, and ceasing the sacrifice.

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26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

A71 said:

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off on a donkey, but not for himself: two thousand years then elapse and then the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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what problem solved? ahh, i saw that too late lol

claninja said:

Christ is cut off, confirming the new covenant, and ceasing the sacrifice.

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The question posed to you though was what happened in the final 7? Why didn't you include this part as well since it, too, happens during the final 7? and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


This says---even until the consummation---obviously meaning even until the end of the 70th week.

claninja said:

what problem solved? ahh, i saw that too late lol

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Yah, satire. I feel really bad messing with scripture , really uncomfortable, so I deleted it.

Encyclopedia britanica - Artaxerxes I, (died 425 BC, Susa, Elam [now in Iran]), Achaemenid king of Persia (reigned 465–425 BC).

Encyclopedia Iranica - ARTAXERXES I, a son of Xerxes I and Amestris, whose name Flavius Josephus (Jewish Antiquities 11.6.1.) gives as Cyrus, Persian king 465-64 to 424-23 B.C.

Jewish is encyclopedia - ARTAXERXES I.
King of Persia; ascended the throne in 465 B.C., and died in 425 B.C.

Wikepedia - Artaxerxes I /ˌɑːrtəˈzɜːrksiːz/, Old Persian: Artaxšaça,[2] "whose rule (xšaça < *xšaϑram) is through arta ("truth");[3] Aramaic: אַרְתַּחְשַׁ֥שְׂתְּא‎, translit. Artaḥšásta; Ancient Greek: Ἀρταξέρξης, translit. Artaxérxēs[4]) was the fifth emperor of the Achaemenid Empire, from 465-424 BCE.[5] He was the third son of Xerxes I.

As everyone can see, artexerxes 1 started his reign in 465 bc

According to scripture, the command to restore jerusalem was in 20th year of Artexerxes

Nehemiah 2:1–6 (NKJV): And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was before him, that I took the wine and gave it to the king. Now I had never been sad in his presence before. 2 Therefore the king said to me, “Why is your face sad, since you are not sick? This is nothing but sorrow of heart.”
So I became dreadfully afraid, 3 and said to the king, “May the king live forever! Why should my face not be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers’ tombs, lies waste, and its gates are burned with fire?”
4 Then the king said to me, “What do you request?”
So I prayed to the God of heaven. 5 And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it.”
6 Then the king said to me (the queen also sitting beside him), “How long will your journey be? And when will you return?” So it pleased the king to send me; and I set him a time.

So the 70 weeks starts 475 + 20years = 445 BC

69 weeks = 483 years covert to roman years = 476 years

The end of the 69 week is 32 Ad. Jesus dies most people believe 32 Ad,

Either waym if 69 week is 32 ad, the end of the 70th = 39ad

What happened in 7 years from 32to 39ad that fulfilled the 70 weeks

DavidPT said:

The question posed to you though was what happened in the final 7? Why didn't you include this part as well since it, too, happens during the final 7? and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


This says---even until the consummation---obviously meaning even until the end of the 70th week.

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See post #609

Eternally Grateful said:

Encyclopedia britanica - Artaxerxes I, (died 425 BC, Susa, Elam [now in Iran]), Achaemenid king of Persia (reigned 465–425 BC).

Encyclopedia Iranica - ARTAXERXES I, a son of Xerxes I and Amestris, whose name Flavius Josephus (Jewish Antiquities 11.6.1.) gives as Cyrus, Persian king 465-64 to 424-23 B.C.

Jewish is encyclopedia - ARTAXERXES I.
King of Persia; ascended the throne in 465 B.C., and died in 425 B.C.

Wikepedia - Artaxerxes I /ˌɑːrtəˈzɜːrksiːz/, Old Persian: Artaxšaça,[2] "whose rule (xšaça < *xšaϑram) is through arta ("truth");[3] Aramaic: אַרְתַּחְשַׁ֥שְׂתְּא‎, translit. Artaḥšásta; Ancient Greek: Ἀρταξέρξης, translit. Artaxérxēs[4]) was the fifth emperor of the Achaemenid Empire, from 465-424 BCE.[5] He was the third son of Xerxes I.

As everyone can see, artexerxes 1 started his reign in 465 bc

According to scripture, the command to restore jerusalem was in 20th year of Artexerxes

Nehemiah 2:1–6 (NKJV): And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was before him, that I took the wine and gave it to the king. Now I had never been sad in his presence before. 2 Therefore the king said to me, “Why is your face sad, since you are not sick? This is nothing but sorrow of heart.”
So I became dreadfully afraid, 3 and said to the king, “May the king live forever! Why should my face not be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers’ tombs, lies waste, and its gates are burned with fire?”
4 Then the king said to me, “What do you request?”
So I prayed to the God of heaven. 5 And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it.”
6 Then the king said to me (the queen also sitting beside him), “How long will your journey be? And when will you return?” So it pleased the king to send me; and I set him a time.

So the 70 weeks starts 475 + 20years = 445 BC

69 weeks = 483 years covert to roman years = 476 years

The end of the 69 week is 32 Ad. Jesus dies most people believe 32 Ad,

Either waym if 69 week is 32 ad, the end of the 70th = 39ad

What happened in 7 years from 32to 39ad that fulfilled the 70 weeks

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the command to restore was with cyrus

Isaiah 44:26-28
who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,
and he shall fulfill all my purpose’;
saying of Jerusalem, ‘She shall be built,’
and of the temple, ‘Your foundation shall be laid.’”

claninja said:

the command to restore was with cyrus

Isaiah 44:26-28
who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,
and he shall fulfill all my purpose’;
saying of Jerusalem, ‘She shall be built,’
and of the temple, ‘Your foundation shall be laid.’”

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From what I'm understanding......that was when the 50,000 Jewish exiles, empowered by Cyrus' decree, returned to Jerusalem (536 B.C), but there was opposition to their plan.

Quoting from this site: http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/457.html


And also this link for Babylonian and Persian dating ~ https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1988/04/establishing-the-date-457-b.c

claninja said:

the command to restore was with cyrus

Isaiah 44:26-28
who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,
and he shall fulfill all my purpose’;
saying of Jerusalem, ‘She shall be built,’
and of the temple, ‘Your foundation shall be laid.’”

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Cyrus never gave the command to restor jerusalem, as i showed, artexerxes gave the command to restor the city,

What does the word say

Ezra 5:13
However, in the first year of Cyrus king of Babylon, King Cyrus issued a decree tobuild this house of God

Ezra 5:17
Now therefore, if it seems good to the king, let a search be made in the king’s treasure house, which is there in Babylon, whether it is so that a decree was issued by King Cyrus to build this house of God at Jerusalem, and let the king send us his pleasure concerning this matter


Ezra 6:3
In the first year of King Cyrus, King Cyrus issued a decree concerning the house of God at Jerusalem: “Let the house be rebuilt, the place where they offered sacrifices; and let the foundations of it be firmly laid, its height sixty cubits and its width sixty cubits

As you can see, he did not give a command to restore jerusalem, and even if you think he did, the first year of his reign and command would still be ending bc,

Artexerxes only one that biblically fits.

mkgal1 said:

I believe it's been posted before, so just because you reject it doesn't mean it's not been shown (or that it's not true). IOW.....your opinion doesn't change the support or the reality.

Jesus died "in the midst [or middle, as some versions use] of the 70th week" as Scripture states....here:

Daniel 9:27 ~ And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

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There was no Covenant made by God, when Jesus was baptized. The 'he' of Daniel 9:27, obviously refers to the 'Prince' who destroys the city and the Temple, of verse 26. Or as I believe, will be a descendant of that man, the Roman Titus.
There is no scripture that gives us a date for the stoning of Stephen, you are purely speculating to make it 3 1/2 years after Jesus' death.

But what destroys your theory of the 70th 'week' being fulfilled in the 1st century, is the obvious fact that the 69th 'week' finishes at the Crucifixion. NOT 3 1/2 years before it.

Eternally Grateful said:

Cyrus never gave the command to restor jerusalem, as i showed, artexerxes gave the command to restor the city,

What does the word say

Ezra 5:13
However, in the first year of Cyrus king of Babylon, King Cyrus issued a decree tobuild this house of God

Ezra 5:17
Now therefore, if it seems good to the king, let a search be made in the king’s treasure house, which is there in Babylon, whether it is so that a decree was issued by King Cyrus to build this house of God at Jerusalem, and let the king send us his pleasure concerning this matter


Ezra 6:3
In the first year of King Cyrus, King Cyrus issued a decree concerning the house of God at Jerusalem: “Let the house be rebuilt, the place where they offered sacrifices; and let the foundations of it be firmly laid, its height sixty cubits and its width sixty cubits

As you can see, he did not give a command to restore jerusalem, and even if you think he did, the first year of his reign and command would still be ending bc,

Artexerxes only one that biblically fits.

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So isaiah is a false prophet? because he literally states that cyrus will say Jerusalem shall be built.

Isaiah 44:26-28
who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,
and he shall fulfill all my purpose’;
saying of Jerusalem, ‘She shall be built,’
and of the temple, ‘Your foundation shall be laid.’”

mkgal1 said:

From what I'm understanding......that was when the 50,000 Jewish exiles, empowered by Cyrus' decree, returned to Jerusalem (536 B.C), but there was opposition to their plan.

Quoting from this site: http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/457.html

Cyrus, in 536 B.C., allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem, but Cyrus died in 530 B.C., he was followed by Cambyses, who was followed by False Smerdis. Smerdis reigned only half a year, long enough for his soldiers to destroy a great many temples around the empire. It would seem that the earlier progress made of rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem was also ruined at this time, because, according to Haggai 2:18, in 520 BC the Israelites are again beginning work by laying the foundation of the temple. Very probably it was under Smerdis' rule that the Israelites gave up all hope of ever restoring their temple again. Haggai says, they stopped work believing "The time is not right", and he says that the temple was in "ruins".
In 522 B.C., Darius I, a fairminded ruler, goes about setting things straight again in the Persian empire. With his support and Haggai's encouragement, temple construction is resumed. From 520-515 B.C. the work went forward, and the temple was built.

Basically from 536-457 B.C. the Israelites were a struggling group of people with no real government, city or well defined country. They built themselves houses, and managed to build a temple. It wasn't until Artaxerxes came to the throne 464 B.C. that we actually see them rebuilding the city. It was during Artaxerxes reign that the adversaries appealed to legislation to stop Israel, for they were "building a rebellious and evil city".

Daniel 9: 25 reads "From the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem. . .the street shall be built again and the walls, even in troublous times"

So we see Ezra receiving his decree from Artaxerxes in 457 BC. (In the seventh year of Artaxerxes) The decree gives further help in establishing the temple, but it also gives Israel the right to self government. Up till 457 BC the leaders in Judea were no more than county commissioners. They could look after local problems but they did not have judicial or executive authority. Now they did! They could set up their own magistrates and judges to carry out their laws. Now they were recognized as a nation. This is why this decree is so important to the reestablishment of Jerusalem!

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And also this link for Babylonian and Persian dating ~ https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1988/04/establishing-the-date-457-b.c

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Is the ptolemy cannon accurate for dating history?

keras said:

Your picture cannot be correct.
There was no Covenant made by God, when Jesus was baptized.

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The Scripture states He "will confirm a covenant with many for one seven" (meaning it already existed). I believe that's the Abrahamic covenant (which is by faith and was an unconditional and everlasting covenant) and the seven year time frame was set aside for the Scripture to be preached to the Jews until it was then given to the Gentiles. The word "covenant" is related to the Messiah (not the AC). As Jesus said,

claninja said:

Where does scripture state the 69th week ended when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey?

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1.daniel is told messiah will be after 69weeks
2.the ot propet said messiah will be given or seen by jerusalem, entering on a donkey.

Christ is cut off, confirming the new covenant, and ceasing the sacrifice.

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Sacrifice continued for another 4 decades, so jesus did not put an end of sacrifice.

Jesus was cut off, cut down, killed,

keras said:

There is no scripture that gives us a date for the stoning of Stephen, you are purely speculation to make it 3 1/2 years after Jesus' death.

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The early church kept records.

keras said:

But what destroys your theory of the 70th 'week' being fulfilled in the 1st century, is the obvious fact that the 69th 'week' finishes at the Crucifixion. NOT 3 1/2 years before it.

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Obvious to you, maybe....but that doesn't make it accurate. This isn't MY theory.....it's been the belief of the church until around the late 18th century (as it has already shared).

Matthew Henry's commentary on Daniel 9, verses 20-27:


To deny the prophecy of Jesus' baptism in verse 24 and also deny the prophecy of His crucifixion in verse 27 is all a modern interpretation (or distortion of Scripture).

claninja said:

So isaiah is a false prophet? because he literally states the cyrus will say Jerusalem shall be built.

Isaiah 44:26-28
who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,
and he shall fulfill all my purpose’;
saying of Jerusalem, ‘She shall be built,’
and of the temple, ‘Your foundation shall be laid.’”

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You read nehimiah 2.did artaxerxes or did he not give the command to restor the city, if cyrus did it, why did artaxerses have to do it, why did nehimiah cry because his city still laid in ruins, and you still have the issue of time.

And i showed you the decree of cyrus, he gave the decree to rebuilt the temple, not the city,

Sorry but i must go by what the word says in who actually did it, by the decrees themselves,

Again, if cyrus did it, then the 70weeks ended before jesus was born, so sorry but huge issues there

claninja said:

Is the ptolemy cannon accurate for dating history?

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I'm not positive.....but most likely for Babylonian history it would be. This is all new to me.....but this is what makes the most sense (with the seven years beginning with Jesus being anointed at His baptism and His death "in the midst of the week") and seems to be the dating of the Orthodox church.

Regarding "confirming the covenant".....it seems this is mentioned in Galatians 3 and Romans 15:8: